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asugrl
Posts:700
 | | 09/05/2008 3:21 AM |
 Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 09/04/2008 11:49 AM Posted By Freya on 09/04/2008 11:36 AM I apologize in advance that I need to restate my post for those who blatantly misunderstood the original.  I was speaking in terms of everyday maintenance of a condition. I did not state any information about emergencies. In the case of a medical emergency, dial 911. Concerning everyday maintenance, sole dependance upon others to manage you sets you up for disaster, but at least it gives you someone to blame. Pissedparent, I'm glad that you are never, ever alone and do nothing by yourself. It must be wonderful to be surrounded by people 24/7.  If that is not the case, and you do find yourself alone at times, perhaps you should invest in a Medical Alert System since you have a much more severe form of asthma than I do (I have never been struck mute, lost mobility of my limbs, or been struck down as if I had an aneurism) and will be unable to dial for help. BTW, even if you cannot speak, if you dial 911 from a landline, they will send an officer out. Go ahead, call them & hang up if you don't believe me. See what happens! I am proactive and request help BEFORE I am completely incapacitated and unconcious. Only a moron would wait that long before requesting assistance. I am not a moron, therefore, I will never have to rely on you or anyone else to dial 911 for me for an asthma attack. I am not my brother's keeper, and I certainly don't need you to be mine. And just to make sure there is no confusion, here are some definitions for everyone: EMERGENCY - An unforseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action. PROACTIVE - Acting in anticipation of future problems, needs, or changes. MORON - A very stupid person.
KARMA - The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny
I hope it doesn't bite you in the ass.....
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 09/05/2008 9:30 AM |
Alert | Posted By asugrl on 09/05/2008 3:21 AM Posted By pissedparent on 09/04/2008 9:06 AM Posted By Freya on 09/03/2008 11:13 AM Amen...one of these days one of these "healthy humans" (who don't have an allergy to peanuts or another debilitating disease like asthma) will get sick enough that will cause the world to have to assimilate around them. Then they will know how it feels to have a special need...maybe then they will be more EMpathetic verses just PATHETIC.
Gee, pissedparent, I have the debilitating disease called ASTHMA and I would thank you not to play me like the victim you're trying to use for your example. I do not force the world to assimilate around me because I have intelligence, am able to adapt, and am "EMpathetic" to the majority of the population. If I had been raised to be a victim perhaps I would expect everyone else to kowtow to me. I went to a public school. I took gym class. I ran track. I always had at least one inhaler with me as well as pills. I pay attention to what I eat, what I touch, if I wash my hands. So these children do not have to be raised as victims who expect all the world to bow down to their minority simply because they are different.
So far as the children who are likely to die if they inhale peanut products or touch someone or something that has been in contact with peanut products, I do feel sorry for the fact that they will likely become shut-ins because they will be unable to work or venture out into the world for fear of meeting a person who has not been conditioned to avoid all peanut products when they are in the area. I understand children have a right to an education but education does not need to be provided by a public school. If their condition is really this severe, they have the right to an education in a safe environment where everything can be controlled - also known as the home. I have asthma as well that is why I said it, I live normal most of time, take my meds and use my inhaler when I need too. But I do expect if I need someone to call 911 for me while I'm gasping for air on the floor TO DO SO BECAUSE I CAN'T! It's called respect for another human being and watcing out for someone. Now please post your picture so when your are fighting for life I will make sure to walk on by as per YOUR INSTRUCTIONS...heartless ****. Wow, your logic is way off. Of course if a child is on the floor someone would help him. Hey, you know what would also help him? Taking him out of the classroom while other children enjoy their healthy lunch that contains PB. You know what? I think I am allergic to your brand of "logic." Can you please not use it anymore? If you don't adjust your life to fit my request, you are selfish. *wha wha wha*
At this point we were both talking about adults having asthma and trying to cope with it differently. That is why we use the quote boxes, so you can keep up...if you can't, don't follow the thread. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:839
| | 09/05/2008 9:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 09/05/2008 9:30 AM Posted By asugrl on 09/05/2008 3:21 AM Posted By pissedparent on 09/04/2008 9:06 AM Posted By Freya on 09/03/2008 11:13 AM Amen...one of these days one of these "healthy humans" (who don't have an allergy to peanuts or another debilitating disease like asthma) will get sick enough that will cause the world to have to assimilate around them. Then they will know how it feels to have a special need...maybe then they will be more EMpathetic verses just PATHETIC.
Gee, pissedparent, I have the debilitating disease called ASTHMA and I would thank you not to play me like the victim you're trying to use for your example. I do not force the world to assimilate around me because I have intelligence, am able to adapt, and am "EMpathetic" to the majority of the population. If I had been raised to be a victim perhaps I would expect everyone else to kowtow to me. I went to a public school. I took gym class. I ran track. I always had at least one inhaler with me as well as pills. I pay attention to what I eat, what I touch, if I wash my hands. So these children do not have to be raised as victims who expect all the world to bow down to their minority simply because they are different.
So far as the children who are likely to die if they inhale peanut products or touch someone or something that has been in contact with peanut products, I do feel sorry for the fact that they will likely become shut-ins because they will be unable to work or venture out into the world for fear of meeting a person who has not been conditioned to avoid all peanut products when they are in the area. I understand children have a right to an education but education does not need to be provided by a public school. If their condition is really this severe, they have the right to an education in a safe environment where everything can be controlled - also known as the home. I have asthma as well that is why I said it, I live normal most of time, take my meds and use my inhaler when I need too. But I do expect if I need someone to call 911 for me while I'm gasping for air on the floor TO DO SO BECAUSE I CAN'T! It's called respect for another human being and watcing out for someone. Now please post your picture so when your are fighting for life I will make sure to walk on by as per YOUR INSTRUCTIONS...heartless ****. Wow, your logic is way off. Of course if a child is on the floor someone would help him. Hey, you know what would also help him? Taking him out of the classroom while other children enjoy their healthy lunch that contains PB. You know what? I think I am allergic to your brand of "logic." Can you please not use it anymore? If you don't adjust your life to fit my request, you are selfish. *wha wha wha*
At this point we were both talking about adults having asthma and trying to cope with it differently. That is why we use the quote boxes, so you can keep up...if you can't, don't follow the thread. SMACKDOWN! | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | asugrl
Posts:700
| | 09/05/2008 12:03 PM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 09/05/2008 9:30 AM Posted By asugrl on 09/05/2008 3:21 AM Posted By pissedparent on 09/04/2008 9:06 AM Posted By Freya on 09/03/2008 11:13 AM Amen...one of these days one of these "healthy humans" (who don't have an allergy to peanuts or another debilitating disease like asthma) will get sick enough that will cause the world to have to assimilate around them. Then they will know how it feels to have a special need...maybe then they will be more EMpathetic verses just PATHETIC.
Gee, pissedparent, I have the debilitating disease called ASTHMA and I would thank you not to play me like the victim you're trying to use for your example. I do not force the world to assimilate around me because I have intelligence, am able to adapt, and am "EMpathetic" to the majority of the population. If I had been raised to be a victim perhaps I would expect everyone else to kowtow to me. I went to a public school. I took gym class. I ran track. I always had at least one inhaler with me as well as pills. I pay attention to what I eat, what I touch, if I wash my hands. So these children do not have to be raised as victims who expect all the world to bow down to their minority simply because they are different.
So far as the children who are likely to die if they inhale peanut products or touch someone or something that has been in contact with peanut products, I do feel sorry for the fact that they will likely become shut-ins because they will be unable to work or venture out into the world for fear of meeting a person who has not been conditioned to avoid all peanut products when they are in the area. I understand children have a right to an education but education does not need to be provided by a public school. If their condition is really this severe, they have the right to an education in a safe environment where everything can be controlled - also known as the home. I have asthma as well that is why I said it, I live normal most of time, take my meds and use my inhaler when I need too. But I do expect if I need someone to call 911 for me while I'm gasping for air on the floor TO DO SO BECAUSE I CAN'T! It's called respect for another human being and watcing out for someone. Now please post your picture so when your are fighting for life I will make sure to walk on by as per YOUR INSTRUCTIONS...heartless ****. Wow, your logic is way off. Of course if a child is on the floor someone would help him. Hey, you know what would also help him? Taking him out of the classroom while other children enjoy their healthy lunch that contains PB. You know what? I think I am allergic to your brand of "logic." Can you please not use it anymore? If you don't adjust your life to fit my request, you are selfish. *wha wha wha*
At this point we were both talking about adults having asthma and trying to cope with it differently. That is why we use the quote boxes, so you can keep up...if you can't, don't follow the thread. You are in a thread about peanut butter allergies...please leave the thread if you can't keep up. I only responded to what I got from your post. If that is not what you meant....learn to communicate clearly. Thanks!  | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:700
| | 09/05/2008 12:06 PM |
Alert | Posted By cholo bandito on 09/05/2008 9:34 AM Posted By pissedparent on 09/05/2008 9:30 AM Posted By asugrl on 09/05/2008 3:21 AM Posted By pissedparent on 09/04/2008 9:06 AM Posted By Freya on 09/03/2008 11:13 AM Amen...one of these days one of these "healthy humans" (who don't have an allergy to peanuts or another debilitating disease like asthma) will get sick enough that will cause the world to have to assimilate around them. Then they will know how it feels to have a special need...maybe then they will be more EMpathetic verses just PATHETIC.
Gee, pissedparent, I have the debilitating disease called ASTHMA and I would thank you not to play me like the victim you're trying to use for your example. I do not force the world to assimilate around me because I have intelligence, am able to adapt, and am "EMpathetic" to the majority of the population. If I had been raised to be a victim perhaps I would expect everyone else to kowtow to me. I went to a public school. I took gym class. I ran track. I always had at least one inhaler with me as well as pills. I pay attention to what I eat, what I touch, if I wash my hands. So these children do not have to be raised as victims who expect all the world to bow down to their minority simply because they are different.
So far as the children who are likely to die if they inhale peanut products or touch someone or something that has been in contact with peanut products, I do feel sorry for the fact that they will likely become shut-ins because they will be unable to work or venture out into the world for fear of meeting a person who has not been conditioned to avoid all peanut products when they are in the area. I understand children have a right to an education but education does not need to be provided by a public school. If their condition is really this severe, they have the right to an education in a safe environment where everything can be controlled - also known as the home. I have asthma as well that is why I said it, I live normal most of time, take my meds and use my inhaler when I need too. But I do expect if I need someone to call 911 for me while I'm gasping for air on the floor TO DO SO BECAUSE I CAN'T! It's called respect for another human being and watcing out for someone. Now please post your picture so when your are fighting for life I will make sure to walk on by as per YOUR INSTRUCTIONS...heartless ****. Wow, your logic is way off. Of course if a child is on the floor someone would help him. Hey, you know what would also help him? Taking him out of the classroom while other children enjoy their healthy lunch that contains PB. You know what? I think I am allergic to your brand of "logic." Can you please not use it anymore? If you don't adjust your life to fit my request, you are selfish. *wha wha wha*
At this point we were both talking about adults having asthma and trying to cope with it differently. That is why we use the quote boxes, so you can keep up...if you can't, don't follow the thread. SMACKDOWN!
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 09/05/2008 12:10 PM |
Alert | | The cats are funnier...I think it's time to lay this whole thread to rest, nothing more can be gained on either side. | | | |
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|  | LivinLaVidaCopa
Posts:21
| | 09/05/2008 12:14 PM |
Alert | Who would have thought that a thread on Nuts could make everyone go Nuckin Futs??
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| | Freya
Posts:52
| | 09/05/2008 12:19 PM |
Alert | Thanks asugrl, I feel better knowing that someone was following the point of my posts!  Since my rant is done, I have another question for the OP: You said the teacher "sent home" letters. Did your friend say if they had gone home with the kids or were they sent out by the administration or teacher by mail? Did the parents have to respond to show receipt of the letter? Noahandannalise, did your letter come directly from the school or did your child bring it home? I'm also guessing these are elementary age children, because the OP doesn't really clarify that. My point is this: if the parents did not have to respond to prove receipt of the letter, then that one parent may not have "disregarded" the letter. I remember when I was in school, not everything that was sent home with us made it to our parents and I don't think kids have changed that much. | | | |
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| | noahandannalise
Posts:21
| | 09/05/2008 12:34 PM |
Alert | | Freya- the letter I received came from the health office, but was sent home with my son. Now he is only in first grade, and has his folder which is sent home every night with his reading log that should be filled out nightly by the parents and returned to school the next day, so it is something that most parents will see on a daily basis. There was no sign and return on it, it was more of a cautionary note to let the parents be aware of an allergy. | |
Life's journey should NOT be to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, merlot in the other, screaming "WOO HOO! WHAT A RIDE!!" | |
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| | 60milecommute
Posts:44
| | 09/06/2008 7:37 PM |
Alert | We're not even sure where to start; as this subject goes very far including allergies and yes, vaccinations. In the 70's, 80's, and 90's ,we seemed to go through grade school, high school, and even college without "stupid" rules requiring only certain types of food we were allowed to eat. I'm sure there were allergies to food back then and the parents dealt with them by not making lunches with those ingredients their child was allergic to.
We're so tired of bowing down to the minority. Where are my rights at? My child has a right to eat peanut butter and jelly at his school? Especially when 99.9% of his classmates are not allergic to peanut butter and are allowed to eat it. We have never understood why society currently bows down to less than 1% of the population when this never happend 10-20 years ago and it appears all kids survived. Why is is that every parent thinks they and their child are so special that the rest of the world should react to them? If you want that, hire your own personal teacher for home schooling.
And on the subject of vaccination; I so hope to god your unvaccinated child does not occupy the same air as my child (who is just perfect in every way even with vaccinations to protect his health against diseases that should never happen again in the world); as I do not believe it is your right to not vaccinate your child and let them be present in a classroom with my child who is fully vaccinated. As some vaccinates don't totally protect; am I allowed to sue you when your child passes measles, mumps, tetanus, whooping chough, to my child? I so hope so : ) | | | |
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| | 60milecommute
Posts:44
| | 09/06/2008 7:51 PM |
Alert | Yeh, you should just really shut up and get over yourself. We don't want to eat soy butter so don't try to shove it on us; we can't help you can't have peanut butter in your house so you should't be punishing everyone else with this crap. Only you; 1 person should be "inconvenienced" by your plight as there another 45,0000 of us that aren't subject to your "family" peanut allergy. Note: Our child would never opt for bologna; it is gross; is that what you feed your child to "avoid" the peanut allergen. That is really gross; do you fry it too? GROSS, GROSS, GROSS. Hope you make sure they don't slice the bologna on saws that might have peanut dust on them. PB&J ALL THE WAY FOLKS........................................ | | | |
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| | GuyPinestra
Posts:598
| | 09/06/2008 8:34 PM |
Alert | After reading the 6 pages of this thread I thought I'd throw a little gasoline on the fire. If your child is 'deathly allergic' to peanut proteins it is YOUR responsibility to take care of him/her. It is NOT the responsibility of the school, other parents OR their children to look out for your child's welfare, it is YOURS. I seldom agree with AzSandSlinger but in this instance I agree completely. How can you expect over 99% of the population to alter THEIR diet based on YOUR child's problems? It doesn't 'take a village', it takes PERSONAL responsibility. GROW UP, for God's sakes!!! | |
"The seeds of self-destruction are sown in the shallowness of your mind." | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:611
| | 09/06/2008 9:01 PM |
Alert | Gaaa!
The schools here have enough issues with getting kids on the right bus.
Do you really want to entrust them with what a child eats?
Regardless of right or wrong, I would NEVER allow my child to have decisions like that made without my being there.
Heck, Butterfield can’t even call my cell phone these days because it is a long distance number.
If my son went into a seizure for an allergy, I would never hear about it.
Don’t poo poo this statement. I went through this last week.
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:839
| | 09/07/2008 7:24 AM |
Alert | Posted By mallardisme on 09/06/2008 9:01 PM
Gaaa!
The schools here have enough issues with getting kids on the right bus.
Do you really want to entrust them with what a child eats?
Regardless of right or wrong, I would NEVER allow my child to have decisions like that made without my being there.
Heck, Butterfield can’t even call my cell phone these days because it is a long distance number.
If my son went into a seizure for an allergy, I would never hear about it.
Don’t poo poo this statement. I went through this last week.
Sounds like you need a local cell phone number.
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I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | justcurious
Posts:82
| | 09/07/2008 7:36 AM |
Alert | | Butterfield not being able to call your cell phone because it is long distance is a crock! Are you telling me that not even one teacher or administrator at that school does not carry a cell phone with 'free' long distance service? How about calling the district office and letting them know there is a situation and give them the information so the call can be made to you. Sounds like they either don't care or are really poor in problem solving skills. Were you ever even told that a long distance cell number was unacceptable as contact information? | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:839
| | 09/07/2008 7:41 AM |
Alert | Posted By justcurious on 09/07/2008 7:36 AM
Butterfield not being able to call your cell phone because it is long distance is a crock! Are you telling me that not even one teacher or administrator at that school does not carry a cell phone with 'free' long distance service? How about calling the district office and letting them know there is a situation and give them the information so the call can be made to you. Sounds like they either don't care or are really poor in problem solving skills. Were you ever even told that a long distance cell number was unacceptable as contact information?
As stated previously, the school can NOT be all things to all people. You should have a local contact number, so that the school can reach you in an emergency. It is not the school's responsibility to cater to a few parents who have a long distance contact number. If your child's safety is important to you, then you would get a local contact number.
I fond it interesting that the people who won't make accomodations for others, ask for accomadations to be made for themselves (mallardisme). | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | justcurious
Posts:82
| | 09/07/2008 8:38 AM |
Alert | | It's not called catering...it's called being the responsible party in temporary custody (during the school day) of a minor in your care!!! And where is a parent told on the emergency form that the number has to be a local number? In this day of technology many people don't even have land lines anymore and with the cell phone technolgy long distance is free for most people. Even back in the 1980's MUSD had a WATTS line at the district office. Check and see if the administrators at each school are on radio or cells, you'll find that they are, provided by the district. What about contacting the other people listed on the emergency form? Again, they just don't care OR are very poor problem solvers!!! | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:839
| | 09/07/2008 8:46 AM |
Alert | Posted By justcurious on 09/07/2008 8:38 AM
It's not called catering...it's called being the responsible party in temporary custody (during the school day) of a minor in your care!!! And where is a parent told on the emergency form that the number has to be a local number? In this day of technology many people don't even have land lines anymore and with the cell phone technolgy long distance is free for most people. Even back in the 1980's MUSD had a WATTS line at the district office. Check and see if the administrators at each school are on radio or cells, you'll find that they are, provided by the district. What about contacting the other people listed on the emergency form? Again, they just don't care OR are very poor problem solvers!!! Responsible, like when they ban peanut butter because it could kill a kid? Oh, I forgot, that's different, because it incoveniences parents with kids that aren't allergic. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:1024
| | 09/07/2008 9:55 AM |
Alert | Considering that metro Phoenix is a long distance call and the number of parents who work in the valley - the ability to call outside of the 520 area code is not frivolous but a necessity. Some companies restrict long distance usage by issuing an access code. Administrators would be able to access records to see if unneeded calls are being made. The excuse the system isn't 100% setup yet is just that - an excuse. Either set it up properly or use a cell phone to contact the parents.
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:839
| | 09/07/2008 10:07 AM |
Alert | The school is in the 520 area code. Why should they accomodate a few disgruntled parents who don't have the foresight to have a local contact number? While most cell phones have free long distance, they still have to use minutes to call. That's not an expense the school should have to burden. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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