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socrlvr
Posts:85
 | | 10/18/2007 5:04 PM |
 Alert | | I was wondering if/what/how??? Maricopa sports teams seem to think that our fields are for their use. I am done arguing with that because I was told that Mr. Fulton ok'd that a while back. My biggest concern is that they park on both sides of Struebing Drive. Either a child is going to get hit by a car and or one day we will need emergency vehicles to get through to a house on Adobe and they will not be able to. Is there a way we can get one of the curbs painted as a fire lane??? Anyone know or have suggestions who to contact??? | | | |
| | prnces
Posts:64
| | 10/18/2007 6:40 PM |
Alert | | Not sure about the fire lane question, but Maricopa Parks and Rec is using lots of fields... not just Cobblestone. With a growing community and only 1 park they need other places to practice. Especially, right now when they have over seeded the grass at Pacana. After October, I am pretty sure they are moving all practices back to Pacana. | | | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:328
| | 10/19/2007 12:10 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By socrlvr on 10/18/2007 5:04 PM
I was wondering if/what/how??? Maricopa sports teams seem to think that our fields are for their use. I am done arguing with that because I was told that Mr. Fulton ok'd that a while back. My biggest concern is that they park on both sides of Struebing Drive. Either a child is going to get hit by a car and or one day we will need emergency vehicles to get through to a house on Adobe and they will not be able to. Is there a way we can get one of the curbs painted as a fire lane??? Anyone know or have suggestions who to contact??? </div>
I have been asking this question for 2 years and no one in the management/HOA has a direct answer for even why they are playinf here. If they were allowed to because of a prior agreement, then we, as the homeowners MUST be given the circumstances to the agreement. I don't think anyone has a problem with them using the field, but I feel like you do, that this is a MAJOR safety issue and needs to be addressed. | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1594
| | 10/19/2007 8:50 AM |
Alert | a few soccer seasons back (fall 06 I wanna say) our entire team consisted of CF kids, and we were not allowed to practice on CF fields. Why? The HOA forbid it.
Did something change? | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/19/2007 9:17 AM |
Alert | Okay--sorry had to post an answer.....
This was discussed at several of the HOA Board meetings.
R&L (management company) stated that when people actually bother to call and ask if it's okay to bring their leagues to our parks to practice they say NO.
It's not a city park....those are not city ramadas.
The design of our community was NOT to handle that type of congestion for schools or city leagues, etc. Additionally, there is too much of a liability concern.
We don't authorize or rent out any of our grounds to city leagues, church organizations, etc etc.
The leagues should be setting up their practices at city park or other PUBLIC facilities. We are an association....and those amenities are for people of the association---not for organized religious activities, organized school or city leagues, etc.
The streets of Cobblestone Farms are managed by the City of Maricopa.
If leagues are coming on site and causing parking and congestion then the City should be notified. City of Maricopa actually attended the board meeting on September 18th and spoke to this. They also watch the streets to make sure that the people who are parking on the streets are parking their cars/trucks facing the correct direction.
If you are a homeowner and want to use the ramadas for a family get together or a birthday party...that's fine. Just clean up after yourself.
If you want to take your kids down and kick a soccer ball....go for it....just don't bring the entire league that your kid is on and set up practice. It's not allowed.
My child is on a league through Phoenix Parks and Recs. We practice at a local elementary school. In order to practice there we had to talk to the principal of the school and fill out paperwork that was submitted and signed off by the Kyrene School District allowing us the right to be on the basketball court.
Hope this information helps.
Kimberly
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:328
| | 10/19/2007 10:49 AM |
Alert | So then, what can we do about the practices/games that are going on here presently? I'm sure no one wants to walk up to them while they are out there and kick them out, but I for one don't think they should be here at all...why hasn't the management company called whomever is in charge of the leagues (I assume that would be Maricopa Parks & Recreation) and tell them they can't use our parks?
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|  | Jerseygirl
Posts:328
| | 10/19/2007 10:51 AM |
Alert | | BTW..they are usually out there on Friday nights somewhere between 5-7. | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/19/2007 11:53 AM |
Alert | I called Brent Billingsly and told him about our dilemma. I didn't have the times when people are out there. I will call him back and ask him to patrol for the car violators during the times you mentioned...that will be one deterrant (spelling).
I will also call the City of Maricopa and get information on our parks and recs leagues.
I will ask them to let their leagues know that Cobblestone Farms property isn't to be used for league practices or league games.
Hope this will help.
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/19/2007 12:14 PM |
Alert | Okay here's what I have done.
I have called the City of Maricopa and left messages for the following people:
Brent Billingsly --Director of Transportation and told him about the activities that are occuring on Fridays between 5-7.
Marty McDonald -- Maricopa Parks and Recs and asked him to communicate to all leagues NOT to use Cobblestone Farms property for league practices or league games.
Paul Jetson -- Management Assistant II and asked him to communicate to local schools NOT to use Cobblestone Farms property for any school related practices or games.
Brian Duncan -- Code Compliance-- asked him to check into the fact that we have Private Property signs up and No Parking signs.
I think I have covered all bases.
Hope this helps...
Kimberly | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1594
| | 10/19/2007 1:11 PM |
Alert | Kimberly- do you sleep? you work very hard, and I appreciate it!  | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/19/2007 3:22 PM |
Alert | ha
I just multi-task.
The Hoa thing is totally volunteer...I try to keep up on the forum in between actually working a job that pays me.
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Thank goodness for the internet and the ability to type 100+ wpm.
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| | socrlvr
Posts:85
| | 10/19/2007 10:50 PM |
Alert | | Thank you Kimberly for all of your hard work. It is nice to know someone from the community is on our side. | | | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/22/2007 3:33 PM |
Alert | Hey JerseyGirl....and all others that care to read......
Care to tell the folks about our Friday night???? hahhahahahaha Please limit it to just the 40 minute phone call from Marty McDonald????
N-I-C-E. Glad you and your husband were there to help me get through that one.
And thanks for the ride home....after the call I got I really needed those shots!
ha!
Oh, I should also add that as a DIRECTOR of the City of Maricopa Parks and Recs and Libraries he should know better than to GIVE OUT MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER to the members of Cobblestone Farms and others who are now calling him to complain.
Apparently he notified all of the coaches, etc TODAY based on the phone call on Friday night in which I explained that PUBLIC USE of our facilities is not allowed.
So, the nice gentleman started giving my cell phone number out.
Shame on you Marty.....
The one gentleman that called me SO FAR told me that Marty gave him my number!!!!!!!!
N-I-C-E.
Thanks Marty.
I called Marty and left him a vm indicating to please stop distributing my personal cell number and if residents have questions to tell them to contact the management company.
I mean, come on Marty, it's not YOUR PARK...you don't have squatters rights.... don't take out YOUR ISSUE of being the Director of leagues and not having anywhere in Maricopa to practice on me.
Isn't it also a CITY ISSUE to build parks for the community using TAX PAYER MONIES????
Sorry but our parks have nets that get destroyed from ?????? Guess who pays? Residents of Cobblestone Farms.
Our parks are nice and big and wonderful but our residents and their families can't enjoy them if there is league practice going on or league games.
Our parking lot by the lake cannot handle all the leagues....so guess what they do? Park on the roundabouts and down neighboring streets BLOCKING THE STREETS DOWN TO ONE LANE.
Doesn't that sound safe for the kiddies? Kids dart in between cars.....into traffic.
Homeowners cannot safely get to and from their houses.
I guess I'm the bad "guy" here because I am the one putting a stop to this.
Simply put, we are not a PUBLIC FACILITY.
We do not support public leagues, organized sports from the schools, movie nights for neighboring churches, mom's clubs, etc. Sorry....we don't.
An official letter is being drafted by the management company. Marty doesn't have to like my word(s) or those of the management company, but simply put as the Director his job is to communicate to the leagues what the rules are.
He told me he had a verbal okie dokie in 2006 from someone at Fulton Homes.....Don Webb????? Well if that is true, then shame on that person for creating this issue. But I don't have the full story on their verbal agreement. For all I know, Don Webb told him he would allow it but only until the HOA Board members were voted in???? Perhaps this Don Webb person also told Marty to contact the management company and make sure that their little agreement was still on the up and up for 2007. Beats me. I don't even know a Don Webb nor do I know Marty. I was simply given his name as the person to contact to stop the leagues from holding practice on our private property.
But as the Director wouldn't you be on top of this "VERBAL" from Don Webb???? and do some follow up with the management company of Cobblestone Farms to make sure it was still on the up and up?
I am so done with being on the board.
BTW, I'll stay on the social committee....but I am not running again for the board.
Nope not going to do it. I'd turn into an alcoholic.
Wait....JERSEYGIRL...don't say a word.
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1594
| | 10/22/2007 4:22 PM |
Alert | Shame on Marty!
As far as I know, Marty is the one who told our coach Fall 06 that our team COULDN'T use the CF fields. Did he decide he didn't want to follow the rules?
Shame on him.
Kimberly, I hate to say it, but you HAVE to be on the board. Nobody else will keep us informed. | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:328
| | 10/22/2007 11:44 PM |
Alert | LMFAO!...Kimberly, you sooo deserved the shots...and so did I for having to listen to the hour (if not longer) conversation between you and Marty.....And by the way, anyone fom Cobblestone want to enter the "Holiday Homes on Parade?"..Well, you better not get your hopes up.....(I'm just sayin')...!(inserts winking smiley face here).
I just can't believe it's more important to have a place to play sports, than a SAFE place to play. There is not nearly enough parking to accomodate every car, and with the parking lot situated off a curved, narrow, very short street, it becomes a hazard in so many ways. Mary didn't seem to care at all about the safety!
And Kim....berly...(lol)...let me know if you get anymore phone calls like that, I could use another reason for a night out....maybe after Tuesday nights meeting, we can have a Toasty Tuesday in front of my house....I've got a bottle of '1800 looking to come out! (Inserts upside down smiley face here). | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:504
| | 10/23/2007 7:21 AM |
Alert | I don't live in Cobblestone Farms. But, I respect the rules there. I am a soccer coach. I haven't practiced there this season, but I have practiced there before.
My observation is the park, especially the soccer field, is rarely used outside of the activities related to this post. I ensured my teams took care of the nets. There were only to be used for soccer balls being kicked. I can say the soccer teams weren't the only ones to use the nets. There were SOFTBALL/BASEBALL teams that would use the nets as a backstop. I can't say what,if any, damage occurred and from what source.
The families would take the siblings to the park to play and some would play basketball. I thought it made good use of the park since I believe it was designed for playing and to promote community welfare and a standard of living that would appeal to homeowners and would be homeowners.
I had a number of players that were on the teams that lived in Cobblestone. The general response of parents was they were GLAD that practice was there, near home. Children who lived within walking distance would walk or even ride bikes.
I understand the safety issue regarding parking. The parking lot IS too small. But, they would be the case if only Cobblestone Farm familes and guests decided to drive to the lake area for any event. The danger would still be the same. People would park in the street no matter what. But, like I said before in this post, the park is rarely used anyway so the safety concern is none issue. Atleast, UNTIL the park is used more. Then the real issue would need to be addressed(The limited parking).
But, in the meantime, looks like you WON. But, was it really a victory for the families/children? The HOA goal is to promote its community's well being. The goal of the city is to promote its community's well being. It's too bad that with the same goal in mind that an agreement couldn't be found that satisfied all involved. Afterall, the Cobblestone Farms residents live in the City of Maricopa. Maybe, just maybe, something could have been worked out to address the true issue(limited parking). Assuming,of course, that was the true issue.
Final note: The PRL has a committee that is for the purpose of residents to be involved and give feedback to the director directly. Residents of CF could be involved with CF and the PRL to HELP the interests of all involved and bring the community together. But, it seems the outcome, as posted throughout the thread,was out of negative emotions instead of positive ones. | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:328
| | 10/23/2007 7:44 AM |
Alert | | You are only seeing what is being posted here, which came from a concerned resident. What you didn't see was the numerous discussions about this and what we as homeowners want to do about it. No one from the PRL has brought anything to the homeowners through ANY communication whatsoever! The committee you speek of is not doing their job, I guess. And even after we discussed the issue of safety with PRL, it didn't seem to be a concern of their's either. What you don't see is that WE have kids too, and want them to be safe and be able to use all the amenities that WE pay for and WE have to fix and can't when there are games and practices going on there. It is a matter of rules, not a matter of how it can be worked out. There is a liability issue that cannot be put aside. | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
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| | 10/23/2007 10:45 AM |
Alert | It's hard to be a parent and enforce rules, isn't it? It's hard to sometimes have to say NO.
But how ironic would it be if we caved on this issue and opened up our green belt areas ONLY to turn around and say NO to other amenities that we have?
It's confusing enough for people outside of CF to understand that our PRIVATE PROPERTY is for the use of CF residents only.....
It's sad that the City of Maricopa planned inappropriately for the kids in the area. It's sad that sports leagues were created WITHOUT proper consideration of where they can legally practice. It's sad that there seemingly was NO consideration for the children of Maricopa.
It is very sad.
Why can't the coaches or leagues check with the schools and get permission to practice there?
Public schools are paid for by the tax payers....that should be an option for the leagues.
And you are right....it wasn't just soccer practice.
That's why when I spoke to Marty I was used very generic terms such as: No League Practice nor League Games are to be held on CF Private Property.
I didn't specify a sport.
I feel badly that other communities don't have pools. I love having one. But that doesn't mean that I would just throw open our gate and let them in....do you know what I mean?
I feel badly that other kids don't have access to a Splash Pad or a basketball court. But when our splash pad has the electrical wiring ripped out of it and it is down for weeks--months to get parts replaced at a cost of $500.....I don't feel so sad anymore saying NO.
When our basketball hoops are rendered useless for weeks/month because they are getting bent and the new hoop is on back order (costing us about $200/hoop)...I don't feel sad saying NO.
When we have to close the pool because of feces.....and additional chemicals have to be added and we have to call out the pool company on what would otherwise be a day off for them....it costs $$$$. I don't feel sad saying NO.
I have NO PROBLEM not being on the board next year. Others can deal with the mess. You try making ~900 homeowners happy. You try getting them to meetings.....You try being the "bad guy" and saying NO to the kiddies.
Maybe Mr Fulton can build a PUBLIC PARK near his new mansion down the street <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> Isn't he building a new subdivision in Maricopa??? Isn't he going to live at this new property???
Perhaps I can also request that he build a PUBLIC POOL, PUBLIC RAMADAS, PUBLIC SPLASH PARD, PUBLIC PICNIC AREAS, and PUBLIC PLAY AREAS (COVERED OF COURSE)....I'm sure HE can afford to maintain it and can coordinate this with the City of Maricopa! <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'>
And just so you know....the HOA dues are going up.
The cost of all the vandalism we have had this year + the increased police patrol, etc. comes with a price.
Negative emotions???? Interesting. The rules weren't derived based on emotions--nor do I make up the rules as I go. They were in place via Fulton Homes and then transferred over to the HOA Board. They are in place based on liability issues, parking issues, safety issues, and OUR Homeowners. They are in place to protect our investments. People don't like getting the violation letters for weeds.....but the people living next to the homes where the weeds are don't like looking at them either. Try selling your home if the guy across the street looks like he is selling used cars from his driveway.
The emotional part came when I found out Marty was giving out my personal cell phone. I guess he thought that was public domain too!!!!! <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'>
Anyway.....I've said it before and I'll say it again....start looking for other members in the community to STEP UP and run for the board....you won't find my name on it.
I welcome ALL of you to run for the board....it's fun and ever challenging with lots of opportunities to make change and grow this community. People are cordial, respectul, and appreciative. The reward of volunteering is given back 100x over by all the smiles and accolades. The community involvement is overwhelming. The management company is a pleasure to work with.
If I sound facetious it's because I am.
Now who moved my cheese again?
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| | BSpearsBdyGuard
Posts:128
| | 10/23/2007 11:19 AM |
Alert | | I live in Cobblestone and thought it was going to be great to ride my bike along with my daughter on her bike to soccer practice. Now we can't. I thought it was nice to practice close to home, to use a facility that doesn't receive near the amount of use that's been projected here. Guess we can't. Our coach, who lives in Cobblestone, stated to me that 2/3's of the team resides here. Now we have to drive somewhere else for practice? Thanks! And I would strongly encourage you to stop referring to shots and drinking in your posts because it paints a picture of you that you might not want painted. Then again, maybe you do. | | | |
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| | YZRacer
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| | 10/23/2007 11:43 AM |
Alert | Obviously, I live in CF. And yes it would be nice if my kids soccer team could practice here, BUT I totally understand why we can't. My kids are on a CITY league, not a CF league. The city needs to have available plenty of places for their leagues to practice, without violating what is private property. Sure, I'd prefer to walk to the park for practices, but we get in the car and drive to Pima Butte to practice once a week.
Kimberly is right. If we say our fields are open for use, that opens the door for more violaters at the pool/splashpad/etc. We have rules, and others must follow them. I would never expect to walk into another communites ammenites and expect to be able to use them. Is the Pool in the Villages open to organized leagues from outisde the villages? I doubt it! | |
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