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dfl
Posts:115

 | | 04/22/2008 9:11 PM |
Alert | I just read that MM had a clean up this pass sat., I was wondering if that was something people here would participate in? I know, I know clean what and clean why but I figured that Senita is smaller than MM and definetly looks worst than MM that we could organize this. By the way they had the help of H&N (which live in this community). And yes I heard that their HOA is broke that's why they did this but do we have to wait till then? Any thoughts, pros and cons please. | | | |
| | Tio Junior
Posts:172


 | | 04/22/2008 9:50 PM |
Alert | Maricopa Meadows had the help of H&N because Maricopa Meadows employs H&N as their primary landscaper. Senita doesn't employ H&N. If Senita employed H&N, then we could probably ask for their help. H&N was very giving by offering their services for free. Our HOA is going to clean up 66 houses in the next 2-3 weeks. I drove through the neighborhood today and we need about 300 front yards cleaned. It is truly unbelievable the condition these homeowners / renters will allow their front yards to look like. These people should move back to apartments where they don't have to take care of a front yard. I want to knock on all of their doors and ask them how lazy they are and do they have any pride in where they live? The answer would obviously be "very lazy" and "none."
I already started a thread on here hypothetically asking home owners in Senita if they would step up and clean the neighborhood. Most people would rather see the HOA pay for all weed infested properties to be cleaned by the HOA. I don't blame them. Well most peple don't realize the HOA would go broke doing that, so it's not a long term answer. I already maintain my bank owned neighbor's house and mine. I am going to be taking care of another neighbor too in the next couple weeks because he moved out to do a short sale. His weeds will be waist high in about a month, so I better stock up on the weed killer and buy myself some new leather gloves to pick tumbleweeds.
I think there should be an amendment to the CC&R's that EVERY house in Senita needs to get sprayed for weeds (pre-emergent) twice a year and it is paid in your HOA dues. Obviously then the HOA would pay a company to spray every home site in this neighborhood twice a year and that would keep the weeds down everywhere. If the HOA raised my $62/mo bill to $67/mo to maintain a weed free community, I would do it in a heart beat. Would anyone else be okay with a $5/mo increase in HOA to have your home and every other home in the neighborhood sprayed for weeds? Of course this is a hypothetical estimate, but you get the point. | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 04/22/2008 9:53 PM |
Alert | The main reason not to, is because the HOA voted on Monday to direct H&N Landscaping to clean up the 66 yards that continue to be in violation. They were instructed to do so as soon as possible. Tim and Aaron were made aware of the job request late Monday, and I'm assuming they will be on it ASAP. Let's see how things look after that. 
-Graham | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1473


 | | 04/23/2008 6:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By ForensicUnit on 04/22/2008 9:53 PM
The main reason not to, is because the HOA voted on Monday to direct H&N Landscaping to clean up the 66 yards that continue to be in violation. They were instructed to do so as soon as possible. Tim and Aaron were made aware of the job request late Monday, and I'm assuming they will be on it ASAP. Let's see how things look after that. 
-Graham
There was an HOA meeting? Did we bid this job out? Was our current landscaper fired? Was this organized by Kriss? Info please. 
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 04/23/2008 12:13 PM |
Alert | There was not an HOA meeting. All HOA meetings must be publicly announced. The next two dates are on the newsletter.
We did not bid this job out in the traditional sense. Here's why. At the April meeting, we announced that we would be sending out final notices about the weeds, and cleaning the yards 2 weeks later. If we wanted to take bids for this, we would need to review and discuss the bids. That would be the May meeting. Then we would need to get back together to vote on the bids. That would be the June meeting. I'm not waiting that long.
The problem is this. In Arizona, it is unlawfull for "the majority" (3) of the Board to meeting and discuss Board items outside of a public forum. That means that when somone proposess an idea, the 5 of us have to talk, chat, and roundtable that idea at a public meeting. This is something we werent made aware of, prior to the last meeting. I personally, was under the assumption that 2 weeks after the meeting, the 5 of us could meet and toss ideas off of each other, get opinions, and discuss issues. Then we could just vote at the public meeting. But no, of course it's not that easy! We have to hold public meetings so people can listen to us debate things. Personally, I'm gonna feel silly having a roundtable meeting with an audience, but I'll power through it.
The other option is email. But email conversations with 5 people are hard. Not everyone reads and responds every day. So you have fragmented conversations, that jump around. It's difficult. Additionally, in email, ALL votes must be unanymous. One decenter, and you have to wait for the public meeting.
Usually, the cleeanup is done by our landscaper, Foleyge Landscaping. We would direct him which yards to clean. However, the Board can hire whomever they want as a vendor. The Board member have been in discussion with H&N Landscpaing regarding a few different items. One of them was cleaning "abandoned" yards. They offered us what I would consider more service at a better price. For instance, they will spray preemergant so they wont have to be back in 3 weeks. The Board decided to use them for these 66 homes to see the quality of their work.
The current landscaper was not fired. Foleyge Landscape is our current landscaper. However, some of the Board members have some serious concerns about continuing to their services.
This was absolutely not organized by Kriss. This was a decision initiated and followed through by the board.
-Graham | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1473


 | | 04/23/2008 12:51 PM |
Alert | Thanks Graham. I was just concerned about any binding contracts that might be in effect. I didn't consider that this is a non-standard project. And I agree that we should use LOCAL vendors as much as possible. Look forward to seeing the results. Maybe post some before and after pictures of the worst houses? Kind of like a "Hall of Shame". Of course you would blur out any identifying house numbers and such.  | | | |
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| | NateK1975
Posts:102


 | | 04/23/2008 12:57 PM |
Alert | | I just got tired of looking at the weeds by the mailboxes across the street from us on IBIS in Senita III. I went out and pulled them. I also pulled the weeds in a vacant house down the street. Just need to do something to keep it looking good. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:737


 | | 04/23/2008 2:46 PM |
Alert | This is awesome that H&N are doing the clean ups. I agree that keeping the vendors as local as possilble is great. Also great that H&N are putting down pre-emergent so we don't have the contining process.
Also, great job on the board getting together and effecting this decision indepently from Kriss! | | Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | reagdog
Posts:98

 | | 04/23/2008 5:37 PM |
Alert | H&N is going to start doing the clean ups tomorrow and hopes to finish all 66 weed infested homes by next Friday. I think all 66 of them are by me, so I think the rest of you are out of luck!!! Just kidding, but I look forward to a cleaner neighborhood in the next week and a half. H&N is going to be posting before and after pictures on their website under the "maintenance / before & after" tab on the left side of their website. They will start updating their pictures tomorrow afternoon. The website is www.hnlandscape.com
Let the de-weeding begin!!! | | | |
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| | WHAT?
Posts:50

 | | 04/23/2008 8:47 PM |
Alert | Take a look at the common areas in the Meadows. Senita looks alot better. Why risk paying them to clean up 66 properties to "see the quality of their work" Why not give them a few jobs to start with. | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 04/23/2008 10:47 PM |
Alert | Dear What.
The common areas in the Meadows do look rediculous. I completely agree. Do you know why that is? It's because they couldn't afford to pay for overseeding. Which, by the way runs near $45,000. You know why they didn't overseed? Because they are running out of money. That's why they had a community cleanup rather than pay a landscaper.
We are taking proactive steps to ensure that we don't run out of money. The first step WE took to save YOU money, is hire H&N to do the yard cleanups. They charged $100 less per yard, and are spraying pre-emergant for FREE.
We did get an offer from our current landscaper to do the job. However, as I mention before, there are concerns with out current landscaper that we are looking in to. For example, he is not registered with the ROC. Also, try finding him on Google. Oh, that's right, you can't. It wont suprise me when we fire our current lansdcaper and hire a local company, based out of Maricopa, that is registered with the ROC, and has a verifiable address, and contact info, either.
If you want us to ask for bids for every decision and job we do, you are going to be waiting a long time. Bids, reviews, voting, that all takes time. All I hear on this forum is "You aren't doing enough. You aren't moving fast enough. You are taking too long." So we make a decision for immediate action, that saves you money, and again, someone isn't happy.
Remember, you voted for the Board, and elected us to make decisions like this for you. We have 1300 homes in our community. I will NEVER make all 1300 happy. But, what I will do consistently, is make the best decision for our community. Both short term, and long term.
And as far as their behavior at the meeting goes, I agree that Aaron handled himself poorly. I don't think that automatically prevents him from working for us. I would rather give our money to a local Maricopa company any day. At least that way we are supporting a local company, and funneling taxes back into our community.
-Graham | | | |
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| | reagdog
Posts:98

 | | 04/24/2008 8:38 AM |
Alert | What
When did you move to Senita? I thought you lived in RED?
I thought you encouraged people to spend their money locally in Maricopa? Foleyge Landscaping isn't from Maricopa.
Sounds like you have a knowledge of landscaping? It sounds like you have a beef with H&N? What makes you think they would be "spreading themselves too thin?"
Giving H&N these 66 home sites to clean is a "few to start with." Foleyge Landscaping is still doing our common area maintenance.
If you want to discuss the issue further, PM me and I will gladly meet you and answer any concerns you have. | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 04/24/2008 12:44 PM |
Alert | This began as a reply to a PM, but seemed more appropriate for public viewing.
Someone told me to watch my tone, and not to let people get my goat. But I disagree. This is all typed text. There is no tone, other than what the reader decides to inflect. Many arguments on here start because someone got their feelings hurt over someones innocuous statement. Don't believe me? Read the DRIVING forum. And then read it again, giving every post a rosy cheerfull voice.
I think there is a misconception on this forum. When you elected me, you got someone who doesn't back down, who isn't afraid of confrontation, and who will lay everything out in public view. If anybody wants to know why I did something all they have to do is ask. Now, everyone get's huge balls when they can type with some internet anonymity. I identify myself with every post, by name. I don't have multiple avatars, so I can fuel my own fires. When someone asks me, or tells me someting, I answer. Me. Graham. You get a straight answer from a real person. And a lot of people can't deal with that level of honesty.
I didn't run for Board because I love making people happy. If I wanted to do that, I would have started a pie exchange committy, because I make an amazing pie. Instead, I ran for the Board, because I believe that I will make the best decisions for my community, it's properties, and it's budget. There are a few topics, that if I were a politician, would be my platform. I don't like the mandated Orbitel contract. I support independantly owned, LOCAL business. I do not tolerate crime. And I support open communication between neighbors. So when I have to vote, or suggest a solution, those things are in the forefront of my mind.
If you ever want to know my reasoning, please, ask me. I would love to tell you why I am doing the best thing for you in the long run. But, if you feel the need to make accusatory statements from behind the veil of a screen name, then be prepared for a long involved answer that covers all the bases.
Next time you see me at a meeting, come forward and introduce yourself, by both names. You'd be amazed at how much a face with a name changes the way you speak to people.
-Graham
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| | beinpositiveincopa
Posts:31

 | | 04/24/2008 2:01 PM |
Alert | BRAVO Graham! Well said!  | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1473


 | | | h&n
Posts:21

 | | 04/24/2008 2:44 PM |
Alert | Hello everyone, Just got off the phone with 85239 and finally got H&N back up so we can post to this forum. We appreciate all of the publicity that the forum gives us, but on some occasions people speak without having all of the information. We want to let everyone in the community know that we at H&N are trying everything that we can to help out whenever we can. We helped out with the Maricopa Meadows cleanup free of charge because they asked us to and because we maintain the HOA. We have let Senita & Kriss Lindburg know what we would charge to take over the maintenance of Senita. We also said that if they chose to switch to us that Senita would get 100 FREE front yard cleanups per year. This is something that Senita will be needing quite often and would be a savings of $15,000 per year at our prices or $25,000 on up for some other companies. We know that Maricopa Meadows does not not look great in their grass areas and as some have mentiond it is because of not overseeding and most importantly the lack of water. Not many people know that Maricopa Meadows has had to keep their water off for the last couple of months due to the installation of lighting throughout the community. The electric company dug trenches through the irrigation system that have required extreme repair. Since then the amount of dirt that got into the system has clogged much of the irrigation system of the 54 acres of grass. We have been working tediously to get the system back into great condition. The grass should be looking good in 2 to 3 weeks. We also have to watch the area closely because we have found that when the kids get out of school they will kick over & break the sprinkler heads off at an alarming rate. For instance yesterday 5 heads were broke right when school got out. I hope that this helps anyone understand what really is going on. There is more but it is getting boring to talk about. Either way when you look at H&N as a company it would be great that before you judge our work based on a certain community that you have all of the facts. We as a compny give back to this community as much as possible. We have supported many causes in the community inluding the Rotary Club, The City of Maricopa itself, and others. We try to do our part to make Maricopa a better place to live. Thanks much to all of our supporters. Thanks for reading - H&N Landscape | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1473


 | | 04/24/2008 2:49 PM |
Alert | And thank you for the input to the topic. Hopefully a local company will get the contract when it is available again. I think our common areas are very well maintained now. But if they can receive the same care at the same, or lower price by a local company that would be fantastic. Good Luck. | | | |
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| | h&n
Posts:21

 | | 04/24/2008 3:28 PM |
Alert | Here are some pictures of the cleanups that we have started. Thanks, H&N Before: 
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| | WHAT?
Posts:50

 | | 04/24/2008 4:06 PM |
Alert | No beef what so ever. It was a sweet deal nothing wrong with that if you are saving HOA dollars..
My main concern was how the current landscaper would want to continue doing a great job when these extra jobs are no longer going to them.
I wish H&N all the best and look forward to seeing the photos. | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 04/24/2008 6:26 PM |
Alert | The last two pictures are of a house on my street. It's been "Where The Wild Things Are" for a while now. The change is amazing! It's actually a beatiful house with a little TLC.
-Graham | | | |
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