Diesel05
Posts:36

 | | 06/09/2008 9:01 AM |
Alert | I head a rumor that there will be more Section 8 housing in Senita phase 4? What do we have to do as a community to not let this happen? | | | |
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metsfan
Posts:59


 | | 06/09/2008 9:31 AM |
Alert | | Where exactly is phase 4 going to be located? | | | |
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ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 06/09/2008 9:36 AM |
Alert | A) There is no phase 4. B) Section 8 housing was addressed at the last HOA meeting. We can not prevent it, but we can limit the numer of units in the community. It's a process the Board is already investigating.
-Graham | | | |
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Diesel05
Posts:36

 | | 06/09/2008 4:13 PM |
Alert | Oops, I thought phase 4 was the west side of Santa Rosa Pkwy coming from the south entrance.
I apologize upfront for being ignorant on the Section 8 housing issue but I do have questions.
1) Why can we not prevent Section 8 housing from moving into our community? Other communities do not have Section 8 housing
2) What is the proposed number of units goin to be?
3) How does it benefit the community having section 8 housing?
4) After all the issues I have read about on this forum here regarding Senita west of the wash, why do they (whoever makes this decision) think it is a good idea to introduce the newer Senita community to this? | | | |
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Tio Junior
Posts:172


 | | 06/09/2008 4:56 PM |
Alert | | Type "Section 8 housing" into Google and you will get most of your answers. | | | |
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ForensicUnit
Posts:214

 | | 06/09/2008 5:04 PM |
Alert | 1) I was told by Ogden that Section 8 Housing is protected under the Fair Housing Act. Therefor, it is federally protected. I don't believe that there are any communities that don't have Section 8, simply because they didn't want it. Under Section 8, a tenant must pay 30% of their income on rent, and HUD gives them a voucher for the difference. Obciously, it would be unrealistic to find that arrangement in a neighborhood of properties valued over $600,000.
2) It is not a proposed number of units, its a proposed percentage of the community. And we cannont determine the percentage to cap, until we can find out the percentage of homes already here. Hypothetically, if 6% of the homes on Senita are Section 8, we can decide to cap the number at 8%.
3) Section 8 does not "benefit" the community. I would also argue, that at face value, Section 8 does not "harm" the community. Section 8 is a program a landlord decides to enroll in. The community reaps no more a benefit from Section 8 than it does from any other rental, or ownership for that matter. I would say that an occupied home is better than an unoccupied home, if you care to see it that way.
4) This has nothing to do Phase 3. (BTW, Phase 1 is west of Maricopa Groves, 2 is Maricopa Groves to the wash, and 3 is either side of Santa Rosa) In fact, this has nothing to do with Senita. Go put "Section 8 Homes" into the old google machine, and you will find homes for rent under that program in numerous communities in Maricopa. There is Section 8 in Phases 1 and 2. The reason you are hearing about it in 3 now, is because the homes are coming to completion.
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jstein1
Posts:0

 | | 06/09/2008 8:02 PM |
Alert | | Section 8 is wonderful if you are a landlord, you have recourse if your home is damaged or rent is not paid. The renters will lose their assistance for many years. I agree also that a rented home is better than an empty one, well said Forensic. Everyone deserves a nice place to live, even if they don't have a lot of money to spend on one..... | | | |
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jhall
Posts:1064


 | | 06/10/2008 8:46 AM |
Alert | | Everyone does not "deserve" a nice place to live. They can get off of their duffs and earn it themselves just like I have had to. It is not my responsibility to pay for another persons laziness and lack of drive through taxes. We live in the land of opportunity not the land of welfare, though some of you would like to turn it that way. | | A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson | |
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thick
Posts:191

 | | 06/10/2008 9:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 06/10/2008 8:46 AM
Everyone does not "deserve" a nice place to live. They can get off of their duffs and earn it themselves just like I have had to. It is not my responsibility to pay for another persons laziness and lack of drive through taxes. We live in the land of opportunity not the land of welfare, though some of you would like to turn it that way.
You're right. Not everyone "deserves" a nice place to live, but it seems a bit unfair to assume that everyone living in a Section 8 home is lazy. Perhaps they're hardworkers like you and me, who just fell on hard times: lost their jobs, accrued exhorbitant medical bills, etc... It sounds to me like an opportunity for a struggling family to get ahead a little so that they can actually get off assistance.
Where would you propose those children live? Wouldn't providing them with a safe and stable living situation afford them the opportunity to focus on their studies and become productive adults? I'm all for giving someone a leg up, who will take that opportunity and better themselves, but take advantage of me and all bets are off. | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/10/2008 10:13 AM |
Alert | Isn't 'Senita' spanish for 'section 8' ? I am all for helping people get a leg up. BUT, I am not for people who live in Section 8 housing for years and years. | | | |
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thick
Posts:191

 | | 06/10/2008 10:22 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 06/10/2008 10:13 AM I am all for helping people get a leg up. BUT, I am not for people who live in Section 8 housing for years and years.
Agreed!
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twostep23
Posts:1687


 | | 06/10/2008 11:52 AM |
Alert | Section 8 is not just for people on welfare. It's also for people who quality for the income level. People making minimum wage just can't pay all the bills to survive and then end up being homeless. Section 8 allows them to have a place to live and only pay 30% of their income for housing. This allows them to be able to pay for other necessities of living. These guidelines are based on government standards but controlled by the county. There is only a percentage of vouchers allowed for each city and each community. | | Senior Member Posts: 4625 Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/10/2008 12:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By twostep23 on 06/10/2008 11:52 AM Section 8 is not just for people on welfare. It's also for people who quality for the income level. People making minimum wage just can't pay all the bills to survive and then end up being homeless. Section 8 allows them to have a place to live and only pay 30% of their income for housing. This allows them to be able to pay for other necessities of living. These guidelines are based on government standards but controlled by the county. There is only a percentage of vouchers allowed for each city and each community. The people making miunimum wage can rent an apartment for less than they can rent a house in Senita. And they wouldn't have to be on Section 8 to afford it. Its just lazy people with BOTH hands out looking for government support. Unlike those of us who work for what we have. | | | |
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Tio Junior
Posts:172


 | | 06/10/2008 12:05 PM |
Alert | Before I say this, I have nothing against anyone renting a home. I know that some renters will take better care of their homes than the person who owns the home.
So is everyone under the impression that regular renters are better than section 8 renters? I would bet that more regular renters miss their rent, violate CC&R's and damage their rentals than section 8 renters. Section 8 renters will lose their priveleges if they don't pay rent or damage their rentals. Regular renters have no such care. Sure, section 8 can bring in some bad apples, but so can regular renters or home owners.
No, I'm not big on government handouts but realize that it can help people when they get in SHORT term financial challenges.
My point is that section 8 renters aren't the worst thing in the world. | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1687


 | | 06/10/2008 12:08 PM |
Alert | It's actually smart business now a days. You can rent out your home and know that it will be paid. People that receive the vouchers don't screw things up to lose them. Most people don't even know who uses the vouchers. Comparing Section 8 to the "Projects" isn't right. The people on Section 8 are hard working individuals who are just trying to make a living. Just because they don't make a lot of money doesn't mean that they don't care about the surrounds. I know a couple people that receive the vouchers and they take care of their cars and houses better than most people that make a good living. | | Senior Member Posts: 4625 Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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alanf
Posts:1462


 | | 06/10/2008 12:10 PM |
Alert | I am more against rtards that don't research before they pull their heads out of their butts to speak and make decisions.
I sure as hell would rather have a poor section 8 renter living next to me trying to make good than a worthless POS renter breeding Pit Bulls in his/her backyard and giving his/her spray paint cans to his/her kids to keep them entertained at night. | | | |
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Tio Junior
Posts:172


 | | 06/10/2008 12:12 PM |
Alert | | Roger that alanf | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1687


 | | 06/10/2008 12:29 PM |
Alert | 100% agree with you!!!! | | Senior Member Posts: 4625 Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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thick
Posts:191

 | | 06/10/2008 1:05 PM |
Alert | The people making miunimum wage can rent an apartment for less than they can rent a house in Senita. And they wouldn't have to be on Section 8 to afford it. Its just lazy people with BOTH hands out looking for government support. Unlike those of us who work for what we have.
1/3 of a minimum wage salary probably is less than typical rent, certainly in a non-crime ridden area. Straight pay pretax (assuming 40 hrs), these people are bringing home less than $300/wk. Has anyone read, "Nickel & Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich? She conducted an "experiment" to see why people making minimum wage could never seem to make ends meet, let alone get ahead. She discovered that what ultimately kills these folks is rent and transportation. They can't save up enough to put down deposits. I would hazard a guess that the folks receiving assistance via Section 8 are the "cream of the crop" of those needing help. | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1687


 | | 06/10/2008 1:14 PM |
Alert | And not only that when they finally do get on after waiting for a long time they will do whatever it takes to make sure that they don't lose it either. | | Senior Member Posts: 4625 Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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