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| | Author | Messages | |
pissedparent
Posts:268
 | | 06/08/2008 1:43 PM |
 Alert | I didn't paint my house pink out of spite, you are really going over board. I didn't realize I had to get permission from the HOA to improve the lighting on my driveway for my own safety and aesthetics of my house through coach lighting that should have been up on there in the first place.
Trust me the lights look a lot better than some of the others I have seen, and if any one had such a problem with it you think they would have said something within the week time frame I was up on my ladder poking holes in the front of my house.
It isn't like have a car in my drive sitting up on blocks or covered with a tarp. Those people violate terms as well and not on purpose either.
I can guarantee I'm not the only one who is not satisfied with HOAs. Maybe they should sever their ties with Orbital and save $15.00 a month. It's a waste for me anyway, I have a dish and I have to pay the cable company $44.00 anyway for a cable modem. And where did I ever say I would never pitch in and pick weeds on a foreclosed property? I was getting pissed becaused the weed nazi needs to worry more about the common areas. | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214
| | 06/08/2008 2:11 PM |
Alert | Pissed,
You blow my mind. Seriously. I repeatedly hear from you "What I did wrong shouldn't matter, because someone else did something too!" What a kindergartener excuse that is! That, right there, is the problem. instead of accepting personal responsibility, you make excuses.
You decided to buy a house
Youwere provided with a copy of the CC&R, and signed off on them
Youwere aware of the Orbitel contract when you bought the house
Youdecided to modify the exterior of your house without approval.
Oh, and how about coming to an HOA meeting, so you don't complain about stuff THAT WAS ADDRESSED MONTHS AGO?? Like, say, the very first meeting we had after I was on the board, and the first thing I did was inquire about the Orbitel contract, and how to cancel it?? And we were told that our contract is through 2010, and I talked about how I wanted it canceled at the earliest opportunity?
Instead of Armchair Quarterbacking things that you are ignorant about, ask some quality questions to make yourself more informed. You'll look like less of a tool.
-Graham | | | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:268
| | 06/08/2008 5:15 PM |
Alert | Funny I was not given "book" of HOA rules until after I closed on the house I guess that is between DR Horton and myself, they just couln't seem to come up with one until after I closed. Not that I would have remember a year later to get something like approved, as I said I wasn't changing something like the color of my house, most everyone else had lights, why they would begruge me some is beyond me.
As for the cable...they got into bed with the cable company years ago and it won't go away for years to come and I didn't have a problem with that until I found out the internet was not included so I have to pay more on top of the dish I already have. The cable company with not let them get our of their contract, I wouldn't either, it's all about the money.
I didn't say I didn't accept personal responsibility, maybe I was tired when that page got read, (who even reads that "book" but the HOA needs to pick the battles before they lose the war.
Just worry about making the common areas the best they can be and let the home owners worry about their own homes. Some homeowners take great pride in their homes and are very offended when they got letters stating they had weeds in their yard. Maybe they had been on vacation and just got back the day before and hadn't got to it yet. Then they go to get their mail and see graffiti all over it and wonder why they are getting letters in the mail for weeds and yet the powers that be can't hire someone to clean up graffiti. Is that what they pay $744.00 a year for? To clean it themselves?
I know we have garbage, cable, blah blah blah, we may as well hire them our selves and do away with the HOA altogether. | | | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 06/08/2008 5:46 PM |
Alert | The HOA didn't get in bed with the cable company. The builders put together the covenants, conditions and restrictions and then give it to an HOA company to manage. So you can blame the builders for the contracts - not the HOA.
What battles does the HOA need to pick? As far as I'm concerned, they need to pick them all and that includes having attractive common areas and holding home owners responsible for their property. The HOA doesn't overlook ugly properties to pay more attention to common areas. They should all get equal attention. By the way, you are complaining about common areas that are unkept? The community looks good - where are the unkept areas?
If the HOA "let home owners worry about their own homes," this neighborhood would look 10 times worse than it does right now. Why do you think HOA's are put in place? To keep the neighborhood looking it's best and making sure home owners are abiding by the CC&R's.
Someone would have to go on a really long vacation to come back to a front yard infested with weeds. That is just a bad excuse. Plus, the HOA sends out a warning letter before an eventual fine letter is sent out. There is a product out there called pre-emergent that keeps weeds from popping up, so I would advise everyone to use it, so in case you go out of town for a month, weeds won't be waiting for you when you get home.
Where do you see graffiti all over? Did you report the graffiti to anyone? Is it still there? How long did it take to get painted over?
You can always move to a neigihborhood that doesn't have an HOA and then you don't have to worry about picking your weeds or pay $15/mo for Orbitel. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:737
| | 06/08/2008 7:54 PM |
Alert | Wow pissed. Your hatred must be so blinding that you have lost your common sense. The builders signed with the cable company, because the cable company placed the lines in the ground. That is how we are repaying that investment. If your builder didn't give you the CC&R's before closing, that would be a huge mistake on their end. You would have had to sign and accepted they way before closing. If you did sign, but never got the paperwork, that is your own fault. If you never received them and didn't sign them either, I would be speaking to your builders, as they were then in the wrong.
Either way, don't take it out on the HOA. They represent the vast majority of us that want Senita to be the best neighborhood in Maricopa. If you don't like it, well then too bad. As for losing the War, what exactly do you mean by that? | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:268
| | 06/08/2008 9:53 PM |
Alert | Yes, I did say it was DR Horton's fault for not providing me with the HOA terms prior to closing (we found the house and closed within 2 days) They said they were in the process of getting more copies from "whoever". It was my fault for not kicking "whoever's" ass for not faxing it to me asap but I wasn't about to lose my dream home over it. It's THEIR responsibility to supply ME with it to ME to hunt one down. Did YOU ask THEM for it? I didn't think so. THEY made sure you had one.
As for the "contract" they signed with the cable company, yes we needed cable out here, but give us something we can use. I still have to pay $44.00 a month for a modem on top of a dish because the cable service is so bad so for me and hundreds of other s who have a dish and modem the service we "pay" for it's useless. That was done wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before I moved here. So that leaves the garbage and clean up of the common areas which some people feel I should be responsible for, I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Yes If I am walking my big dog and see and house that is in disrepair, I would pull weeds. But I would be God Damned if I pay $744.00 a year to clean up the common areas that landscapers should be doing. Yes I care about about my community but I do pay for a service and for someone to tell me to clean something up if I don't like it is like the electric company telling me to fix a wire when the power goes out.
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|  | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 06/08/2008 11:01 PM |
Alert | You found your dream home and closed in 2 days? I don't even think a cash transaction can close that quickly.
You just admitted we needed cable lines in the community, so how is that not "something we can use?" My internet and cable television are run on those wires so I would say that the cable lines are "something I can use."
Who's fault is it for getting a dish instead of using Orbitel? Maybe you should have weighed the cost of using someone other than Orbitel before you made that decision. Don't complain to us when you are choosing to pay for another service. Why is the cable service so bad? I have never had any issues with my internet or cable.
No one said you were responsible for cleaning up common areas. People said you should help do small things to help keep the neighborhood looking good (such as wiping down a mailbox or picking a neighbor's weeds once in a while or picking up trash in the street). I don't think anyone ever asked you to get out your lawn mower and mow the common areas or trim tree's by the playground.
So you never answered my question about common areas looking bad or the graffiti you were talking about. Care to elaborate? | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:214
| | 06/08/2008 11:18 PM |
Alert | Pissed,
Again, your ignorance is overwhelming. And I hope you understand that ignorance means lack of knowledge, and not stupidity.
EVERYTHING you are complaining about has not only been raised, but also addressed at the HOA meetings. So what are you complaining about?
1) You don't like the Orbitel contract. Neither do I. But we are in a contract. I already investigated the issue, and will make sure I do everything in my power to end the contract WHEN we can.
2) You aren't happy about the trash pickup. Neither are Reagan or I. And Reagan initiated an action to have the garbage pick up removed from the HOA fees, and billed to individual homeowners. That way, we are no longer paying for the service at empty homes every month. You can thank Reagan personally for getting that done.
3) You don't like the landscpae company. Neither do we. And, we voted to accept bids from new landscape companies last Wednesday, and will give the current one his notice on June 24th.
Please, please come to an HOA meeting. They take 1 1/2 hours. And you will walk away knowing that all of your concerns have already been addressed.
And by the way, there are two things you need to sign before buying your house. That you have read the CC&R's and accept them, and the legal information about the land around you, what it is, and what it could be. And I definitely DID hunt down copies of each, and READ them before signing. To fail to do so is ignorant, because you are signing that you agree. And as soon as you agree, you lose your right to complain about them.
Did you have no concerns that the HOA could have breed specific restrictions for dogs? That you may live in a flood plain? That a natural gas line could run 40 feet behind your house? That the land a mile a way is a planned state prison? That you can't plant citrus trees? Those are all, REALISTIC issues that could have been in the papers you failed to read before accepting your house. And I don't think any home can be your dream home if you aren't allowed to do what you want with it.
-Graham | | | |
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| | Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 06/10/2008 10:36 AM |
Alert | | Everyone needs to take a deep breath. This is healthy discussion and there is no need to gang up on people. Please let’s share info and inform those who have not been informed rather then arguing. I think there is a time to fight but it is not here and now against each other. We all feel strongly about issues and Reagan, Tio, and Forensic are very right we need to be at the HOA meetings to get these things taken care of as many things have been taken care of! It will always get taken care of as long as we have a strong board with the peoples support behind them. So get behind the board and support them rather then waste time fighting each other. So rather then complain ask the question, get the answer, and then solve the problem. Just my 2 cents worth. | |
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 06/10/2008 11:14 AM |
Alert | | In my opinion if questions are asked politely, polite responses will be given. If incorrect accusations are made with a negative tone, then the same mannered responses are usually given. | | | |
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| | Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 06/10/2008 11:25 AM |
Alert | I completely understand that. This just started to become (in my opinion only) a situation where it just kept going with no reprieve. We don’t need to make bad blood over simple things. We are a community not countries at war. I just thought if we all took a step back and a deep breath we could come back to it as calm collective people and educate each other. Tio you have been in other post where there has been heated talks and sometimes it takes a step back to bring things back into prospective does it not? These are just my thoughts though. People can yell at me if they feel like it.  | |
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 06/10/2008 11:50 AM |
Alert | | I am usually calm and realize people need to cool down before they post, however, if a person is making accusations, I want them to explain themselves. I also want people to realize that they can help neighbors and the neighborhood without complaining about it or waiting for someone else to do whatever needs to be done. I thought my posts were informative and accurate (in my opinion) and got my point across. I just get frustrated with people who aren't willing to do anything additional in life besides what is expected out of them and think only about themselves and what everyone else isn't doing to make their life a utopia. There you go again Tio - calm down!!!!! See, I'm trying. | | | |
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| | Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 06/10/2008 2:43 PM |
Alert | | (Hulk Hogan accent) Amen brother!! | | | |
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| | Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 06/10/2008 3:39 PM |
Alert | LOL | |
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton | |
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