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Boysz5User is Offline

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09/27/2008 11:19 AM Alert 
AZNITRO it seems you are very quick to make assumptions and judgements about people's situations and how they got to where they are today. First of all, we don't have an ARM or HELOC. We are an average family who bought an average house and did not go over and above our means by any stretch of the imagination. We also have not filled it w/ any fancy new furniture. Although we do have a very nice backyard along w/ a pool, we paid cash for our landscaping excluding only the pool which is nothing that should have resulted w/ us being 100K upside down. We have not over extended ourselves, because if we had we would never have qualfied for a 2nd mortgage originally to begin with. What I'm getting at, is you don't know everybody's situation and for you to be so judgemental about people and what they have to say when you don't the circumstances is definately not cool. We too didn't buy w/ the plan to sell in a few years, but there were things not disclosed to us when we first moved in - such as the amt of investor owned property in our development + the difficulties we've had w/ the MUSD school system out here which has made us reconsider our choice to make this our home indefinately.

You should really consider knowing all the facts before being so judgemental.
AZnitroUser is Offline

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09/27/2008 12:00 PM Alert 
boysz5 did you purchase during the housing boom? i waited for this crash before I bought. The writing was on the wall with all of these crazy loans. sorry to hear about your situation I have 401K that have taken major hits also. But this too is a long run investment and will rebound like our homes will. Yeah it may take some time to recoup that 100k but you will. I am sorry if you thought my rant was directed at you which it was not, you should be more angry than anyone because its people that have walked away that have caused you deflation in value of your home. so if that makes me judgemental for doing my homework and researching schools and all those kind that home ownership entails before I made a commitment then I guess I am.
Boysz5User is Offline

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09/27/2008 12:45 PM Alert 

Kudos to you AZNITRO for having nothing but time on your hands to wait things out and do all the research. We were not so lucky to have all the time in the world to do all of this.  We moved here from out of state, and the move happened very quickly.  Since you have done the research on the schools you probably noticed that MUSD is one of the lowest ranked.  If that was part of your decision, then based on your decision to stay, it seems you must be happy with that.

The market may recover at some point, but if you read the statistics you will see that it has been said mutiple times Maricopa will be one of the areas that takes the longest to recover. Being the age we are, we don't have all the time in the world to wait.  

We wanted to do what was right and still do, but there are very little options avail for those of us who want to do right and hold on to our house but don't want to make Maricopa our indefinite home until the market recovers since there is no guarantee as to if/when this will be.

It is apparent our situation is much different than yours has been so pls just leave it at that. 

 

bmw4242001User is Offline

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09/27/2008 1:23 PM Alert 
I am really lucky that my husband was smart enough to ask about investment properties and such befeore he signed the papers. It's kind of childish to put the blame on the builder when all you have to do is ask. Why can't people just take responsibility for their own actions? Granted it was a fast move for you but was it so fast that they told you Wednesday they were relocating you on Friday so you better have a house by then? If that is the case, then I would have rented until I found the best place to live and not settled. I am sorry you and your family are in the boat you are in. We are 60K in the hole on our house. Its life so we deal with it.

Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!!
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09/27/2008 2:24 PM Alert 
It seems as though those thinking of walking away are on this post looking for approval or someone to tell them it's "ok". Bottom line is we all have to live somewhere. Maricopa is a nice little town and the schools are improving every year. If you have a lovely house and nice neighbors ... a good job what else can you ask for? Equity only matters if you're looking to sell now. Since that's not happening ... sit back, relax ... live your life. Pay your bills ... you'll have to do those things wherever you live.... Ahwatukee? ... you have to pay your bills, Gilbert, Chandler, L.A., NY? wherever you hang your hat, you'll have bills and the economy is the economy wherever you are, so enjoy your homes, families, pools and built in bbq's ... sit tight and wait it out. Remember wherever you go, there you are. Since you're here, you might as well settle in and make a decisions to be happy and at home. No need to be impulsive anymore ... the economy won't allow it without consequenses.

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery." -Charles Dickens
Boysz5User is Offline

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09/27/2008 3:03 PM Alert 

You people who are so judgemental are really amazing.  First of all, we did ask the builder to confirm the qty of investors in the subdivision and we were assured that 95% were owner occupied homes.  Apparently you must not be aware of some of the tricks of the trade where somebody buys indicating they are going to occupy as residence and then turns around and rents it out instead.  This happened a lot in our immediate area and  this did not surface until we had moved in as the builders were realizing homes were not being immediatly occupied at close of escrow.  

The circumstances behind us having to make a quick decision is really none of your business and not for you to make judgement about.

As for as "dealing" with the decision made, that's what we've been trying to do - to find a way to make it work so we don't feel stuck as we do right now.

 

      

AZnitroUser is Offline

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09/27/2008 3:05 PM Alert 

exactly. We moved here from back east 3 years ago pretty quick also and rented before we bought. There is no one at stateline with a gun to your head saying you have to buy. As for the schools, AZ has a poor rating overall and even the highly rated Kyrene district has its own issues. I know my son used to attend there when we rented. They even made the news with a drug bust this week involving some 12 years old kids. We chose  Legacy for my son he loves it so yeah we made a great choice.

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09/27/2008 4:30 PM Alert 
I think in reality we all screwed up by buying in as far as real estate goes.The number one rule is location location location and we are in a very poor location. Also i dont blame some people for foreclosing on there homes. If big business can shut down screw the economy and still walk away with money in hand then why cant i? I think sometimes you just need to cut your loses. If your home is 100 grand in the hole then its time! Unless you truly plan on living in your home for the next 10 to 15 years then you might see your return but if your like me and move around a lot do to work then you dont have much choice. Everyone is in a different situation.
LeonPotterUser is Offline

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09/28/2008 12:30 PM Alert 
A couple of things.

#1. As long as one has debt of any kind, a cash purchase of anything is still being charged interest. Reason? One had the opportunity to use the cash to pay down the debt and save interest or use the funds to purchase something else. Since this wasn't done the interest continues to accumulate. So the combo meal that is bought at McD's still cost that plus the highest percentage one pays debt current held because the money could have gone toward debt repayment and saved future interest costs.. Again, it doesn't matter what it is, I know we all need to eat, but it costs more than one imagines. So, someone saying I paid cash for xyz may sound nice, it didn't reduce current debt and save interest on that debt(opportunity cost).

#2. One may feel money is "lost" when one paid for a house and the value declined. However, unless bought with cash(see number 1), nothing was truly lost because the funds were borrowed.The money didn't belong to the borrower to begin with, so how could it be "lost" when values decline? The money would have still needed to be repaid whether the value went up, down ,or sideways. The money was already lost when the deal was signed, the only question is how long it would take to be repaid and how much more cost with the interest. It just hadn't been paid back to the lender,yet. The one who loses would be the lender if the loan isn't repaid.

My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
DaybyDayUser is Offline

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09/29/2008 9:51 AM Alert 
Maybe you guys should use Russel Shaw. His commercials claim that he can "sell any house with 44 days or fire him" and "You're the boss!".

This way, you are holding to your legal obligation and everything will be good.
asugrlUser is Offline

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09/29/2008 7:12 PM Alert 
Posted By Boysz5 on 09/27/2008 3:03 PM

You people who are so judgemental are really amazing.  First of all, we did ask the builder to confirm the qty of investors in the subdivision and we were assured that 95% were owner occupied homes.  Apparently you must not be aware of some of the tricks of the trade where somebody buys indicating they are going to occupy as residence and then turns around and rents it out instead.  This happened a lot in our immediate area and  this did not surface until we had moved in as the builders were realizing homes were not being immediatly occupied at close of escrow.  

The circumstances behind us having to make a quick decision is really none of your business and not for you to make judgement about.

As for as "dealing" with the decision made, that's what we've been trying to do - to find a way to make it work so we don't feel stuck as we do right now.

 I guess I'm not understanding why you feel "stuck." Maricopa provides nearly everything most people need.. if you like your house, have a great backyard, and have not changed to a job that is an hour away, why do you need to move? Arizona in general is known for lower than average schools, so unless you plan on moving out of state, the school situation will not change. If you want a minor improvement, just have your kids ride the bus to the Kyrene or Chandler schools like some other people do, or perhaps enroll them in a charter school. You don't lose money on your home until you move, and maybe I am missing something, but it doesn't seem like there is a big reason for you to so.

      

 

asugrlUser is Offline

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09/29/2008 7:17 PM Alert 
Posted By jeeptj02 on 09/27/2008 4:30 PM
I think in reality we all screwed up by buying in as far as real estate goes.The number one rule is location location location and we are in a very poor location. Also i dont blame some people for foreclosing on there homes. If big business can shut down screw the economy and still walk away with money in hand then why cant i? I think sometimes you just need to cut your loses. If your home is 100 grand in the hole then its time! Unless you truly plan on living in your home for the next 10 to 15 years then you might see your return but if your like me and move around a lot do to work then you dont have much choice. Everyone is in a different situation.

The fact is, this is not a bad location for a lot of people. If you work in Tempe, Chandler, or Casa Grande, Maricopa is a better place to be than Scottsdale, Gilbert, etc. For people like me who work from home, Maricopa is an excellent location. It is quiet, brand new, and small enough right now to learn where every major street is the first week of living here. I am also lucky enough to work another job in Maricopa, 7 minutes from my house. I am not the only one in this situation. Plenty of people own businesses here, work from home, or work in Tempe, 20 minutes away. If you work in north Phx or Scottsdale, I can see your frustration..but remember that that is just not the case with everyone.

jeeptj02User is Offline

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09/29/2008 9:24 PM Alert 
I work in casa grande but as far as resale and appercation of home values. Where really are not in a great location yes its not bad but again not great.
DaybyDayUser is Offline

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09/29/2008 9:37 PM Alert 
Perhaps the problem lay in the fact that some expected to see home appreciation the way it has been the last seven years...over inflated. The reality is is that home values are supposed to appreciate slowly over like 15 years. When the interest rates dropped to like 1.8% people were basically getting free money. Why should a 20 year old nanny in San Francisco be able to afford a million dollar house in the city? Because they were given loans they could not afford. Do you think it is normal for a 20 + year old to own a million dollar home? Unfortunately, many were given loans they could not afford and now we are all paying for it. They borrowed "free" money for homes for cars, boats, vacations...whatever. It couldn't last forever.

I am not saying this is everyone's situation....but, it has happened to many. Why? because the common person didn't understand the loan agreement, or they just didn't care. Expecting to turn their house in a year or two for a greater profit. Those days are over folks!
michmazzUser is Offline

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09/30/2008 9:31 PM Alert 

DaybyDay,

Your comment about Russell Shaw is hilarious!!!  However, he won't touch depressed areas, that is how he keeps his numbers up.  What he doesn't tell you on his commercials is that he ultimately chooses you in the end.  


Michelle Mazzola
DaybyDayUser is Offline

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10/01/2008 8:06 AM Alert 
I am being a little bit tongue and cheek...but I am not sure what people expected to hear when they posted their woes on this website. Especially when most everyone is struggling in some way during this economy. Many of us may be hanging on by our nails, but we are trying to hang on. I am not just saying, "wait it out" but just hang on. The days of supersonic home growth and overpsending are over. They should have never become a part of American's economic tapestry, but they did. A lot of people made a lot of money. Hopefully those who did make a lot of money, but most of it away (I doubt it). I wonder how many of those people who made millions during the housing boom are now struggling to make ends meet due to over extention...

I am not trying to draw blame. In my own way, I am certain I over extended myself as well...maybe on a smaller scale?? But, the Bible says that the Lord rejoices in small beginnings. So, what does this mean? It means that we take baby steps to get ourselves out of current bad situations. We thank God for helping us to have our daily bread. And we learn from our mistakes.
desdawgUser is Offline

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11/25/2008 6:57 AM Alert 

This is a pretty interesting thread. There are a lot of judgemental folks contributing. I would caution that this depression/recession is not over yet. If you are feeling safe and immune from the problems some others are dealing with consider your self fortunate. I think a year or so ago we all thought life was grand and would continue to be grand indefinitely. The worm has turned  and who knows for sure they won't be next. So all I am saying here is don't judge too harshly or think it couldn't happen to you. No one is in control of what is happening right now in the economy. All anyone can do is look at their own personal circumstances and make decisions based on those findings.


I have done so much for so long with so little today I can do almost anything with absolutely nothing.
TheVoiceUser is Offline

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01/07/2009 2:06 PM Alert 
Foreclosure sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. A year free rent! There are people in my neighborhood who do this rental scam where they move into a rental house and then fail to make payments until evicted. They have been in 3 different homes in my immediate neighborhood over the past year and a half. Each time, they stay there no less than 4 months. It was especially amusing to see them move right across the street from the last out of state home owner after being evicted. There are like 6 adults in the house and they have motorcyles, a new spicey truck, a boat, etc. My guess is a different adult does the rental scam each time while they all save money.

The laws are on the side of the scammers and the miscreants. Perhaps if the investor/homeowners had the law on our side, things would be different. Failing to pay your rent should be just as damaging as a foreclosure.

There were also a lot of criminals who were purposefully driving up the cost of housing. It wasn't simply demand. It was an artificial demand. These people would buy homes, take out huge 2nd mortgages and sell them to a family or group member at a huge profit... over and over. This would raise the house prices for the entire neighborhood. Since they were buying several houses, this worked to their advantage.The way this works is only the person at the end of the tunnel gets left holding a bag of crap and a bad credit report as they simply walk away. This allows the rest of the clan to continue the scam. Trust me, not everyone lost out in this housing market. Those same people are probably now buying up cheap houses with all their ill gotten gains. This is all perfectly legal.... just like buying up oil to artificially raise the price. People blame the middle east, but most of the oil markups were from investment firms buying oil (much like people were dot com stocks). Many of the firms are now bankrupt with oil dropping so much, but there are some rich investment bankers.

Anyway, all the power to this guy and his year of free rent. Good for you. You are part of our American dream which is how to use the system to cheat everyone and not be left without a chair when the music stops. Sincerely, I applaud you.
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