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Subject: Interest Rates Drop Under Conservatorship of Fannie/Freddie
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R/E AppraiserUser is Offline

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09/19/2008 8:46 AM Alert 
Posted By LeonPotter on 09/18/2008 10:59 AM    The fmv is what a willing buyer is willing to pay and what a willing seller is willing to accept. No more, no less.



That is a major misconception that many have.  In reality, that defines SALE PRICE (same as a BPO or CMA does), and SALE PRICE does not extablish FMV of that property.  The definition of FMV (or MV), established by FIRREA (Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989), and approved and accepted on the State and National level of Appraisal Boards, Appraisal Institute, Appraisal SubCommittee, Appraisal Foundation, GSEs, and Lending Institutions is:

"The most probable price that a property should bring in a competitive and open market under all conditions requisite to a fair sale, the buyer ande seller, each acting prudently, knowledgeably and assuming the price is not affected by under stimulus.  Implicit in this definition is the consummation of a sale as of a specified date and the passing of title from seller to buyer under conditions whereby: (1) buyer and seller are typically motivated; (2) both parties are well informed or well advised; (3) a reasonable time is allowed for exposure to the open market; (4) payment is made in terms of cash in U.S. dollars or in terms of financial arrangements comparable thereto; and (5) the price represent the normal consideration for the property sold unaffected by special or creative financing or sales concessions granted by anyone associated with the sale."  -  USPAP (Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice) extends the definition to include:  "A type of vaqlue, stated as an opinion, that presumes the tansfer of a property (i.e., a right of ownership or a bundle of such rights), as of a certain date, under specific conditions set forth in the definition of the term identified by the appraiser as applicable in an appraisal."

To determine the actual FMV, one needs to incorporate the use of the sales comparision approach, cost approach, income approach, or a combination of any or all, and factor in things such as true comparable properties, comparable listings, LPSP ratio, time adjustments, depreciation, replacement cost, adjustments for sqft, condition, location, land/lot size, amenities, concessions, market demand/acceptance, absorption rates, external-functional-economic-environmental obsolescence, regression analysis, market conditions and trends, contract analysis (property rights being transferred), to name a few.

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09/19/2008 9:12 AM Alert 

FMV was determined by the banker/appraiser.  The banker put a number down on a piece of paper and the appraiser miraculously came up with same exact number.  Its like they were psychic or something.



I think the concept of god has outlived its usefulness. It is time to put it out of its misery.
LeonPotterUser is Offline

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09/19/2008 9:41 AM Alert 

A misconception?? Appraisers don't have the market cornered on crystal balls. All that blurb, only to justify one's employment value. It isn't complicated.

It's really a simple process. One doesn't have to use fine tooth comb to go through all the numbers and what happened here and what happened there. It isn't rocket science. I'm glad I learned my misconception, it has saved/made me valuable time and money.

I enjoy doing cash deals, it's cuts to the chase without all the unneccessary complications and expense.


My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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09/19/2008 9:49 AM Alert 
Posted By cholo bandito on 09/19/2008 9:12 AM

FMV was determined by the banker/appraiser.  The banker put a number down on a piece of paper and the appraiser miraculously came up with same exact number.  Its like they were psychic or something.


You didn't answer my question - but that's alright.   Bank appraisers are employees of that financial institution.  As an employee, they are expected to perform their job duties as any other employee since they are being paid wages to do so and are receiving benefits (health-medical-dental, retirement, 401K matching, free checking, profit sharing, paid vacations, employee discounts, etc).  By not doing so, as would any other employee of any other employer, they reduce their possibilities of advancement, wage increases, or risk termination.

I worked over 15 years for a major financial institution quite some time ago - AVP, Trust Off, CPA - I know corporate procedures.  My wife works for a major financial institution, however, as an independant fee appraiser I do not do business with them - conflict of interest - therefore, being independant, I am able to provide clients an accurate unbiased opinion of value of real estate with no vested interest in the outcome of the transaction, such as commissions. 

LeonPotterUser is Offline

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09/19/2008 9:55 AM Alert 
You might not, but there were a share of "independent appraisers" who had succumbed to the pressure and pushed a number through.

My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
LeonPotterUser is Offline

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09/19/2008 10:00 AM Alert 
BTW. It looks as though recent actions of the gov. have caused an uptick in mortgage rates.

My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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09/19/2008 10:28 AM Alert 
Posted By LeonPotter on 09/19/2008 9:41 AM

A misconception?? Appraisers don't have the market cornered on crystal balls. All that blurb, only to justify one's employment value. It isn't complicated.

It's really a simple process. One doesn't have to use fine tooth comb to go through all the numbers and what happened here and what happened there. It isn't rocket science. I'm glad I learned my misconception, it has saved/made me valuable time and money.

I enjoy doing cash deals, it's cuts to the chase without all the unneccessary complications and expense.


No it isn't rocket science and, OK, it IS really simple, so now we can do away with the Appraisal Foundation and requirements to have appraisals for any federally funded real estate transaction and delete all other laws and requirements set forth to protect the consumer, such as the Arizona Revised Statute 32-3603, and ignore the fact that deregulation of the mortgage/housing industry allowed for lenders to develop mortgage loans that provided maximum profit and give back total control over determining property values to the NAR and everyone else that has a vested interest for profit or commissions.

Oops!  Gotta go!!  I need to rub my magic lamp to let the Genie out for a teleconference with my Astrologist, to fudge the value on an assignment that's been sitting on my magic carpet for a couple of days!

LeonPotterUser is Offline

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09/19/2008 11:12 AM Alert 
lol. I knew you didn't have the crystal ball.

You seem to be on the up and up. I applaud that. I'm not a big fan of the NAR. With our disagreements, I hope you know that I'm on the side of the consumer,too.

As I said before, I am sure there appraisers who take the professional seriously and do the job with the highest integrity. I have no reason to believe you aren't one of them. I may downplay much of the work because I've seen the games played and I know the roles of the game players. I don't necessarily mean the appraisers. I mean all parts of the transactions.

Oftentimes, consumers hear what they want to hear and they take on a bad deals. It wouldn't have mattered how much advice and warning that received, they would have gone on to the next person to get what they wanted.

I've held licenses as financial advisor, real estate agent, insurance agent, and tax professional. I've seen the complexities of certain recommendations that don't help the consumer as much as they could or even put them in a worse position.
Believe me, I've had my share of conflicts with various professionals because I don't follow conventional methods of thinking. I've had challenges with personal dealings for the same reason. But, in the end, I've gotten the deals I wanted to get because I know no one looks out more for me than me.

I enjoy passing my knowledge to others. If they use it, great!



My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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09/19/2008 7:49 PM Alert 

Posted By LeonPotter on 09/19/2008 11:12 AM

I hope you know that I'm on the side of the consumer,too.

Oftentimes, consumers hear what they want to hear and they take on a bad deals. It wouldn't have mattered how much advice and warning that received, they would have gone on to the next person to get what they wanted.



The first statement I figured out quite some time ago.

The second statement I figured out a long time ago and that will never change.

I also have to make a correction to part of a previous statement regarding Federal Insured Real Estate Transactions.  After today it should be - Tax Payer insured transactions.

 

 

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