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love@hm
Posts:476
 | | 04/19/2008 4:12 PM |
 Alert | I just wanted to clarify:
A person leaving a church because they don't understand a teaching, or the disagree with a priniciple is hardly invalid - and I did not in any way mean to imply differently. About the only invalid reason to leave a church is laziness- and even that has some validity.
There are people who struggle within church(es) to understand as well, and many do not leave because their testimonies are strong enough to follow through and carry them until they can reach their point of understanding.
My point in bringing up what they understand vs what they don't understand is actually pretty simple. If you ask me a question about what my church teaches and I don't know the answer, I'm much more likely to tell you I don't completely understand, or that I will have to research a topic. Whereas a person who has no desire to understand may pass off what they don't understand with what they FEEL they understand of the topic.
Anyway, their reasons ARE valid, and I find myself honestly feeling that if a person is in a position to love God, serve God and be a better person in a different religion than THAT is what is right for them. . . . honestly, I am one of the few people out there that will say it is better to leave the LDS church and become a good Christian than to stay in the LDS church and be a bad Mormon. It doesn't change my belief that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Church formed by and the Church run by Christ, with prophets who speak with God, but I do believe there are ex-members out there who are more devoted to God in other religions then they were as members and I think they should worship where they are able to give God their highest level of devotion. My Lutheran friend is a prime example!
What I don't understand is why everyone is always wanting to go to outside sources instead of to the source itself. I guess I would rather get my information from those living the principles over those who have lived the principles anyway.
Also, I word of caution: googling on the internet for information regarding LDS doctrine can be tricky. Many of the sites out there look like they are impartial, but are really more like wolves in sheeps clothing. I ran into one that LOOKED like it would be a good site, and it took some digging for me to figure out they were an anti-site. There are impartial sites out there (somewhere - most of the ones I know are pro-LDS) - Just wanted to let you know. | | | |
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| | DaybyDay
Posts:257
| | 04/19/2008 4:50 PM |
Alert | | An invalid reason for leaving a church (in my opinion) is that they couldn't agree on what color to paint the walls, pews vs chairs, and other such non-sense that really does not have any baring on what the church teaches or preaches. | | | |
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| | qwerty
Posts:135
| | 04/19/2008 8:45 PM |
Alert | Posted By DaybyDay on 04/19/2008 3:34 PM When I said that you didn't touch on anything else I said but instead glommed onto Concerned Christians and other people who have left the Mormon church, what I meant was that there was no discussion regarding the passage in Numbers 22-24 that I mentioned. I was a little confused at first but then realized you are referring to a comment you had made in the other thread. I copied it below for reference in this thread. In re to prophecy. There is a story in the Bible about a man named Balaam (Nov 22-24). Balaam was called by the King of Moab to curse the Israelites. Balaam is not a believer. He believed the curses or blessings as long as there was some benefit to himself (probably monetary). So, the king calls Balaam to curse Israel. While in a trance, the Lord opens the Spirit to Balaam and he begins proclaiming the Word of God. Does this make Balaam a believer? No! In fact, he tried to curse Israel and it didn't work, so instead, he led them to start worshiping other gods. The fact of the matter is that this did not make Balaam a prophet, it didn't even make him a believer. Is your claim here that Joseph Smith was just like Balaam? Making prophecies from visions received from God? What Balaam prophecied was still true, so are you conceeding that Joseph Smith's prophecies were true but he wasn't a true prophet? Just want to make sure I understand your meaning here. | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 04/20/2008 7:29 AM |
Alert | All of this bickering about which religion is the 'right' one should be in an indication that there is something wrong. Religion was created by man to control other men. You all can believe in your 'imaginary freind' and let the others believe in their 'imaginary freind'. "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.." Thomas Jefferson "I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." Clarence Darrow "Man is a Religious Animal. Man is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven.... The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste." Mark Twain "It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." Mark Twain "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." Napoleon Bonaparte "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart" H.L. Mencken "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson "Religion. It's given people hope in a world torn apart by religion." | | | |
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| | DaybyDay
Posts:257
| | 04/20/2008 8:22 AM |
Alert | Is your claim here that Joseph Smith was just like Balaam? Making prophecies from visions received from God? What Balaam prophecied was still true, so are you conceeding that Joseph Smith's prophecies were true but he wasn't a true prophet? Just want to make sure I understand your meaning here. What I am saying is that sometimes God has used unlikely sources as a means to share something. But, just because he used an unlikely source (ie Balaam) it didn't make him a prophet, to set up a religion and proclaim that he was the one true prophet and that his religion was the one that should be followed. And, it would appear, that when God used people to prophecy about what was to come, he usually gave them a Word about the coming Messiah, not about a civil war or anything else of that nature. I don't know. These things will all be revealed when we get to heaven, because we will all go there first and have to give an account of our lives on earth, whether we profess to be Christians or not. At that point, the Lord will give a judgement and we will all know. And, while others have implied that we are bickering over which religion is right or wrong I don't really see it that way. I don't feel any anger (or adverse feelings) coming towards me and I know that I am not giving any out. So, for anyone to imply that this conversation is an argument may not understand the beauty of a healthy debate. | | | |
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| | qwerty
Posts:135
| | 04/20/2008 8:35 AM |
Alert | I don't know. These things will all be revealed when we get to heaven, because we will all go there first and have to give an account of our lives on earth, whether we profess to be Christians or not. At that point, the Lord will give a judgement and we will all know.
And, while others have implied that we are bickering over which religion is right or wrong I don't really see it that way. I don't feel any anger (or adverse feelings) coming towards me and I know that I am not giving any out. So, for anyone to imply that this conversation is an argument may not understand the beauty of a healthy debate.
I completely agree with you. I have appreciated your approach in this discussion. Other threads here have turned vicious when discussing religion and don't really represent the purpose of having these discussions. | | | |
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|  | lexmark
Posts:352
| | 04/21/2008 10:17 AM |
Alert | J smith is a great !! what a joke hahahhaa | |
Bye Bye Maricopa! | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:1973
| | 04/21/2008 3:26 PM |
Alert | | Man, you are just hating on all religions today huh? What religion are you lexmark? One that promotes hatred? Geez.... | |
"Your village called.........they're missing their idiot" | |
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| | lexmark
Posts:352
| | 04/21/2008 3:30 PM |
Alert | | well I was sitting in my office listening to a Mormon and a catholic argue with each other and then i had an epiphany and shazam both of these religions are a big joke... | |
Bye Bye Maricopa! | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3143
| | 04/21/2008 9:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By lexmark on 04/21/2008 3:30 PM
well I was sitting in my office listening to a Mormon and a catholic argue with each other and then i had an epiphany and shazam both of these religions are a big joke... She sure has changed. I think the devil had gotten into her. | |
I'd rather live one day as a lion, than my whole life as a lamb. | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:1973
| | 04/22/2008 7:51 AM |
Alert | Posted By lexmark on 04/21/2008 3:30 PM
well I was sitting in my office listening to a Mormon and a catholic argue with each other and then i had an epiphany and shazam both of these religions are a big joke...
So which religion do you think is not a joke? I am not going to bash it, just want to see if you prescribe to any particular religious belief that's all......
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