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BeerLeague2
Posts:111
 | | 09/25/2007 11:06 PM |
 Alert | Okay, this is just too good to pass up:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20060331_god-loves-everyone-lie.pdf
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 09/25/2007 11:47 PM |
Alert | | There's a reason why Kansas is Kansas. What comes out of Kansas that has an impact on the world? BBQ or sports dont count. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3052
| | 09/26/2007 11:54 AM |
Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 09/25/2007 12:31 PM Posted By Sinbad on 09/25/2007 12:23 PM Posted By Copa Conscious on 09/25/2007 12:14 PM
OR
The message being 'you can use church collections to buy male prostitutes and meth'.
The devil made you do it! LOL... I would love to stand behind you in line.. ha ha ha ha .. just to see the floor disappear under you and you fall from grace... "That's Hot!" A few months ago there was a minister who did just that! The floor will fall out from under people like him and you.
Just remember........
"That's Hot!" | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Veritas
Posts:315
| | 09/26/2007 12:12 PM |
Alert | While this discussion has already devolved into an absolute mess, there is a problem with your basic premise. Though it is true (from a theological perspective) that "God created man in His own image", being gay IS NOT part of that image. It is easy to show (biblically) that the original model (prior to the Fall) for marriage was heterosexual. Homosexuality was a result of sin entering the world; at least, that's the claim of scripture.
Now before I'm labeled a hateful religious nut, please realize that I simply provided information designed to help guide our reasoning here.
So, given that being gay IS NOT part of "God's image", and since Jesus is God, it follows naturally that Jesus was not gay. It should also be noted that He came to save ALL sinners ... the gay ones and the straight ones ... so I guess that would be all of us?
QED | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 09/28/2007 12:42 AM |
Alert | | But, how did sin enter this world without God creating it? | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/28/2007 1:20 AM |
Alert | | Sin entered when man created it. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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|  | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/28/2007 7:50 AM |
Alert | Posted By Noel on 09/25/2007 7:17 PM
Did you know that you can directly ask Jesus if he is "gay"? You can start a personal relationship with Jesus right now by asking Him into your heart and by asking Him to lead you to a better understanding of His Word. You are not in trouble for these silly questions as a matter of fact the reason you are invoking the name of God is because you feel a void where He should be. Did you know that? It's quite alright to act a misfit when you are outside the eyes of the Lord and as a matter of fact it is expected. Ask Jesus for yourself, each of you whos wit is "seemingly" sharp, and He will answer you in His way. Keep questioning Him and learning what He has to say. Don't be afraid to start your relationship with Jesus even with an "odd" question like this but remember to listen and read His Word so you obtain a true answer.
Sweet baby Jesus on a popsicle stick, Noel. Another post with no paragraphs. Try them. They're wonderful. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/28/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | Posted By Cletus on 09/28/2007 7:50 AM Posted By Noel on 09/25/2007 7:17 PM
Did you know that you can directly ask Jesus if he is "gay"? You can start a personal relationship with Jesus right now by asking Him into your heart and by asking Him to lead you to a better understanding of His Word. You are not in trouble for these silly questions as a matter of fact the reason you are invoking the name of God is because you feel a void where He should be. Did you know that? It's quite alright to act a misfit when you are outside the eyes of the Lord and as a matter of fact it is expected. Ask Jesus for yourself, each of you whos wit is "seemingly" sharp, and He will answer you in His way. Keep questioning Him and learning what He has to say. Don't be afraid to start your relationship with Jesus even with an "odd" question like this but remember to listen and read His Word so you obtain a true answer. Sweet baby Jesus on a popsicle stick, Noel. Another post with no paragraphs. Try them. They're wonderful.
It's 165 words!
Geez, I think people are too used to website paragraphs that are one sentence long.
Paragraphs aren't meant to be started every sentence! | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/28/2007 1:29 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 09/28/2007 11:51 AM Posted By Cletus on 09/28/2007 7:50 AM Posted By Noel on 09/25/2007 7:17 PM
Did you know that you can directly ask Jesus if he is "gay"? You can start a personal relationship with Jesus right now by asking Him into your heart and by asking Him to lead you to a better understanding of His Word. You are not in trouble for these silly questions as a matter of fact the reason you are invoking the name of God is because you feel a void where He should be. Did you know that? It's quite alright to act a misfit when you are outside the eyes of the Lord and as a matter of fact it is expected. Ask Jesus for yourself, each of you whos wit is "seemingly" sharp, and He will answer you in His way. Keep questioning Him and learning what He has to say. Don't be afraid to start your relationship with Jesus even with an "odd" question like this but remember to listen and read His Word so you obtain a true answer. Sweet baby Jesus on a popsicle stick, Noel. Another post with no paragraphs. Try them. They're wonderful. It's 165 words! Geez, I think people are too used to website paragraphs that are one sentence long. Paragraphs aren't meant to be started every sentence!
How are you supposed to ask some dead guy who supposedly lived over 2000 years ago whether or not he's gay? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/28/2007 1:48 PM |
Alert | How are you supposed to ask some dead guy who supposedly lived over 2000 years ago whether or not he's gay?
It's written in a book. You just need to read it... | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/28/2007 4:48 PM |
Alert | | How do we know that Jesus was hetero? Did he have sex with anyone? If he did, then I missed that chapter in the bible. That might have made it A LOT more interesting!! | | | |
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| | BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/28/2007 4:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By Cletus on 09/28/2007 7:50 AM Posted By Noel on 09/25/2007 7:17 PM
Did you know that you can directly ask Jesus if he is "gay"? You can start a personal relationship with Jesus right now by asking Him into your heart and by asking Him to lead you to a better understanding of His Word. You are not in trouble for these silly questions as a matter of fact the reason you are invoking the name of God is because you feel a void where He should be. Did you know that? It's quite alright to act a misfit when you are outside the eyes of the Lord and as a matter of fact it is expected. Ask Jesus for yourself, each of you whos wit is "seemingly" sharp, and He will answer you in His way. Keep questioning Him and learning what He has to say. Don't be afraid to start your relationship with Jesus even with an "odd" question like this but remember to listen and read His Word so you obtain a true answer. Sweet baby Jesus on a popsicle stick, Noel. Another post with no paragraphs. Try them. They're wonderful.
Cletus, I am LMAO in my office. You're killing me! Too darn funny!!
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 10/01/2007 10:10 AM |
Alert | Posted By BeerLeague2 on 09/28/2007 4:50 PM Posted By Cletus on 09/28/2007 7:50 AM Posted By Noel on 09/25/2007 7:17 PM
Did you know that you can directly ask Jesus if he is "gay"? You can start a personal relationship with Jesus right now by asking Him into your heart and by asking Him to lead you to a better understanding of His Word. You are not in trouble for these silly questions as a matter of fact the reason you are invoking the name of God is because you feel a void where He should be. Did you know that? It's quite alright to act a misfit when you are outside the eyes of the Lord and as a matter of fact it is expected. Ask Jesus for yourself, each of you whos wit is "seemingly" sharp, and He will answer you in His way. Keep questioning Him and learning what He has to say. Don't be afraid to start your relationship with Jesus even with an "odd" question like this but remember to listen and read His Word so you obtain a true answer. Sweet baby Jesus on a popsicle stick, Noel. Another post with no paragraphs. Try them. They're wonderful. Cletus, I am LMAO in my office. You're killing me! Too darn funny!!
Wish I could take full credit, BeerLeague. It's adapted from a line in Fletch "Jeeeezus H Christ on a Popsicle stick....." But I'll settle for partial. | | | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 10/01/2007 10:12 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 09/28/2007 1:48 PM How are you supposed to ask some dead guy who supposedly lived over 2000 years ago whether or not he's gay? It's written in a book. You just need to read it...
Just cause it's written in a book doesn't make it true. I assume you're referring to the Bible when you say it's written in a book. I've read the Bible. Didn't see a word about Jesus being gay, straight, or a hermaphrodite. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:682
| | 10/01/2007 10:21 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 09/28/2007 1:20 AM
Sin entered when man created it.
You should read up on St Augustine a little. He describes sin/evil as not a thing, but absense of Good. Compare it to cold, cold is only the absense of heat, and there is a absolute cold(evil) while there is not a absolute heat(good).
He also delves into why man sins. Man does not sin to be evil, Man sins to enjoy goodnedd even though its corrupted by Man. If you really think about it, it does make sense. But needs some deep thought. Of course this is more of a theological tool to help us understand Sin better and why we do it. We do it because it feels good or makes us feel good. | | | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/01/2007 10:23 AM |
Alert | Posted By BeerLeague2 on 09/28/2007 4:48 PM
How do we know that Jesus was hetero? Did he have sex with anyone? If he did, then I missed that chapter in the bible. That might have made it A LOT more interesting!!
He did seem to have a lot of male friends............. where there's smoke, there's Fire Island......... | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/01/2007 10:33 AM |
Alert | I've read the Bible. Didn't see a word about Jesus being gay, straight, or a hermaphrodite.
It does say that he wasn't gay. You're not looking closely enough.
He describes sin/evil as not a thing, but absense of Good.
Except that's not how it works. Sin is a rebellion against God.
Man does not sin to be evil, Man sins to enjoy goodnedd even though its corrupted by Man. If you really think about it, it does make sense. But needs some deep thought. Of course this is more of a theological tool to help us understand Sin better and why we do it. We do it because it feels good or makes us feel good.
Yes, this I agree with (with a few exceptions). Man sins not to be evil, but because apart from God, man is evil. The sin feels good to the person apart from God.
Now the exceptions: Adam, Eve and Lucifer. They all sinned not because they were already evil, but because they made a conscious choice to become evil. | |
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| | JAG
Posts:682
| | 10/01/2007 11:14 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/01/2007 10:33 AM
Now the exceptions: Adam, Eve and Lucifer. They all sinned not because they were already evil, but because they made a conscious choice to become evil.
They sinned because they wanted to be Like God. We are all guilty of that. They wanted to have the ultimate feeling of Good. They were no differant then you or I in that aspect. | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 10/01/2007 12:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 09/25/2007 11:47 PM
There's a reason why Kansas is Kansas. What comes out of Kansas that has an impact on the world? BBQ or sports dont count.
LOL, since when does BBQ not count? BBQ counts for an awful lot in my book!!! | | | |
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| | Veritas
Posts:315
| | 10/01/2007 1:13 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 09/28/2007 12:42 AM
But, how did sin enter this world without God creating it?
Sin is the result of evil.
Evil is the absence of that which is good.
God only does good.
Choices are either good or evil.
Persons make choices of their own free will.
Having a free will is good.
Taking away a persons free will is evil.
Therefore, God let man exercise his free will choice for evil, and hence, sin enters the world. That is very different from God creating it.
Another reason that Jesus WAS NOT gay (see forum title) ... being God and all, He'd refrain from the sin of homosexuality -- a vice that robs the individual of the design that is in God's best plan for personal wholeness. Homosexuality is not defined as an "abomination" in Scripture simply because it's wrong, but because it's evil. There is a big difference between evil and wrong.
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PAUSE ... what follows will certainly "offend" someone, but that is not my intent. I intend to give a systematic explanation that is both philosophical and theological in nature. In the process of doing this, I am certain to use terms and ideas that bother, offend, etc. This is an unavoidable feature of discussing difficult topics. So, whatever you think, this IS NOT "gay bashing" ... that's what people who are profoundly stupid and hateful do whenever they are bored and/or drunk.
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Humans were not made to be complete beings alone or in NON-heterosexual pairs. We could argue about the emotional or spiritual hazards/benefits of either lifestyle, but it is a medically undeniable fact that homosexuality is ALWAYS a physical health hazard. Even from a purely evolutionary framework, homosexuality serves only as a functional disadvantage at best. There is no basis for it aside from the free will choice that free moral agents select.
With regard to the rhetoric, "God hates the sin but loves the sinner", this is based on the clear teaching of Scripture that (1) homosexuality is a sin and that (2) Christ died to save all the sinners ... both gay and straight. Sin is sin ... there are no degrees of sin except in the foolish eyes of men.
We should also be clear that homosexuality is "strange" to most people. From what I can tell though, most people just want to "not have it forced on them" and are fine with gay people living gay lives all they want. It seems to me that if we all (theist or not) believed in freedom, we'd be a lot more tolerant of the things that we disagree with and the people that express their disagreements. Though I can comprehend the fear factor that leads to hatred, I do not understand it. It seems like an enormous waste of time and energy that only robs people of rest. | | | |
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