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| | Author | Messages | |
mw
Posts:128
 | | 06/03/2008 5:40 PM |
 Alert | what you just said makes no sense. if "not all parents read the religious forum," why discuss it on this forum at all? don't you think you've hit up enough people under "parents" and "schools?" i still believe you posted on this forum so that those of us that share faith...your faith...will stand behind you in an uproar. like i said, i believe in God. i've read the secret and it's not something that is for me or my beliefs. i also believe it shouldn't have been taught in a math class, but it was. i still don't see a problem w/it being shown in school though.
what are you going to do when your son goes to college and you can't police everything he is taught? ask for him to send you his curriculum once a week? i just don't see why you have such a problem with this showing as (like i said in my parents post to you) it could open up a wonderful dialog between you and your son. if your son has a strong sense of faith, then something like a showing of the secret isn't going to alter his thinking. when he comes home to discuss it with you, you could further that discussion and maybe even deepen your own faith, together. but to put blinders on, or try to, is ludicris. there are always going to be things in school you don't agree with, but like i said before, if you get into an uproar everytime you hear something you don't believe, it's only going to teach your son that it is ok to be closed minded. i don't think any parents are slamming you for trying to get the word out that something was taught in school that you don't particularly agree with. i, for one, am a little irritated that you seem to think that your beliefs should be the cornerstone of what curriculum is taught in public schools. if you want more control over what your son learns, put him in a christian school. | |
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| | naneki1990
Posts:14
| | 06/03/2008 6:21 PM |
Alert | I am sorry you are irritated and I am sorry you cannot see what I was trying to do came from the bottom of my heart. I was just trying to reach out to all parents across the board to let each and all have their choice in the matter as we(all of us) were not given that.
As for my children, we are a very open family we talk about everything and that hasn't changed since this happened. It is my JOB to to take care of my children, and with that JOB I have to make tough choices for them right now which is why your statement about when he goes off to college is completely irrational. Right now he is a minor and just because a school says something is OK(which in this case they did not) does not mean I have to sit back and accept it. I will ALWAYS stand up for my children and in doing so the other children in our schools. Just because our children are in someone elses care does not mean that care is always appropriate. I do not in anyway feel I should rule over the curriculum I just feel that I should at least know about it. And your remark about sending him to a Christian school is also irrivalent - not everyone can afford such tuitions. I do not have my blinders on as you stated my eyes are wide open! | | | |
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| | Wompus
Posts:628
| | 06/03/2008 6:23 PM |
Alert | I have heard the "Secret" before and never thought of it as religious. I thought it more like a Dale Carnegie or Jim Rohn seminar.
The gist is that human beings have the power to accomplish whatever they intensely aspire to accomplish, provided they adhere to the method advocated. The method is valid for achieving personal wealth, improving personal relationships, curing illness or any other purpose including service to society. Rightly applied, the method is infallible.
So how is this religious? Hey, I have been wrong before..... | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 06/03/2008 7:07 PM |
Alert | Posted By mw on 06/03/2008 3:56 PM
i also take offense that this is a double post and she came to the "religion" thread hoping to find a different answer.
LOL, she posted the topic in the Religion section first. You really should do a little research before you post or you might sound.............never mind to late. | |
Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | katycreek
Posts:38
| | 06/04/2008 6:13 AM |
Alert | I'm probably considerably older than most of you as I have children who are facing these same issues with my grandchildren. But, way back when, school was about the three R's., History, Science etc. For anything that was a special event or interest, or an aside from regluar studies, parents were notified well ahead of time. They were allowed to have their child not attend and without penalty. Public Schooling should be still about those subjects, and those subjects only. Public school is never about praying over lunch or foot washing or any other religous habit. It is about education for the future of the child. Some religous topics in general are necessary to fully understand a culture or country, as someone else stated. But it is up to the parents, not schools, to teach children about their specific religous beliefs as well as manners and general life dealing behaviour. If that is done properly, then children who are exposed to something that questions their faith will do exactly what the thread-starters child did, he came home and talked about it........ Most parents have stepped out of the loop of parent, teacher, school association and do not really know what the heck kids are being taught these day anyway. Education needs to be addressed by people with children in the system. It is public school, very nearly like a public park anymore, most anything goes these days because parents have turned it over to someone else to handle it. Your child will be exposed to what you allow him/her to be exposed to by your involvement or your lack of it. "Train up your child in the way he should go" does not mean you just hand it all to God and chance. That is too much like being on a diet, buying an eclaire and asking God to help you not eat it. If you are not "in there," having a say in what your children are being taught you are throwing them to the wolves in their faith as well as their life potential. | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 06/04/2008 7:49 AM |
Alert | Posted By mw on 06/03/2008 3:56 PM Posted By Bionicbunny on 05/27/2008 12:54 PM Posted By pissedparent on 05/22/2008 8:50 PM
why doesn't she have her son go to a christian school if she is so worried about what he is going to see in public school that may differ from their religious beliefs??
Oh, you must be talking about the Christian school around the corner. Why should she have to send her child there? | | | |
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|  | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 06/04/2008 8:14 AM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 06/03/2008 6:23 PM
I have heard the "Secret" before and never thought of it as religious. I thought it more like a Dale Carnegie or Jim Rohn seminar.
The gist is that human beings have the power to accomplish whatever they intensely aspire to accomplish, provided they adhere to the method advocated. The method is valid for achieving personal wealth, improving personal relationships, curing illness or any other purpose including service to society. Rightly applied, the method is infallible.
So how is this religious? Hey, I have been wrong before.....
We accomplish nothing on our own, it is only through Gods blessings that we have, whether it be money, homes, cars, ability to cure illness.
“Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, O LORD, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all.”- 1 Chronicles 29:11 Everything belongs to Him. God decides who gets what and it is not under our power at all. | | | |
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| | Wompus
Posts:628
| | 06/04/2008 8:57 AM |
Alert | Sorry but I don't subscribe to Calvinism... or any ism really (Well except maybe Capitalism).
If you think God is up there divvying up the toy chest then that is kind of sad. I personally believe that God gives us some tools and the rest is up to us... you know, freewill? And while I haven't done the whole "Secret" thing, who doesn't believe that if you surround yourself with positive thought and WORK in a positive manner that positive things will happen to you? Isn't it funny that the harder you work the luckier you become? | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 06/04/2008 9:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 06/04/2008 8:57 AM
Sorry but I don't subscribe to Calvinism... or any ism really (Well except maybe Capitalism).
If you think God is up there divvying up the toy chest then that is kind of sad. I personally believe that God gives us some tools and the rest is up to us... you know, freewill? And while I haven't done the whole "Secret" thing, who doesn't believe that if you surround yourself with positive thought and WORK in a positive manner that positive things will happen to you? Isn't it funny that the harder you work the luckier you become?
Are you and Open Theist?
If God is not in control of everything, how do you explain when the brothers of Joseph's "free will" choice was meant for evil, but Joseph said it was God's act for his purpose? Genesis 50: 20"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive. God is even in control of what some might call chance: Proverbs 16:33The lot is cast into the lap,
But its every decision is from the LORD. | |
Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 06/04/2008 9:48 AM |
Alert | | I don't subscribe to the "God is in complete control" belief. I, personally, think it's frequently a copout for not owning up to our own behaviors and success, but I don't find it "sad." Whatever floats your boat. I just find it silly to get up in arms about something being taught in school that doesn't parallel those beliefs, especially when public schools are not permitted to teach or incorporate anything with religious undertones. We can't have it both ways. If you want an education sensitive to your religious beliefs then you probably need to enroll your child in a private, religious school. Again, the ONLY issue I would have is that my child's valuable MATH time was spent watching a video not pertaining to...well... MATH. This video would have been more appropriate in another class. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 06/04/2008 10:52 AM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 06/04/2008 8:57 AM
If you think God is up there divvying up the toy chest then that is kind of sad. I personally believe that God gives us some tools and the rest is up to us... you know, freewill? And while I haven't done the whole "Secret" thing, who doesn't believe that if you surround yourself with positive thought and WORK in a positive manner that positive things will happen to you? Isn't it funny that the harder you work the luckier you become?
You don't see how The Secret places all of the responsibility on the person and then if things go their way, it's all because of what they did? You don't see how that takes God completely out of it?
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| | mw
Posts:128
| | 06/04/2008 12:53 PM |
Alert | why doesn't she have her son go to a christian school if she is so worried about what he is going to see in public school that may differ from their religious beliefs?? Oh, you must be talking about the Christian school around the corner. Why should she have to send her child there?
i'm talking about any christian school in general. i was trying to make a point that if she takes such offense to subject matters taught in public schools that she should think about putting her child into a school where beliefs would be the cornerstone to his curriculum and she wouldn't have to worry about things like "the secret" ever being taught. i realize not everyone can afford private schools. but my parents refused public schools for my sister and i and put us both in catholic school....they were broke, but they made it work. | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 06/04/2008 1:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By mw on 06/04/2008 12:53 PM why doesn't she have her son go to a christian school if she is so worried about what he is going to see in public school that may differ from their religious beliefs?? Oh, you must be talking about the Christian school around the corner. Why should she have to send her child there? i'm talking about any christian school in general. i was trying to make a point that if she takes such offense to subject matters taught in public schools that she should think about putting her child into a school where beliefs would be the cornerstone to his curriculum and she wouldn't have to worry about things like "the secret" ever being taught. i realize not everyone can afford private schools. but my parents refused public schools for my sister and i and put us both in catholic school....they were broke, but they made it work.
I'm not aware of any Christian schools within a reasonable driving distance regardless of the cost but, more importantly, she shouldn't have to take her kids out of that school. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 06/04/2008 1:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 06/04/2008 8:57 AM
Sorry but I don't subscribe to Calvinism... or any ism really (Well except maybe Capitalism).
If you think God is up there divvying up the toy chest then that is kind of sad. I personally believe that God gives us some tools and the rest is up to us... you know, freewill? And while I haven't done the whole "Secret" thing, who doesn't believe that if you surround yourself with positive thought and WORK in a positive manner that positive things will happen to you? Isn't it funny that the harder you work the luckier you become? I don't believe that if you surround yourself with positive thoughts and work in a positive manner that positive things will happen to you. There are a million and one self help books out there for people who buy into that crap. One day they sit and wonder why bad things happen to good people, or they jump off a bridge because everything they worked so hard for is gone in an instant, a fire or illness or crashing of the stock market or loss of a job. Or they wonder why, no matter what they do, they just can't seem to keep up with the Jones'. "Isn't it funny that the harder you work the luckier you become?" No because it isn't true. There are some people who have a ton of money and "stuff" that seems to have come so easy for them and others that struggle and work their butts off every day to no avail. I don't subscribe to Calvinism either (not sure why you mentioned that). | | | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 06/04/2008 1:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bionicbunny on 06/04/2008 1:39 PM I'm not aware of any Christian schools within a reasonable driving distance regardless of the cost but, more importantly, she shouldn't have to take her kids out of that school. Then perhaps she shouldn't be upset over something as innocuous as The Secret "challenging" their religious beliefs. Save the fight for if/when her child does poorly in math. | | | |
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| | Wompus
Posts:628
| | 06/04/2008 3:33 PM |
Alert | Calvinism is the belief in complete predestination, no matter what you do only the select few are chosen... whatever.
As for quoting the bible, you won't get that from me. I believe in God but don't believe that he is some old bearded man with a grudge for some and happyness for others.
As for people buying self help books, how many have you bought that you followed through on? That is the problem with so many things... exercise videos, self help books, fad diets... they are all quick fixes and hardly a solution to a real problem. Ever hear of NLP or maybe Tony Robbins? I think they (NLP) border on a cult but their principles are right on. You REALLY have to believe in yourself and actually take steps to prove that and live it.
The keeping up with the Jones' is a funny analogy when you consider that anyone who buys something simply to top their neighbors probably isn't a positive person but rather a jealous person who lacks self-esteem... hardly positive.
Now I have to go out and buy the Secret to see what it is that I somewhat defended. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 06/04/2008 4:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By thick on 06/04/2008 1:55 PM Then perhaps she shouldn't be upset over something as innocuous as The Secret "challenging" their religious beliefs. Save the fight for if/when her child does poorly in math. | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 06/04/2008 4:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 06/04/2008 4:01 PM Should Christians then be allowed to start having Bible lessons in public school? Nope, although truthfully I have no issue with religion being discussed or even incorporated in schools as long as it's not mandatory or presented as an absolute. All I'm saying is that I don't believe this film is "anti-religion." I simply have trouble believing that it really has any significant impact on someone with a strong faith, by the Book, or that any child is traumatized by it (HS-aged especially). If we remove all teachings because they may contradict any religion's principles, where do we stop? I really think this has been blown way out of proportion, but I'm not easily offended so I'm trying to be sensitive. Having a hard time though, sorry. | | | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:829
| | 06/04/2008 5:46 PM |
Alert | The Secret teaches that there is a mystical force - The Universe - that exists to give you whatever you want. You need only to want it enough. It does not teach people to look on the bright side of life. It does not encourage people to work hard for their goals. It tells you to want it, and to believe it - and you will have it. And it claims to be a LAW like gravity. Therefore, it will never fail.
Not work hard, study, go to school, make a business plan, network, brain storm, protect your credit, this is how to fill out a job application, this is how to budget your money...nothing useful. Just WANT IT and HAVE IT.
Please don't think that this belief system is psychology based. It is not. It teaches the supernatural and does not belong in school. No supernatural teaching belongs in school and I am willing to throw the baby out with the bath water on that one.
I watched a program in PBS the other night that I thought would have been perfect for school had it been geared more towards children. "Dr Amen: Seven Ways To Optimize Your Brain and Your Life" is a non-supernatural approach to taking care of your brain, and how to affect your personality and moods through diet and exercise. If school were going to teach kids anything about being successful, it should be reality based.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 06/04/2008 11:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By thick on 06/04/2008 4:50 PM Nope, although truthfully I have no issue with religion being discussed or even incorporated in schools as long as it's not mandatory or presented as an absolute. All I'm saying is that I don't believe this film is "anti-religion." I simply have trouble believing that it really has any significant impact on someone with a strong faith, by the Book, or that any child is traumatized by it (HS-aged especially). If we remove all teachings because they may contradict any religion's principles, where do we stop? I really think this has been blown way out of proportion, but I'm not easily offended so I'm trying to be sensitive. Having a hard time though, sorry. | |
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