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leefamilyUser is Offline

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07/16/2007 8:22 AM Alert 
Why is it that every thread I read on here is someone asking for "PROOF" of something. Perhaps those that just want to argue and combat religion and question Christianity should just STOP already. It's really annoying.

Let me explain something very simply to those of you who want to argue about religion.

You can not, will not, sway a good Christian. You can try all you want to change their views and question their beliefs, and while you THINK you're making them wonder if you're right or not, you're not. All you are doing is making their faith stronger and chances are they're praying for you. You can not change a Christian, we have the word of God and that is so much more powerful than your word.

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07/16/2007 8:25 AM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 8:22 AM
Why is it that every thread I read on here is someone asking for "PROOF" of something. Perhaps those that just want to argue and combat religion and question Christianity should just STOP already. It's really annoying.

Let me explain something very simply to those of you who want to argue about religion.

You can not, will not, sway a good Christian. You can try all you want to change their views and question their beliefs, and while you THINK you're making them wonder if you're right or not, you're not. All you are doing is making their faith stronger and chances are they're praying for you. You can not change a Christian, we have the word of God and that is so much more powerful than your word.




The world hates "haters", unless those hated are Christians! Go figure!
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07/16/2007 8:48 AM Alert 
exactly. I just don't understand... people ask a Christian for 'proof' then when the response is from the bible it just doesn't seem to be good enough. That is proof, they asked for it and were given the answers. I guess they are waiting for God himself to interrupt.
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07/16/2007 10:33 AM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 8:48 AM
exactly. I guess they are waiting for God himself to interrupt.




that's the only way i would believe.... it's funny my youngest ask the other day if wishing upon a falling star will make the wish come true... my wife, the religious one, said no that just something people made up...go figure prayer are supposed to work????

Hellooooo... i can see a falling star. I have more belief those wishes would come true before anything asked of "someone" NO ONE has EVER seen

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07/16/2007 10:35 AM Alert 
It's called having Faith.....

If you have Faith... it's all the proof you need!

If you don't have faith... you will find your self looking for Proof!!

hows that?

Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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07/16/2007 10:44 AM Alert 
I've known people to espouse tolerance for nearly everything under the sun, but they can't contain themselves when it comes to insulting or stereotyping Christians.

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07/16/2007 10:54 AM Alert 
Posted By TheBoymaker on 07/16/2007 10:44 AM
I've known people to espouse tolerance for nearly everything under the sun, but they can't contain themselves when it comes to insulting or stereotyping Christians.




Of course this could be said about people of all beliefs.
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07/16/2007 10:57 AM Alert 
Yeah, the thing is if you're a Christian, you have your proof, that's why Christians never ask for the proof. It comes from so many different things that those who don't believe unfortunately will never experience. Really too bad for them. All the proof one should need is all around. Flowers, the sun, the planets, animals, bugs, trees, innocent babies, love, the STARS, the sky, the moon, MAN, WOMAN. Sure, you can say that we were created from a single cell organism, but if that's true (and I have no idea) WHO gave that organism life????????? hhhmmmmm. Funny thing is if we evolved from monkeys, why aren't monkeys evolving into humans anymore, why are there still monkeys, why are humans evolving into I don't know, aliens???? HHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM
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07/16/2007 11:52 AM Alert 
It is FAITH :

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
synonym see BELIEF
- on faith : without question
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07/16/2007 3:11 PM Alert 
Isn't part of being a Christian "spreading the Word"? If one way of spreading the Word is to debate Creationism vs Evolutionism, why is that bad?

If a non-Christian is asking questions about the Bible or Faith or Christianity, doesn't that mean they are seeking? Those who seek Him will find Him. Is it possible to seek with your mind hoping that your heart and soul will follow? Can those who are not blessed with the grace of Faith seek?

For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:28)

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (Matthew 10:14)
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07/16/2007 3:38 PM Alert 
I spread the word by my actions. I don't have to tell anyone about anything. they should already know that I am:
1. A human being with may faults
2. A person with a good heart and will do many things for his fellow human being's.
3. Would do unto others as he would want them to do unto him.
4. If a person looks at me and says.."That Ricci is an alright guy" I consider my work done. Because maybe I have just touched that person in a way that will inspire them to want to be an Alright guy/gal. If the world was full of Alright people... maybe we could have some sort of peace!

Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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07/16/2007 3:45 PM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 10:57 AM
Sure, you can say that we were created from a single cell organism, but if that's true (and I have no idea) WHO gave that organism life????????? hhhmmmmm. Funny thing is if we evolved from monkeys, why aren't monkeys evolving into humans anymore, why are there still monkeys, why are humans evolving into I don't know, aliens???? HHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM



Who gave that organism life?
- I don't know, but what I can be absolutely sure of is that NO ONE knows. A gap in knowledge does not mean "God".

On evolution:
- Have you never studied evolution, because what you just outlined does not make a bit of sense. Humans did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor. Why aren't we still evolving? Who says we're not? How long do you think evolution takes? I guess if you believe the universe is only 6000 years old, then you may evolution seems pretty far-fetched. Then again, if you go by the scientifically accepted 4.5 billion years old, the evolution seems much more likely.

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07/16/2007 3:47 PM Alert 
Posted By maricopacabana on 07/16/2007 10:54 AM
Posted By TheBoymaker on 07/16/2007 10:44 AM
I've known people to espouse tolerance for nearly everything under the sun, but they can't contain themselves when it comes to insulting or stereotyping Christians.


Of course this could be said about people of all beliefs.


I definitely agree!

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07/16/2007 3:58 PM Alert 
No I don't know much about evolution. I was an English major not a science major. What I do remember from my college days is that yes it was once (maybe since then theories have changed, but funny how all Christians still believe God created life after all these years) that we evolved from apes. I believe in evolution to a certain extent, don't get me wrong. We all know about the gallapagos birds and well, lizards that had to evolve to survive. I myself find the thought of a single celled organism, if even a billiion years later, becoming human quite a stretch. That's MY feeling on it, you my fellow American are free to think whatever you want. But, here we go... you trying to debunk Christianity.
So, since you're educated in science, how did it all get here??? I happen to think that God created all living things, but if you have another theory, I'd be interested in hearing it.

The purpose of my post was for people to stop using this as a Christianity bashing 'cause it's getting very old.
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07/16/2007 4:32 PM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 3:58 PM
No I don't know much about evolution. I was an English major not a science major. What I do remember from my college days is that yes it was once (maybe since then theories have changed, but funny how all Christians still believe God created life after all these years) that we evolved from apes. I believe in evolution to a certain extent, don't get me wrong. We all know about the gallapagos birds and well, lizards that had to evolve to survive. I myself find the thought of a single celled organism, if even a billiion years later, becoming human quite a stretch. That's MY feeling on it, you my fellow American are free to think whatever you want. But, here we go... you trying to debunk Christianity.
So, since you're educated in science, how did it all get here??? I happen to think that God created all living things, but if you have another theory, I'd be interested in hearing it.

The purpose of my post was for people to stop using this as a Christianity bashing 'cause it's getting very old.


A common misconception about evolution is that people think it tries to explain/replace creation. If fact, it explains diversity. You may "find the thought of a single celled organism, if even a billion years later, becoming human quite a stretch", but I find belief in mysticism an even greater stretch.

"I happen to think that God created all living things, but if you have another theory, I'd be interested in hearing it."
- I don't know. I don't have a theory, nor do I hold certain theories above other. I just don't know. I guess the two big ones are the "Big Bang" and "God". Either way, both face the problem of what came before them. If "God" always was, then why can't the universe have always been?

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07/16/2007 4:46 PM Alert 
I can understand your point. I'm just not educated enough in science to really say - I just know where my foundation comes from and I guess it's just enough for me. It's all I need. Not that I'm close minded, because I'm really not. I can see though where you're coming from. For instance, I don't believe in aliens because I've never seen them. However, I do believe in God, because I have felt him and I have seen what His love has done for me and others.
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07/16/2007 5:15 PM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 4:46 PM
I can understand your point. I'm just not educated enough in science to really say - I just know where my foundation comes from and I guess it's just enough for me. It's all I need. Not that I'm close minded, because I'm really not. I can see though where you're coming from. For instance, I don't believe in aliens because I've never seen them. However, I do believe in God, because I have felt him and I have seen what His love has done for me and others.


That's fine if it's enough for you, and I'm happy for you if that's all you need. I used to religious, but never "felt" god. I understand what you mean by this, and how you've interpreted his "love" doing something for yourself and others, but I also understand the power of the human mind and psychosomatic response. I think that belief can be a very powerful thing, but only in a sense that the strength lies in believing and not in the thing believed actually being real. Some people find it comforting to believe in something greater than themselves... a "Higher Power" or a god. I don't.

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07/17/2007 8:59 AM Alert 
OMG!!!! We are Monkeys?

Really, in light of this subject would it be proper to say that we has simple humans will never really know the truth? I believe in many different reasons why we are here, but am skeptical how we arrived here. Since this subject is about religion, would we agree that since the dawn of man and intelligence, man has sought after some type of "supreme Being"? I believe that I personally don't need proof of anything except that I need to do the right thing in my life and raise my kids with values, take care of my family,friends, don't break laws, contribute to something far greater than myself. The only value in ones life is being remembered by one person for doing something that impacted their life. So has anyone proven one theory or believe more substantial? I would have to most likely say no.
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07/17/2007 8:59 AM Alert 
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07/17/2007 11:14 AM Alert 
Posted By leefamily on 07/16/2007 10:57 AM
Yeah, the thing is if you're a Christian, you have your proof, that's why Christians never ask for the proof. It comes from so many different things that those who don't believe unfortunately will never experience. Really too bad for them. All the proof one should need is all around. Flowers, the sun, the planets, animals, bugs, trees, innocent babies, love, the STARS, the sky, the moon, MAN, WOMAN.




ROFLMFAO, sweetie, all these things on your list predate christianity. by a whole lot. christianity is a 2000 year old religion. period. end of story. all those things on your list are equally sacred to a pagan. also, how can you call the bible proof of anything? it was written by men. specifically men. misogynistic men at that! my personal opinion is that is was written by 6 guys who got tired of playing poker and needed something new to do on wednesday nights. no proof there!
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