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8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 8:29 AM |
Alert | 75% of the US population is Christian, 10 % are Atheist. 75% of prisoners are Christian, 0.2% are Atheist. thoughts? | | | |
| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 8:58 AM |
Alert | Of course there are no atheist in Prison, they realized they already wasted their earthly life so while in prison many convert to Christianity and now their focus is on eternal life. Plus according to the Bible, most people who call themselves Christians are not really true Christians so that number is not accurate. Your stats are pointless. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 9:05 AM |
Alert | Plus nobody said Christians were perfect  | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 9:12 AM |
Alert | wasted their earthly life? not nice of you to put your fellow christians down like that.
75% of US pop and 75% of prison pop both being christian seems pretty consistent to me. Even if Atheists were converting, that would still mean that at least 65% of the prison pop was Christian going in. Yeah Christians sure do have a different set of morals. Of course for even that # to be possible 100% of the atheist population would have to be in prison, and that's just not possible. | | | |
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 9:12 AM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:05 AM Plus nobody said Christians were perfect 
but they do claim to have a higher set of morals. obviously that's not accurate.
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 9:14 AM |
Alert | | question, why aren't any of these prisoners converting to mormonism? Mormons only represent .4% of the prison population. | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 9:17 AM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:12 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:05 AM Plus nobody said Christians were perfect 
but they do claim to have a higher set of morals. obviously that's not accurate.
I understand what you are saying. And I what I said earlier I believe is the main reason for it. Plus according to the Bible, most people who call themselves Christians are not really true Christians so that number is not accurate. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


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| 02/23/2008 9:22 AM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:14 AM
question, why aren't any of these prisoners converting to mormonism? Mormons only represent .4% of the prison population. The Mormons don't bother with them since the prisoners don't work and can't contribute money to their enterprise? I don't know, perhaps they are not as clueless as we thought they were.  | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | | |
| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 9:47 AM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:17 AM Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:12 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:05 AM Plus nobody said Christians were perfect 
but they do claim to have a higher set of morals. obviously that's not accurate.
I understand what you are saying. And I what I said earlier I believe is the main reason for it. Plus according to the Bible, most people who call themselves Christians are not really true Christians so that number is not accurate.
Since they've probably all read the bible (plenty of time to do that) and thus know that there is a difference between christians and "true christians" , wouldn't those that answered christian to the survey be true christians? | | | |
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 9:50 AM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:22 AM Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:14 AM
question, why aren't any of these prisoners converting to mormonism? Mormons only represent .4% of the prison population. The Mormons don't bother with them since the prisoners don't work and can't contribute money to their enterprise? I don't know, perhaps they are not as clueless as we thought they were.  If prisones are converting, I think it's more a monkey see monkey do scenerio (no offense to our evolutionary cousins, it's just an expression)
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| | RichTig
Posts:1191


 | | 02/23/2008 10:07 AM |
Alert | Prisoners have nothing to do but read all the famous fables: Aesop, Mother Goose, the Bible, the Koran and other works of fiction. | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 10:12 AM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:47 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:17 AM Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 9:12 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 9:05 AM Plus nobody said Christians were perfect 
but they do claim to have a higher set of morals. obviously that's not accurate.
I understand what you are saying. And I what I said earlier I believe is the main reason for it. Plus according to the Bible, most people who call themselves Christians are not really true Christians so that number is not accurate.
Since they've probably all read the bible (plenty of time to do that) and thus know that there is a difference between christians and "true christians" , wouldn't those that answered christian to the survey be true christians? Reading the whole bible multiple times doesn't mean you understand it. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 10:17 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 02/23/2008 10:07 AM Prisoners have nothing to do but read all the famous fables: Aesop, Mother Goose, the Bible, the Koran and other works of fiction. Can you prove the Bible is fiction? Please share the information you have learned from your extensive research that warrents categorizing the Bible as fiction. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 10:22 AM |
Alert | | for starters, we know the earth is 6000 years old. that count? | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 10:26 AM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 10:22 AM
for starters, we know the earth is 6000 years old. that count? Do you know how or where Christians get the 6000-10,000 year old earth from? | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | 8DaysDazed
Posts:81

 | | 02/23/2008 10:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 10:26 AM Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 10:22 AM
for starters, we know the earth is 6000 years old. that count? Do you know how or where Christians get the 6000-10,000 year old earth from?
Fantasy Land? | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:1191


 | | 02/23/2008 10:35 AM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 10:17 AM Posted By RichTig on 02/23/2008 10:07 AM Prisoners have nothing to do but read all the famous fables: Aesop, Mother Goose, the Bible, the Koran and other works of fiction. Can you prove the Bible is fiction? Please share the information you have learned from your extensive research that warrents categorizing the Bible as fiction. A penchant for exaggeration:The bible simply cannot simply tell a story. It exaggerates to the point of being absurd. For example, it describes a flood that is so great in magnitude that the highest land-based mountains are subjmerged. While there is evidence that flooding occured in the area, there is absolutely no evidence for a flood of this size.
Science: The bible is completely at odds with practically every branch of science. It states that humans and other animals were created as is. Evolutionary biology has the evidence that says we and the other animals evolved over the course of millions of years. The Bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. Various branches of the physical sciences (astronomy and geology for example) have the evidence that the earth is billions of years old and that the universe itself is even older that it. Archaeology and anthropology undermine the uniqueness and factualness of the Bible stories (ie, the flood of Noah is older than the biblical account, the collapsed wall of Jericho predates the biblical story). Magic: The bible promotes a view that is completely at odds with how we understand the universe and all things in it. Polite people call that view “supernatural in origin”. I call it plain ole “magic “. Magic in the bible includes a talking snake, a talking donkey, a tree that makes you smart, a tree that makes you immune to death, food falling from the skies, rods turning into snakes, water being turned into blood, water coming out of a rock, people rising from the dead, the sun standing still, witches resurrecting the dead, non-corporeal finger writing on walls, people taking three day rides in the stomach of a whale, virgins giving birth and countless angels and demons inserting themselves into the affairs here on earth. Accordingly, this view promotes the idea that reality can be suspended at any moment without warning and makes dealing with said reality near impossible. Other Books:The Bible is not unique in claiming to be the word of a god and is in fact just one of many such works. Other such works include (but not limited to): - Qur’an (Islam)
- Egyptian Book of the Dead (spells & rules concerning the afterlife for ancient Egyptians)
- Vedas (Hindu)
- Bhagavad Gitas (Hindu)
- Tantras (Buddhism)
- Adi Granth (Sikhism)
- Purvas (Jainism)
- Tripitaka (Pali, Chinese & Tibetan - Buddhism)
- Tao Te Ching (Buddhism)
- Book of Mormon (Christianity: Latter Day Saints)
- Dianetics (Scienteology)
The “Bible” itself can be found in various versions with Jews having their version, Catholics having theirs and Protestants having yet another. There are dozens, if not more, different translations in English alone with various specialized versions for (amongst others) women, children and people of colour (cannot find an online source, but it is called the Afro Bible IIRC). There are other reasons also such as the often bizarre, dangerous and violent behaviour of bible-believers against themselves as well as others. Bible verses are routinely used as reasons for assaulting children, withholding medical care, physical mutilation, xenophobic tendencies, denial of pleasure and many other things. In conclusion, the Bible has played a dreadful role in our history. It is full of errors, contradictions and absurdities. The problems we have overcome have been in spite of, not because of the Bible. It has been through the application of reason and science that we have overcome the things it has condoned, even demanded. Pretending otherwise is plain silly. How about those reasons, for starters? | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 10:41 AM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 10:32 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 10:26 AM Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/23/2008 10:22 AM
for starters, we know the earth is 6000 years old. that count? Do you know how or where Christians get the 6000-10,000 year old earth from?
Fantasy Land? Mockery is your goal here, I see. Here is a tip to help you in the future, you should not try to argue against the other side if you can't explain that person's view to that person. I know how and why you get your numbers and facts. Sadly, you don't know mine. So why argue against what you don't know about. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | EEE
Posts:319


 | | 02/23/2008 10:48 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 02/23/2008 10:35 AM Posted By EEE on 02/23/2008 10:17 AM Posted By RichTig on 02/23/2008 10:07 AM Prisoners have nothing to do but read all the famous fables: Aesop, Mother Goose, the Bible, the Koran and other works of fiction. Can you prove the Bible is fiction? Please share the information you have learned from your extensive research that warrents categorizing the Bible as fiction. A penchant for exaggeration:The bible simply cannot simply tell a story. It exaggerates to the point of being absurd. For example, it describes a flood that is so great in magnitude that the highest land-based mountains are subjmerged. While there is evidence that flooding occured in the area, there is absolutely no evidence for a flood of this size.
Science: The bible is completely at odds with practically every branch of science. It states that humans and other animals were created as is. Evolutionary biology has the evidence that says we and the other animals evolved over the course of millions of years. The Bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. Various branches of the physical sciences (astronomy and geology for example) have the evidence that the earth is billions of years old and that the universe itself is even older that it. Archaeology and anthropology undermine the uniqueness and factualness of the Bible stories (ie, the flood of Noah is older than the biblical account, the collapsed wall of Jericho predates the biblical story). Magic: The bible promotes a view that is completely at odds with how we understand the universe and all things in it. Polite people call that view “supernatural in origin”. I call it plain ole “magic “. Magic in the bible includes a talking snake, a talking donkey, a tree that makes you smart, a tree that makes you immune to death, food falling from the skies, rods turning into snakes, water being turned into blood, water coming out of a rock, people rising from the dead, the sun standing still, witches resurrecting the dead, non-corporeal finger writing on walls, people taking three day rides in the stomach of a whale, virgins giving birth and countless angels and demons inserting themselves into the affairs here on earth. Accordingly, this view promotes the idea that reality can be suspended at any moment without warning and makes dealing with said reality near impossible. Other Books:The Bible is not unique in claiming to be the word of a god and is in fact just one of many such works. Other such works include (but not limited to): - Qur’an (Islam)
- Egyptian Book of the Dead (spells & rules concerning the afterlife for ancient Egyptians)
- Vedas (Hindu)
- Bhagavad Gitas (Hindu)
- Tantras (Buddhism)
- Adi Granth (Sikhism)
- Purvas (Jainism)
- Tripitaka (Pali, Chinese & Tibetan - Buddhism)
- Tao Te Ching (Buddhism)
- Book of Mormon (Christianity: Latter Day Saints)
- Dianetics (Scienteology)
The “Bible” itself can be found in various versions with Jews having their version, Catholics having theirs and Protestants having yet another. There are dozens, if not more, different translations in English alone with various specialized versions for (amongst others) women, children and people of colour (cannot find an online source, but it is called the Afro Bible IIRC). There are other reasons also such as the often bizarre, dangerous and violent behaviour of bible-believers against themselves as well as others. Bible verses are routinely used as reasons for assaulting children, withholding medical care, physical mutilation, xenophobic tendencies, denial of pleasure and many other things. In conclusion, the Bible has played a dreadful role in our history. It is full of errors, contradictions and absurdities. The problems we have overcome have been in spite of, not because of the Bible. It has been through the application of reason and science that we have overcome the things it has condoned, even demanded. Pretending otherwise is plain silly. How about those reasons, for starters? LOL, I see your extensive research is a .43 second search result from google. I could have found a better argument against the bible then those, ROFL. However, if you truley believe what this person wrote, I will address these points later after I go out and enjoy my Saturday. | | I smile now knowing there is no time in heaven to cry later. | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:1191


 | | 02/23/2008 10:53 AM |
Alert | Yup, it took all of .43 seconds to blow your silly beliefs out of the water. I am surprised that you haven't found these yourself. | | | |
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