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RichTig
Posts:0
 | | 01/08/2008 3:42 PM |
 Alert | | Isn't the LDS church one of the largest business and land owners in Utah? Do they really need 10% still? | | | |
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| | justincredible02
Posts:25
| | 01/10/2008 10:58 AM |
Alert | Here are the questions you'll be asked before you're allowed in the temple. LDS Temple Questions.. Check out #10
1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?
2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?
3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?
4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?
5 Do you live the law of chastity?
6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?
9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
10 Are you a full-tithe payer?
11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?
12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?
13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:
Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?
14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?
15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
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| | Bossgator
Posts:19
| | 01/17/2008 5:16 AM |
Alert | Agreed, Jesus doesn't seem to want any particular religion. Keep in mind that it is mankind that created "religion" in all it's various forms, as well as the various denominations of Christianity.
In the end, it is God that is Judge, so what we think is irrelevant, and that makes this thread's question a moot point! No disrespect intended, as I understand the curiosity.
Remember that the New Testament says the Kingdom of God is within you. It's got nothing at all to do with temples, buildings, clothing, or anything material at all. He warned of this in Matthew when He talked of all the various rules and regulations than man places on each other, when He said"...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men..."
The believer is to look inward to the inspiration and direction of the Holy Ghost to teach you what to do, and how to act. This is why it says that when you pray, do it in private, not to be seen of men. And IF you give an offering, you do it in secret, not while sitting in a church pew when the plate gets passed around!
Also remember what He had to say to His followers when they wanted to show Him the temple and all the buildings. He wasn't impressed at all, and said that they all would be destroyed, because as it also says that this world is temporal, while salvation is eternal. This world, and all it's matrials are of no worth at all, and God could care less about the fancy buildings these churches have built. It is man that looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.
Jesus constantly reminded them that the poor you have always, and to take care of them, be it materially or spiritually. How can you do that when your congregation just spent millions on a new temple? It's a disgrace to see all these massive churches and temples while the poor are sleeping on our streets.
The Pharisee of old and today will have their day in judgment for all the lies that they have taught the masses, and it won't be a pretty sight! | |
In the end, all that's left is the truth!" - Bossgator | |
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| | djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/17/2008 1:22 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bossgator on 01/17/2008 5:16 AM
Agreed, Jesus doesn't seem to want any particular religion. Keep in mind that it is mankind that created "religion" in all it's various forms, as well as the various denominations of Christianity.
In the end, it is God that is Judge, so what we think is irrelevant, and that makes this thread's question a moot point! No disrespect intended, as I understand the curiosity.
Remember that the New Testament says the Kingdom of God is within you. It's got nothing at all to do with temples, buildings, clothing, or anything material at all. He warned of this in Matthew when He talked of all the various rules and regulations than man places on each other, when He said"...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men..."
The believer is to look inward to the inspiration and direction of the Holy Ghost to teach you what to do, and how to act. This is why it says that when you pray, do it in private, not to be seen of men. And IF you give an offering, you do it in secret, not while sitting in a church pew when the plate gets passed around!
Also remember what He had to say to His followers when they wanted to show Him the temple and all the buildings. He wasn't impressed at all, and said that they all would be destroyed, because as it also says that this world is temporal, while salvation is eternal. This world, and all it's matrials are of no worth at all, and God could care less about the fancy buildings these churches have built. It is man that looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.
Jesus constantly reminded them that the poor you have always, and to take care of them, be it materially or spiritually. How can you do that when your congregation just spent millions on a new temple? It's a disgrace to see all these massive churches and temples while the poor are sleeping on our streets.
The Pharisee of old and today will have their day in judgment for all the lies that they have taught the masses, and it won't be a pretty sight!
You guys act like thats all that the lds spends its money on is chapels and temples. What about the millions that was sent to all the natural disasters in the last 2 years. How about all the money the church puts into helping other countries in Africa, Asia and South America. How about the thousands of service missionaries outside the us helping these people in third world countries. If you really want to talk about it how about all the money the church puts into its domestic welfare system for the poor in the us. The point is there are many faiths out there that believe in Christ as their savior and redeemer. Every one of them has things that others might disagree with. But to my knowledge most have done much good in the world. I guess my point is if the faith we follow helps us to be better to ourselves and others and come closer to christ isn't that what really matters. | |
"If everyone had the right priorities in life there would always be a shortage of fishing poles"
Mark Twain | |
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| | Bossgator
Posts:19
| | 01/18/2008 7:35 AM |
Alert | I think it's safe to say that all the various religions do something for the less fortunate, so that isn't in dispute. It is also not my place, or anyone elses to judge the intent (which comes from the heart) of others. As I referenced, it is man that looks on the outward appearance. The Bible also says clearly that you'll know someone by their "fruit".
I'm well aware of the various outreach activities of the LDS and others. I applaud their efforts, though I personally feel there should be more focus at home, versus overseas from US-based organizations. So long as we still have homelessness and children going hungry and in need of proper medical attention, no one can justify offering aid in another country. Even the Bible talks of taking care of your own house first. Remember that the next time you have to step over some homeless person on your way to the airport for mission work in another country!
Isolationism is not a particularly productive way of going about things in general, but when it comes to the welfare of our own citizens, it couldn't be more appropriate. We should be spending all our funds here first, then IF there is any left over after we have taken care of our fellow Americans, we can focus abroad.
I hate the fact that any humans are suffering, but we must take care of our own first.
As for religious buildings, your not getting the point. My position is not an attack on the LDS specifically, it's directed at every religion on the planet. There is no justification for spending millions on buildings for the "gathering of yourselves together" when Americans are homeless, period. Charity is about self-denial for the benefit of others. Hold your church services in a cheap metal building or even a tent, so that you maximize the use of funds for helping those who really have a need. From the Mormon temples, the Crystal Cathedral in SoCal, to all those ornate gothic eye-sores of the Catholic Church, all of them are wasted funds on the selfishness of the believers desire to remain comfy and to proclaim to all how "faithful" they are. What a joke!
Some people either refuse or abuse help. That's a sad fact. These are not the people I'm talking about. You can offer only so much before you have to make the hard decision that a person simply refuses to help themselves. This is where Jesus was talking about teaching a man to fish, and not just giving them fish to eat. We should help people as much as they want to help themselves. Give people the opportunity to better their own lives, after that, it's up to them whether or not they make use of it in a responsible way.
In the end, we can agree to disagree. And everyone needs to decide for themselves. I have simply stated my personal position. Like the Bible says, "Let every man be fully pursuaded in his own mind." | |
In the end, all that's left is the truth!" - Bossgator | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:2589
| | 01/18/2008 3:00 PM |
Alert | | Jesus was Jewish..... | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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|  | djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/19/2008 6:53 PM |
Alert | | he wasn't christian lol :-) j/k | |
"If everyone had the right priorities in life there would always be a shortage of fishing poles"
Mark Twain | |
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