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love@hm
Posts:477
 | | 12/05/2007 6:32 PM |
 Alert | My husband does not keep me barefoot or pregnant. I do not bow down to his every need or desire. I have as much say in my home as he does. I can work if I choose – but I choose to stay home, similar to many mothers who are not LDS. I vote how I want to vote, and sometimes that is different than my husband. I can have my own thoughts – and like having my own thoughts, and if my husband doesn’t agree with me – that’s OK. I can spend money when I want to, I can go for a drive, I can read whatever books I choose and watch whatever TV I choose. I can even choose to stay home from church.
We do not live as if it is centuries past. We wear pants. We wear shorts and we even go swimming, run marathons, volunteer, have mobile phones, and argue with our husbands. Many of us RUN businesses from home, others of us have successful careers outside of the home. While it is true we are told our primary duty is to nurture and care for our children, the church does not dictate whether or not we work.
I am more familiar with our finances. I tell my husband when and when not to spend money. We decide together how to raise our children, but truthfully, I get my way in this area more often. As I once heard at conference, and I’m certain moinmoin probably has the direct quote, women were once describe (this would be the quote) as being the neck which holds the head up.
It is true I do not hold the priesthood. I’m OK with that. I actually do not want the responsibility. I am blessed to have a husband who holds the priesthood. He is here to bless us through the Lord’s power. It isn’t that his prayers are answered more, but he is able to give direct blessings, using the words given to him for our family. What a blessing that is in my home. He is able to lead us in righteousness. However, women are counseled to NOT follow their husbands’ unrighteous desires, and on top of that, we are also told to pray for ourselves, study for ourselves - to know for ourselves.
I am a strong woman with a loud mouth. I think, feel and talk for myself. Sometimes my husband wishes I would shut-up, especially here, but I choose not to. He loves me anyway. He doesn’t criticize me or force me to do things I would choose to do differently. I do not want any different in my life. I am no more a slave to my husband than you are to your spouse. I have a happy home and a wonderful marriage.
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| | love@hm
Posts:477
| | 12/05/2007 6:32 PM |
Alert | | Obviously, that is a typo in the title. | | | |
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| | justincredible02
Posts:25
| | 12/06/2007 9:06 AM |
Alert | I've seen this show. It's called Big Love.
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 12/06/2007 9:31 AM |
Alert | | I am women hear me ROAR!!! | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | luv the copa
Posts:178
| | 12/06/2007 3:23 PM |
Alert | I know that I have been barefoot and I have been pregnant, but I have never been required to be both :o)
Thanks love@hm for sharing your thoughts. I think we have all been thinking the same thing. I have been married to Joe for over 15 years and there is a great deal of mutual respect between the two of us and our children. I tribute most of that to the high standards and morals that we are taught as Christians and LDS people. I think most Christian and religious people are taught the same way. We are not as different as some would like to say. It's sad when some have personally been burned by any group and blame the entire organization for their pain.
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Changing lives one diaper at a time since 1993.
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 12/06/2007 6:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By justincredible02 on 12/06/2007 9:06 AM
I've seen this show. It's called Big Love.
GREAT show!
LDS looks fun. Sign me up! | | | |
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|  | AZ Dreaming
Posts:286
| | 12/14/2007 11:31 AM |
Alert | You say you are independent and strong, then turn around and say you are glad you do not have the responsibility and/or leadership in your home. You are glad he has that and that he is better at it (and as a man he should be according to your religion). You don't see the contradiction in this?
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| | love@hm
Posts:477
| | 12/14/2007 1:16 PM |
Alert | Are we putting words in my mouth just for the sake of doing it or are you trying to start an argument.
First of all, I did not say ANYTHING about not having leadership in my home. I said I wasn't concerned about not holding the priesthood, and not feeling the need of that SPIRITUAL responsiblity - there is a lot of it. I NEVER said ANYTHING about him being BETTER at leading.
I ALSO talked about the spiritual responsiblity of a woman to NOT simply follow, but to know for herself.
Lets put this is different terms. You have your clergy - those whom you would go to for spiritual guidance. You go to them with your concerns with those difficult times in your life, your happiness and your spiritual joys. They have a responsiblity to help you, to tell you what they believe the Lord would have you do. This is a great responsiblity - higher than the responsiblity you have. But you are still very grateful to have this available to you. Sometimes you feel the need to pray about something, maybe even all of it, because you don't feel right about it. You may pray together, you may pray separately. Either way, I hope you don't take your clergy's word, just because they are a person of God.
I could be wrong, but I'm assuming in most Christian churches there is someone above others. A priest above a deacon (vs versa), etc. It is part of how it is laid out. Well, our DH, our fathers - they are a part of how it is laid out in our church. We believe they have a direct line to Christ's priesthood - the priesthood was bestowed upon Joseph Smith. Now, I know you do not believe this, and I'm not asking you to, and I won't argue the point, but what I'm saying is, where you have your clergy simply in your churches - we in essance have them in our homes. I can question my DH in the same way you can question your clergy.
I fail to see where me following the righteous desires of my DH and not wanting the responsiblity of holding the priesthood is any different than you following your clergy and not wanting to be one yourself. . .
I will foresee the next comment, "But I can become a clergy if I want to."
True, you probably can, and I do not have the ablity to hold the priesthood, even if I want to. I suppose there are women in the LDS faith who believe this is wrong - I've even run into a few, however, they generally are not strong in their faith. I feel differently. You do not have to agree with me, I don't expect you to, but be respectful, just like you will find (in every post I have ever written) I am respectful of yours.
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:728
| | 12/14/2007 1:53 PM |
Alert | It's hard to force people to understand living by religious convictions. When they believe the religion is man-made, then it seems to be little more than a manipulation that people willingly submit to. That makes those religious people fools.
If you don't have the stirring of faith inside, if you don't desire to communicate and to put your trust in a being who you cannot see, or hear or feel, then religion is naturally useless. But if you do experience those things, they are so deeply felt and so very natural to you, that it's woven into your being like a thread. You can't make people understand or truly respect that you believe something that they consider to be little more than a fairy tale.
I've heard people say "Because of people like (insert name here), I could never be a Christan (or whatever)". But that's not true. People don't turn one another off of religion, as most thinking persons know that a religion is a philosophy, not an individual. It comes from within. It can't be denied. Even when I am frustrated with, or angry with God, I can't not believe in Him. Even when I screw up and fail to meet my own standards, it doesn't detract from Him. Even when others disagree with my faith, it doesn't invalidate Him. | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:477
| | 12/14/2007 2:18 PM |
Alert | Just wanting to make certain my intent by asking to be respected is understood as I meant it. I am not asking ANYONE to believe what I do, or even to understand it. The BoyMaker, I appreciated your post. What you said is very true. I am asking only that comments be kind in their critism, questions about a faith you have not lived are ALWAYS better placed explanations of what the beliefs are. I do not mind when people talk about how they could never believe the same as I do. That is fine. I don't mind when people say they do not believe in God - they have that choice.
Basically, I am not asking for anyone to be a respector of faith, but a respector of persons - there is a difference. | | | |
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| | luv the copa
Posts:178
| | 12/14/2007 2:28 PM |
Alert | Boymaker I, too appreciate and whole heartedly agree with your post.
To others who feel so much emotion about our religion I will instead just feel sorry for you that you are so bitter and hung up on the way others live. I will say that if you think that there is no room for an independent woman in our religion you have not met as many of us as you claim. I grew up LDS in west Texas baptist country. I was very much the minority and did not understand much about their religion. I did at least show respect to others and try to treat others as I wanted to be treated. It was usually reciprocated back to me. I have found as Joe and I moved around the country in our air force years that people are people and we re-met the same people everywhere we went. There were some that were funny, cranky, ornery, serious, hard workers, judgemental, kind etc. I guess the choice is up to all of us as to whether we want to be bitter about others that we have no control over or we can move on. I have always believed that the energy we spend worrying about what others do and think is so wasted....that person probably doesn't know we think about it or even that we exist. There are good and bad everywhere...but please note from this VERY independent woman, that I do not get that ruffled over your anger, and you should not get so worked up over someone else's life choices....it will just stress you (which is obvious by the venim pouring from your every word) and cause you to die sooner:o) Enjoy life..embrace differences and try to find the good in individual people if you can't find it in their religion. I suppose I should be honored that you are that concerned in my well being to take such a stance on how mistreated you think we are. | |
Changing lives one diaper at a time since 1993.
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| | CODEBLEU
Posts:202
| | 12/19/2007 8:17 PM |
Alert | What are the requirements for a man to hold the designation of priesthood within the Mormon Religion? Do they attend seminary for a specific amount of years or is it something they earn by going on a 2 year mission for the LDS Church?
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| | luv the copa
Posts:178
| | 12/19/2007 8:59 PM |
Alert | Posted By CODEBLEU on 12/19/2007 8:17 PM
What are the requirements for a man to hold the designation of priesthood within the Mormon Religion? Do they attend seminary for a specific amount of years or is it something they earn by going on a 2 year mission for the LDS Church?
It is based on pure worthiness. In that I mean how one lives his life. Is he chaste, honest, good to others...basically following the same 10 commandments that most Christians adhere to. It can change at any time. Should a man decide to not abide by this life style he can leave, should he be abiding by a lower conduct and decide to change his conduct to those standards set he can eventually receive the preisthood. Any worthy male member can hold the preisthood should he desire. | |
Changing lives one diaper at a time since 1993.
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| | darin45
Posts:145
| | 01/02/2008 12:49 PM |
Alert | | are u required to wear "garments" under all your clothes daily once your married? or is that an old practice? | |
"...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 01/02/2008 1:02 PM |
Alert | | LDS women go 'commando' . | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:477
| | 01/02/2008 1:20 PM |
Alert | Darin,
Anyone, married or not, who has been through the temple wear garments under our clothing every day. We believe the garment to be very sacred - a reminder of the covenants we have made.
"commando" is going a little above and beyond how they are worn. But they are worn next to the skin, and generally REPLACE the traditional underwear. | | | |
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| | moinmoin
Posts:394
| | 01/02/2008 1:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By CODEBLEU on 12/19/2007 8:17 PM
What are the requirements for a man to hold the designation of priesthood within the Mormon Religion? Do they attend seminary for a specific amount of years or is it something they earn by going on a 2 year mission for the LDS Church?
All local callings and offices in the LDS Church are done through a lay clergy; there is no seminary training. Men must be ordained to the priesthood before serving their two-year mission.
All worthy males may be ordained to the Aaronic, or preparatory, priesthood at the age of 12, as determined by their bishop, the local ecclesiastical leader. This allows them to bless and administer the sacrament (bread and water) to the congregation, baptize (under the direction of the bishop), collect fast offering donations, etc.
Men may be ordained to the Melchizedek, or high, priesthood beginning at the age of 18, but the worthiness, commitment, and understanding standards are much more rigorous. Interviews with the local bishop and stake president (presiding over around ten bishops and their congregations) determine a candidate's worthiness and readiness. This priesthood enables one to lay on hands to heal the sick, give the gift of the Holy Ghost, bless and name infants, preside and adminsiter in leadership positions, etc.
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