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richfellow
Posts:233
 | | 07/18/2007 9:37 AM |
 Alert | Posted By rattle2 on 07/18/2007 8:29 AM The religion thread is open to anyone who wants to participate. It is not restricted only to those who agree with or disagree with a religious point of view or belief. $0.02 
I maybe wrong, but wouldn't the agree or disagree people encompass about 99.9% of people? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/18/2007 9:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By demonica on 07/17/2007 10:25 PM
you keep talking about having proof. you have no proof. what you have is faith. proof and faith are both fine and useful things, however, they are not interchangeable.
Do not confuse rigorous scientific proof with sufficient proof for one person to believe. When someone talks about having proof enough for them to believe in, they are not referring to proof in the same sense you are. Straw men are useful things, but not in arguments... | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 07/18/2007 10:22 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 07/18/2007 9:56 AM Posted By demonica on 07/17/2007 10:25 PM
you keep talking about having proof. you have no proof. what you have is faith. proof and faith are both fine and useful things, however, they are not interchangeable. Do not confuse rigorous scientific proof with sufficient proof for one person to believe. When someone talks about having proof enough for them to believe in, they are not referring to proof in the same sense you are. Straw men are useful things, but not in arguments...
thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm getting tired of trying to explain it...  | | | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 07/18/2007 10:29 AM |
Alert | Posted By anewman on 07/17/2007 6:46 PM Posted By Trogdor! on 07/17/2007 5:42 PM Posted By leefamily on 07/17/2007 4:42 PM
a lot of people are. I'm critical of a lot of religions myself. Not to say that I haven't studied different religions because I do find them fascinating. I think it's really interesting that most religions are developed by a 'higher power'
What do you mean by "developed by a higher power"? Do you mean focused on a higher power? I find it interesting that with so many different kinds of religions, members of each respective religion absolutely think... believe that theirs is the correct one. Some share a common god (Yahweh, Allah, God), others worship a completely different god or gods. If there was some sort of greater truth, then when is there such a discrepancy in interpreting it? Perhaps the variations are better explained by the moral and intellectual zeitgeist (hence, god being created by man). I agree with this and have studied several religions and have had the honor to discuss religion with people of authority in many different religions. Some normal and traditional and some not. I will not bash any religion but find it quite ironic if someone of one religion is critical or bashing another. Who are you to judge anyone else? In doing so you are going directly against the core values of your own religion- this applies to all religions!! If you are happy with your coarse than leave it at that- do not judge or push on others. All religions have their faults- their extremists- but if you really study them and break them down to the core values of how you should live your life they are very similar. They all believe in some higher power and how do you know "your" god did not visit others- visit multiple times- in multiple forms?? Enlighten yourself so you may shed light for others!!
I do not judge others. I have no power whatsoever to do so. I am critical of other religions because the ones that I have taken an interest in studying don't follow along with what I believe and interpret from the teachings of Christ. I have not studied all religions and probably won't. If you're Budhist, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran - and you feel at peace with your God, then great by me. It is not up to me to judge you. That is a job for the Man upstairs not me! I did not BASH any religion at all. Please be careful when you put words in other people's mouths. Not once did I say Mormons are wrong and going to hell. You have no idea what my feelings are on any ohter religion than my own. | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 07/18/2007 10:38 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 07/17/2007 2:45 PM Posted By Sinbad on 07/17/2007 2:38 PM Posted By Jason on 07/17/2007 12:47 PM Posted By Sinbad on 07/17/2007 12:46 PM
***offical stop by***
I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add.
Then how about actually adding nothing instead of a useless something? Or are you trying to boost your post count?  ***offical stop by*** I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add. Liar. You just added something. 
***official stop by***
I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/18/2007 11:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By Sinbad on 07/18/2007 10:38 AM Posted By Jason on 07/17/2007 2:45 PM Posted By Sinbad on 07/17/2007 2:38 PM Posted By Jason on 07/17/2007 12:47 PM Posted By Sinbad on 07/17/2007 12:46 PM
***offical stop by***
I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add.
Then how about actually adding nothing instead of a useless something? Or are you trying to boost your post count? ***offical stop by*** I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add. Liar. You just added something. ***official stop by*** I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add.
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|  | rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/21/2007 9:15 AM |
Alert |
Quote from richfellow:
I maybe wrong, but wouldn't the agree or disagree people encompass about 99.9% of people?
Well actually no the people who agree are only about 89.2%. The people who disagree are disagreeing so strongly that they are 110.8%. So the average comes out to 100% | |
Sometimes we just make life to difficult.
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 07/21/2007 9:20 AM |
Alert | percentages require addition, not averaging. there is only 100% to any given thing. there cannot, by definition, be 110% of a single thing. if you are talking about 110%, you are then referring to 2 or more things. you can have 110% growth, but that still makes only 100% of the new whole. this is my single biggest mathematical pet peeve!
EDITED TO ADD: man, i must be 100% nerd to actually have mathematical pet peeves!!!!! | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 07/21/2007 9:27 AM |
Alert | | i feel the same way sinbad does, except that to my knowledge no one has ever referred to me as ricci. and i am not a christian. my question to the christians who have posted here: judging from the things you write, you seem to equate a belief in god (or a higher power) with being a christian. faith in a higher power is just that, faith. god (or whatever) is a spiritual concept. religion is a man made concept. by espousing christianity as the one true faith, you are negating every other religion or faith in the world. there are more non-christians on this planet than christians. doesn't that make y'all the haters? i am not saying all christians are guilty of this, but most of the more vocal ones on here are. | | | |
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| | rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/21/2007 11:01 AM |
Alert | | "I reject your reallity and substitute my own" 110% . More coffee demonica? | |
Sometimes we just make life to difficult.
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| | anewman
Posts:668
| | 07/21/2007 11:15 AM |
Alert | Posted By leefamily on 07/18/2007 10:29 AM Posted By anewman on 07/17/2007 6:46 PM Posted By Trogdor! on 07/17/2007 5:42 PM Posted By leefamily on 07/17/2007 4:42 PM
a lot of people are. I'm critical of a lot of religions myself. Not to say that I haven't studied different religions because I do find them fascinating. I think it's really interesting that most religions are developed by a 'higher power'
What do you mean by "developed by a higher power"? Do you mean focused on a higher power? I find it interesting that with so many different kinds of religions, members of each respective religion absolutely think... believe that theirs is the correct one. Some share a common god (Yahweh, Allah, God), others worship a completely different god or gods. If there was some sort of greater truth, then when is there such a discrepancy in interpreting it? Perhaps the variations are better explained by the moral and intellectual zeitgeist (hence, god being created by man). I agree with this and have studied several religions and have had the honor to discuss religion with people of authority in many different religions. Some normal and traditional and some not. I will not bash any religion but find it quite ironic if someone of one religion is critical or bashing another. Who are you to judge anyone else? In doing so you are going directly against the core values of your own religion- this applies to all religions!! If you are happy with your coarse than leave it at that- do not judge or push on others. All religions have their faults- their extremists- but if you really study them and break them down to the core values of how you should live your life they are very similar. They all believe in some higher power and how do you know "your" god did not visit others- visit multiple times- in multiple forms?? Enlighten yourself so you may shed light for others!! I do not judge others. I have no power whatsoever to do so. I am critical of other religions because the ones that I have taken an interest in studying don't follow along with what I believe and interpret from the teachings of Christ. I have not studied all religions and probably won't. If you're Budhist, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran - and you feel at peace with your God, then great by me. It is not up to me to judge you. That is a job for the Man upstairs not me! I did not BASH any religion at all. Please be careful when you put words in other people's mouths. Not once did I say Mormons are wrong and going to hell. You have no idea what my feelings are on any ohter religion than my own.
I did not put any words in your mouth or accuse you of anything. I was simply stating there are people in every religion that feel their's is the only right one.
I did not mention any particular religions either - as you have. I am not critical of other religions as you cleary state you are. If you believe another religion is wrong or false aren't you judging??
To me it does not matter at all what religion you follow but what type of person you are. How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
It will be quite humorous to me if all the religions that believe in a heaven or higher place end up in the "same" place.
Some of the most honrable people I have ever met have had no affiliation with a religion. They had their own unique relationship with a higher power.
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"The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 07/21/2007 12:29 PM |
Alert | Posted By anewman on 07/21/2007 11:15 AM
How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
What are the core values and morals of life? Who said they are the same for everybody? | |
Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 07/21/2007 1:07 PM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 07/21/2007 12:29 PM Posted By anewman on 07/21/2007 11:15 AM
How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
What are the core values and morals of life? Who said they are the same for everybody?
i live by one rule, and the simplest way to state it IS christian (see, i told you i wasn't a hater), that rule is: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. i feel that this emcompasses everything, and no more rules are necessary. | | | |
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 07/21/2007 1:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By demonica on 07/21/2007 1:07 PM Posted By EEE on 07/21/2007 12:29 PM Posted By anewman on 07/21/2007 11:15 AM
How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
What are the core values and morals of life? Who said they are the same for everybody? i live by one rule, and the simplest way to state it IS christian (see, i told you i wasn't a hater), that rule is: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. i feel that this emcompasses everything, and no more rules are necessary.
Your core value is very noble indeed.
But what about those whose core value is getting money by any means necessary.
Is your core value better than his? Why or why not?
anewman seems to think there are core values and morals of life that everybody should agree on. Maybe he meant that everybody should live by his core values and morals of his life.
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Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | anewman
Posts:668
| | 07/21/2007 1:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 07/21/2007 1:28 PM Posted By demonica on 07/21/2007 1:07 PM Posted By EEE on 07/21/2007 12:29 PM Posted By anewman on 07/21/2007 11:15 AM
How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
What are the core values and morals of life? Who said they are the same for everybody? i live by one rule, and the simplest way to state it IS christian (see, i told you i wasn't a hater), that rule is: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. i feel that this emcompasses everything, and no more rules are necessary. Your core value is very noble indeed. But what about those whose core value is getting money by any means necessary. Is your core value better than his? Why or why not? anewman seems to think there are core values and morals of life that everybody should agree on. Maybe he meant that everybody should live by his core values and morals of his life.
Where in any of my posts did I say 'my' core values??
Is there any religion that is about getting money by any means neccessary??
Some Christian Examples:
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
"love thy neighbor"
"ten commandments"
ALL religions have similar values as these though they may be called something else. It is not that I feel there are core values that everyone should agree on- it is that if you break all religions down to their core values (not of the teaching of when and how the lord appeared but of how you are suppose to live and treat others) they are in essence the same!
It is about living a life that is honorable, treating people with respect no matter what their believes are, being true in what you say and what you do, and helping others (in a multitude of forms).
IS that clear enough now?
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"The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 07/21/2007 1:50 PM |
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To me it does not matter at all what religion you follow but what type of person you are. How well do you live up to the core values and morals of life.
I made the comment since somebody's religion doesn't matter to you but only what type of person somebody is which includes following the core values and morals of life. What if a person doesn't want to follow any religion values. His value is about getting money. Is his core value of life wrong?
Posted By anewman on 07/21/2007 1:42 PM
Where in any of my posts did I say 'my' core values??
Is there any religion that is about getting money by any means neccessary??
Some Christian Examples:
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
"love thy neighbor"
"ten commandments"
ALL religions have similar values as these though they may be called something else. It is not that I feel there are core values that everyone should agree on- it is that if you break all religions down to their core values (not of the teaching of when and how the lord appeared but of how you are suppose to live and treat others) they are in essence the same!
It is about living a life that is honorable, treating people with respect no matter what their believes are, being true in what you say and what you do, and helping others (in a multitude of forms).
IS that clear enough now?
Well, why did you choose Religious values for core values? | |
Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | anewman
Posts:668
| | 07/21/2007 2:10 PM |
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I made the comment since somebody's religion doesn't matter to you but only what type of person somebody is which includes following the core values and morals of life. What if a person doesn't want to follow any religion values. His value is about getting money. Is his core value of life wrong?
Depends on how 'you' look at it. IF you are someone that believes in survival of the fittest than you may not have a problem with someone like this. However if this person is causing harm on someone in order to prosper and you follow any religion or have similar beliefs- than you should have an issue with it.
Me personally - I belief causing harm to someone else for financial gain is wrong. I'll leave it at that
Well, why did you choose those values?
I picked those values because this was a thread directed towards the Christian religions and has a lot of Christians speaking out. It is important to use values that would be understood and everyone has heard.
Hope that answers your questions.
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"The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"
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| | rex
Posts:295
| | 07/21/2007 2:11 PM |
Alert | EEE, if there is no religion in my life, then why did I help someone change a tire by the side of the road (on more than one occasion)? I've been offered money for doing these good deeds, but have absolutely turned it down every time. If it's the good intrinsic feeling I get when helping someone, is that still greed?
If a person has no religion and his core value is greed/money, why have I done good deeds? Must be a miracle. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/21/2007 2:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By rex on 07/21/2007 2:11 PM
EEE, if there is no religion in my life, then why did I help someone change a tire by the side of the road (on more than one occasion)?
What EEE is getting at is not that you couldn't do something like that but why would you do something like that? Why is it the right thing to do?
"Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."
Is in general a good rule. But what if you're someone who doesn't care about a little embezzlement if it furthers you? | |
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| | rex
Posts:295
| | 07/21/2007 3:34 PM |
Alert | | I guess I would do it so that if I ever needed help, they would reciprocate. Neighbors helping neighbors. But most of the people I've stopped for were strangers. I couldn't have expected an out of town stranger to reciprocate, right? Maybe Karma? | | | |
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