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Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 10/31/2007 7:35 PM |
 Alert | | Good works yes, those do not come without God, however I don't think He actually selects "bad"/"evil" works for those who he does not call. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 10/31/2007 8:21 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/31/2007 7:35 PM
Good works yes, those do not come without God, however I don't think He actually selects "bad"/"evil" works for those who he does not call.
Let me clarify my position, I don't believe God is the cause of sin.
God is not the cause of sin, but sin is by his ordination.
How do you explain somebody's choice to murder an individual? Was that event outside God's sovereignty? What about Judas? Was the doings of Judas outside the will of God? What if by Judas "free will" he decided to follow Christ and not turn him in, would Christ just stick around until somebody would turn him in so he could die for our sins?
Believing that God doesn't ordain sin falls in the dangerous heresy of open theism.
Again, God is not the cause of sin, but sin is by his ordination.
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Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | EEE
Posts:374
| | 10/31/2007 8:23 PM |
Alert | Also speaking of Job
When wicked men steal Job’s goods, Job recognizes that “The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.” The thieves, proximate cause of the evil, are guilty; but Job doesn’t question the motives of the Lord, the remote cause. | |
Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/31/2007 11:15 PM |
Alert | Saying that God is directly responsible for the existence of evil is much different than saying that God allows intelligences (including Satan) to exercise their agency, from whence evil emerges in life.
Not at all. If you see someone lying on train tracks, unable to move and about to be hit by a train, while perfectly capable of doing something but you do nothing how does that not make your actions evil?
Here's how you're not evil: You're a perfect being that can do no wrong. If you take no action, you're not wrong. If you take action, you're not wrong. If you cause the train to go down the tracks, you're not wrong. Otherwise you are not omnipotent, correct? I just dreamed up this theory, so I wouldn't be surprised if it needs refining before it's not full of holes.  | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:1974
| | 11/01/2007 8:14 AM |
Alert | | Trying to rationalize God and put him in a box means you are no longer talking about God. Unfortunately, as humans, we cannot fully comprehend God and his mysteries... | |
"Your village called.........they're missing their idiot" | |
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