Posted By love@hm on 10/24/2007 1:51 PM
Bionicbunny - you are wrong.

We believe through the covenants we make in the temple we can be eternal families. We are sealed together as a family at marriage, so can be together in the Celestial Kingdom. Being sealed gives us the opportunity to have this blessing, however, we still have to follows God's commandments, work and strive to become perfected in order to have this blessing.

Our progression is eternal - which means, we can continue to work on becoming perfect after we die. We believe in an outer-darkness (hell) which is meant for murders and false prophets and those who HAVE KNOWN the Savior and have turned away from Him, this is more than the person who has been a member or read the scriptures and believed and then decide they don't really believe and leave. This is talking about the person who has been as a prophet - someone who HAS KNOWN the Savior in a more personal (not in person, necessarily) way.

The general population will continue to some degree of heaven.

In theory, a couple can end up in different degrees of glory (heaven) - however, it is generally believed a couple has similar enough spiritual levels that they would be in the same kingdom. If we are not in the Celestial Kingdom - which we are told will actually be very few people, we will be able to continue to work, but will not be 'together' - I put quotes, because I do believe families work with each other to help with progression in the after-life. I don't just believe it, but I have personal experiences which are very sacred and not to be shared, which TELLS me this is true. However, I do not know 'living arrangements' so to speak.

If a one or the other spouse reaches the Celestial Kingdom w/o the other, they still have the right to those blessings. They have made those covenants, and kept their promises, and they can have those blessings. It is my understanding God has not revealed the ins and outs of what happens when the wife reaches the Celestial Kingdom w/o her husband.
. HOWEVER, I can guarantee the husband's original wife would never be sent to hell, but instead - would continue to work and strive to gain Celestial Glory - where she would join her husband.

Posted By tajh on 10/24/2007 2:30 PM




I think I know what you mean - same as a person saying they're Christian, but don't know 'the word'??

Posted By love@hm on 10/24/2007 2:38 PM
D&C 132:19- 20 - And again, verily I say unto you, if a many marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them - Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths - then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood,and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
(20)Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are suject unto them. then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

Obviously, there is a source to show we believe we can become gods. . .

Posted By Bionicbunny on 10/24/2007 2:43 PM



Many people call themselves Christian whether they have read so much as one verse in the Bible or not. Growing up Catholic we never read a word in the real Bible but we took communion every week, went to confession, said our hail marys and were told we were Christians. Others say you need to be born again. Still others say you only need to be a good person. I guess it all depends on what being a Christian means to you personally.

Posted By Bionicbunny on 10/24/2007 3:01 PM
love@hm, so according to the source that you quoted above anyone who doesn't murder will become a god. But are they lesser gods than the one god or are they then equal?

Posted By love@hm on 10/24/2007 1:51 PM
Our progression is eternal - which means, we can continue to work on becoming perfect after we die.

Mormonism’s doctrines of uncreated matter and intelligences make God’s acts of creation acts of divine organization rather than creation out of nothing. As there can be no good without evil (“For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so . . . righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad” 2 Nephi 2:11). Intelligence, eternal and uncreated, and spirit and physical matter form “things to act and things to be acted upon” (2 Nephi 2:13, 14), intelligences acting out their will. God reaches out to his offspring, man, but will never force or compel, as this would destroy the law of justice by which the intelligences honor and sustain Him and He “would cease to be God” (Alma 42:13). The ability of man to make his own choices and suffer the consequences, both good and bad, for those choices allows man to learn from his mistakes and choose to accept God’s plan. Many will knowingly and willfully reject this plan, but God is not responsible for the existence of evil.

With this as necessary background to the implications and ramifications of those who gleefully fling Psalms 90:2 and other passages at Mormons, how do Mormons respond to these charges? Mormon apostle Orson Pratt explained that the concept of “God” refers to a state of divinity that has always existed; hence, in that sense, there has always been God, since all Gods are unified:

“In one sense of the word, there are more Gods than one; and in another sense there is but one God. The Scriptures speak of more Gods than one . . . All these beings of course are one, the same as the Father and the Son are one. The Son is called God, and so is the Father, and in some places the Holy Ghost is called God. They are one in power, in wisdom, in knowledge, and in the inheritance of celestial glory; they are one in their works; they possess all things, and all things are subject to them; they act in unison; and if one has power to become the Father of spirits, so has another; if one God can propagate his species, and raise up spirits after his own image and likeness, and call them his sons and daughters, so can all other Gods that become like him, do the same thing; consequently, there will be many Fathers, and there will be many families, and many sons and daughters; and they will be the children of those glorified, celestial beings that are counted worthy to be Gods” (Journal of Discourses 1:56-57).

Elsewhere, Elder Pratt, commenting on criticisms about this, noted that there can be many Gods and at the same time one God:

“For instance, the world reads in the revelations we have received, that there are more Gods than one. This is something that does not immediately concern us; but yet opposers get up and contend against us, and prejudice the minds of congregations against the people of God, because they profess to believe . . . in a plurality of Gods . . . I [have] endeavored to . . . show [critics] wherein we believe in the plurality of Gods, and yet acknowledge only one God. I believe both of these principles with all my heart. I believe there is one only wise God, and I believe there is an immense number of Gods” (Journal of Discourses 2:58-59).

Posted By ChimneyDuck on 10/24/2007 9:22 PM
Why are Christians giving LDS members a hard time about believing that God was once man. . . I thought most Christians these days believed that Jesus = God and that Jesus = man.

What is the issue again?