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drummer72
Posts:3075
 | | 10/08/2007 7:19 PM |
 Alert | | Have you read the Satanic Verses too? | |
OBAMA NATION! | |
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| | sarahc
Posts:631
| | 10/08/2007 7:44 PM |
Alert | I have not read any of the books by Salman Rushdie. I have see and read the translation of the satanic verses and a brief background of the verses. I know that a lot of people that are eager to hate Muslims think that if Muhammad could not tell he was speaking through satin and not God then the entire book must be the works of satin and thus the entire Muslim religion is run by satin. The Qur’an was edited just as the bible was…
My interest in the Qur’an came my freshman year of college when I was interested in all religions. I was going to read all the important books of each religion. I made it thought the bible the Book of Mormon and half of the Qur’an and realized that I could better explore religion if I read other texts about those books.
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 8:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/08/2007 7:02 PM Posted By Horses R Cool on 10/08/2007 2:26 PM
I believe we become furtilizer, just like a dead animal...they decompse. There is no after life. Heaven or hell. Seriously, how could any rational person believe in such a thought? Spelling is Cool.
Damn, are you telling me that God didn't make me in his perfect image. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:460
| | 10/08/2007 8:43 PM |
Alert | | You cannot force someone to believe. If this was the case. God would not have given us free will. We would just love Him conditionally. Conditional love is not true Love. | | | |
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| | stillhere21
Posts:70
| | 10/08/2007 9:25 PM |
Alert | sarah, if a person truly repents, they will not want to sin again. why shouldn't God forgive anyone? he forgave me and i'm no better than anyone else. i still struggle with sins.
everyone believes in something. are you willing to base your eternal life on a hunch that there is no god? | | | |
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| | NEZv69.69
Posts:0
| | 10/09/2007 11:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By stillhere21 on 10/08/2007 3:06 PM
nez,
have you ever told a lie? cheated? lusted?
Constantly. I view these things as fun. | | | |
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|  | sarahc
Posts:631
| | 10/09/2007 4:58 PM |
Alert | are you willing to base your eternal life on a hunch that there is no god?
Yes... | | | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/09/2007 5:56 PM |
Alert | So, you believe in god,just in case there is one, to cover your bases?
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| | stillhere21
Posts:70
| | 10/09/2007 6:19 PM |
Alert | If you are right and I am wrong, I lose nothing.
If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything.
Copa -I believe in God because I believe there is evidence in everything that there is a God. I choose Jesus as my Savior because of the evidence of Christ that has been presented to me. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/09/2007 8:29 PM |
Alert | If I am right and you are wrong, you lose everything.
I can't take anything with me when I die anyway, so really I lose nothing. | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | Digger
Posts:63
| | 10/09/2007 8:56 PM |
Alert | I am a Christian and I believe that God has given us free will to choose which path we travel.
There are no straight paths to follow. Only Jesus was able to walk that path.
Having said that I believe there is a condition to entering into heaven. Jesus said the only way to the Father is through the Son.
If a white Lie is equal to a murder in terms of Judgement, then no one can say that they are more innocent than the other. We all sin equally in Gods eyes.
The committment to God is a path that few choose, it is a path that is more difficult to follow than any other. Much like the rules for sin being equal this path is full of failure by every person who walks it. The difference being that Jesus walks with you. It's a path filled with lust, desires, lies, ect. always tempting you to get off and head in your own direction. All of us choose to walk off the path. Jesus calls us back! If we continue on our own way (free will) Eventually we get into a situation that requires us to reach out to God for forgiveness. Having done that we are turned in the right direction but still have to face the consequences of free will.
Is my free will any different than yours as unbelievers? It is no different. Can you still live your life as if there is no God. Of course, some live life and never feel the need to believe in God. Bottom line we all will die. Some will go to the grave in defience, some will question if God is real and may accept his free gift. Some are already prepared and will continue on their journey of life forever.
When we stand before the judgment seat, we will all have to answer but by then it will be to late to change your mind.
Religion should never be forced on anyone, we are obligated to share our faith. If someone decides it's not for them then we should no longer pursue. It's not about conversion, it's about sharing what we believe. Regardless, we still pray that you will eventually hear what you need to hear to make (In our belief) the right decision.
Becoming a Christian (Saying the believers prayer and believing) cost nothing, it's free. Living as a Christian cost much more but the rewards are endless.
In the end everyone is free to believe what they want! | | | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:311
| | 10/09/2007 11:33 PM |
Alert | Digger, that was so well said.
I was brought up in a Catholic home and never really understood Christianity. But, a few years ago, I attended a service at a Christian Church up in Mesa, went to Bible study, and I can't tell you how my life has changed...I have chosen to walk the path to God, and there are many obstacles along the way, but I look to the Lord for guidance, and as always, He leads me in the right direction. He always lets me know when I've made the right choice, and I always know when I make the wrong one...I truly believe there is a God, and believe in Him and I will always try my best to let others know how wonderful life is when you choose to walk with Him....Some people just take longer to get it. | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3075
| | 10/09/2007 11:36 PM |
Alert | | Does anyone go to Corpus Christi Catholic Church in Ahwatukee? | |
OBAMA NATION! | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:311
| | 10/09/2007 11:41 PM |
Alert | | No, do you? Have you ever been to a non-denom Christian Church...Very different from Catholic Mass. I have been going to Living Word Bible Church in Mesa. It's near the 60 and Val Vista. Awesome Pastors...really good Bible Study too. Would live to find someone to go with. | |
Mobile Custom Auto Repair
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| | drummer72
Posts:3075
| | 10/09/2007 11:46 PM |
Alert | Yes, we do. But, I'm having issues right now with what church I want to be a "full time" member of. I don't know if you noticed the other threads, but I'm Pro Choice and I feel I have been judged by so called "christians" because of this.
Why should supporting abortion make me less of a person? | |
OBAMA NATION! | |
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| | Jerseygirl
Posts:311
| | 10/10/2007 1:04 AM |
Alert | I am too pro-choice, and I have seen what others say, but they choose to make their own interpretations of what The Bible (does not) say.
And to judge anyone for their beliefs is clearly against Gods will. | |
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| | parnette
Posts:14
| | 10/10/2007 8:22 AM |
Alert | stillhere21,
Do you really want people in your faith who "believe" in God and Jesus, not through evidence or true faith, but because they figured, "what the hell, I don't have anything to lose?" Is that true belief?
Also, the idea that there is nothing to lose by believing in Jesus seems rediculous to a non-believer. To many non-believers, all religions and all gods are pretty much on equal footing with each other. Say I decide to believe in Jesus as the son of God because, well, you told me that I don't have anything to lose by believing in Jesus. Then, I die, and it turns out that some other religion, not Christianity, was right all along. If that is the case, then I (and you for that matter) *have* lost because we should have picked the other religion. Not only have I lost, but I lost based on the argument "well, why not" instead of an evidence-based argument, which almost makes it worse. I don't really mean to trivialize religion in such a way, but just want to give you an idea of the thought processes that go on when you try to use this type of logic on people who just don't believe in any religion or any god.
What I am trying to say is that if you want to convince people that Christianity is the way to go, the whole "well you have nothing to lose by believing" is really not a good way to go about it. In fact, this type of argument will just make you look silly in the eyes of a non-believer, and that will really not help your case at all. I suggest you try to convince people with actual evidence and statements of faith. If your only argument is "well what have you got to lose?" then that's pretty weak. | | | |
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| | Mr. Whitefolks
Posts:62
| | 10/10/2007 8:48 AM |
Alert | | What if Christ walks among us? What if his name is NEZ? | |
"We are overcome by anguish at this illogical moment of humanity.” - Che
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/10/2007 9:11 AM |
Alert | | What if god was just a stranger on a bus? | | | |
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| | Veritas
Posts:248
| | 10/10/2007 10:40 AM |
Alert | Posted By parnette on 10/10/2007 8:22 AM
stillhere21,
Do you really want people in your faith who "believe" in God and Jesus, not through evidence or true faith, but because they figured, "what the hell, I don't have anything to lose?" Is that true belief?
No. Salvation through faith in Jesus Christ requires a real acknowledgment that (1) Jesus is God and (2) that He was raised from the dead. You are correct ... there is nothing casual about this. Saying the words without the meaning to back it up is insufficient.
Posted By parnette on 10/10/2007 8:22 AM
What I am trying to say is that if you want to convince people that Christianity is the way to go, the whole "well you have nothing to lose by believing" is really not a good way to go about it. In fact, this type of argument will just make you look silly in the eyes of a non-believer, and that will really not help your case at all.
Yes, it is the worst reason to "believe".
Posted By parnette on 10/10/2007 8:22 AM
I suggest you try to convince people with actual evidence and statements of faith. If your only argument is "well what have you got to lose?" then that's pretty weak.
Since you've essentially asked for evidence instead of nonsense, I'd like to begin to service the request by asking some questions.
1. Of all of the religious texts that exist, how many have a creation story that in any way matches up with what we understand about the universe that we live in? Specifically, I mean the fundamental origin of space, time, energy and matter.
2. Of all of the religious texts that exist, how many of them have more than 1,000 pieces of documentary evidence that date to within 500 years of the central figures lives and events therein?
3. Which religious texts have significant archaeological support for the historical assertions that they make.
I have answers for these questions, but would like to hear what UNBELIEVERS think the answers are first. So, fellow believers out there in the forum, PLEASE DO NOT "pipe in" just yet with regard to these 3 questions. ThanX. | | | |
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