drummer72
Posts:3053
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 Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/03/2007 12:11 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 12:07 PM
Doesn't a fetus have a right to be inside the body of the woman?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body. Permissions are not rights. There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave. Contrary to the opinion of anti-abortion activists (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the right to life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb. Just as illegal aliens are here because we permit them. They have no 'right' to be here.
Dude, stay on the topic.
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Copa Conscious
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| | 10/03/2007 12:18 PM |
Alert | Until the fetus shoots out, its still a fetus and can be 'interrupted' at the woman's discretion.
To take that fundamental right away would be tantamount to slavery. The woman would be serving the fetus at its discretion. | | | |
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AuntieEm
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Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys?
That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Of course you can choose to be Catholic, whether your parent's baptized you in the Catholic church or not.
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Jason
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Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/03/2007 12:18 PM
Until the fetus shoots out, its still a fetus and can be 'interrupted' at the woman's discretion.
Even medicine disagrees with you. Again I ask, what happened to "do no harm"? An abortion is removing healthy tissue from a body leaving damage behind. Sounds like harm to me.
To take that fundamental right away would be tantamount to slavery. The woman would be serving the fetus at its discretion.
Wrong. Slaves had no choice in the matter. Women do. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 12:53 PM |
Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/03/2007 9:48 AM
If a woman had a cancerous tumor in her body, should she not be allowed to have it taken out?
Cancerous tumors are scientifically and medically shown to harm the body. Most pregnancies do not. (Or are you going to argue that we live in a third world country with a high infant and mother death rate?) Removing a tumor would "do no harm". It has been shown that babies (or fetuses as you prefer to quibble semantically over) contribute in positive ways to the mother. Again, cancerous tumors do not.
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drummer72
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| | 10/03/2007 12:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By AuntieEm on 10/03/2007 12:41 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Of course you can choose to be Catholic, whether your parent's baptized you in the Catholic church or not.
All I am saying is...
...is that I was baptized and raised Catholic. I'm not a practising one, currently. If this is the silliest thing you've ever heard, you need to get out more or read some of Jhall's posts.
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Jason
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Alert | Is abortion murder?
Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being, i.e. it is a part of the woman.
Abortion is using force. And it is taking the life of another human being, unless you can show that the DNA of the unborn baby is not human... | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 12:57 PM |
Alert | Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb.
By this definition of slavery, a woman could kill any child at any point until that child is able to support itself. Without the woman, the child must either be breastfed or rely on the mother to supply formula. Isn't that indentured servitude if we're following this argument? | |
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Jason
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Alert | Posted By NEZv69.69 on 10/03/2007 11:59 AM
Did somebody call a fetus a baby?? Please show me where a fetus is issued a birth certificate??
ba·by (bā'bē)
n., pl. -bies.
1a. An unborn child; a fetus. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 1:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 12:55 PM Posted By AuntieEm on 10/03/2007 12:41 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Of course you can choose to be Catholic, whether your parent's baptized you in the Catholic church or not. All I am saying is... ...is that I was baptized and raised Catholic. I'm not a practising one, currently. If this is the silliest thing you've ever heard, you need to get out more or read some of Jhall's posts.
Your signature says you are a Catholic, not a Catholic in name only. Big difference... | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 1:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys?
What JasonY is getting at is that it is hypocritical. It would be like someone calling themselves a Christian and then blowing up an abortion clinic. Not very Christ-like. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 1:05 PM |
Alert | Posted By NEZv69.69 on 10/03/2007 10:17 AM
But, there is no Constitutional Authority to legislate morality on it's citizens. So, quit worrying about it. And go do some stupid Protestant stuff.
Reaaaaallly?
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
How can you establish justice without establishing some sort of moral standard? Absent morals, stealing should be OK. | |
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JAG
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| | 10/03/2007 1:09 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM
I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do.
But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys?
Where you get that misinformed fact from? Please point me to any Doctrine stating this as true. | | | |
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AuntieEm
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| | 10/03/2007 1:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 12:55 PM Posted By AuntieEm on 10/03/2007 12:41 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Of course you can choose to be Catholic, whether your parent's baptized you in the Catholic church or not. All I am saying is... ...is that I was baptized and raised Catholic. I'm not a practising one, currently. If this is the silliest thing you've ever heard, you need to get out more or read some of Jhall's posts.
So, if you aren't practicing the Catholic faith anymore, then you are not a Catholic, or a Pro-Choice Catholic at that. | |
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JasonY
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| | 10/03/2007 1:28 PM |
Alert | I think I will be an aethist now but I still believe in God. Ooooo, and I will be a pro-choice aethist who is against abortion................lol
My new signature:
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JasonY
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| | 10/03/2007 1:31 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys?
No it's not ok to molest any children, and those priests should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. But to judge an entire religion (ANY religion) based upon the acts of a few is just stereotyping. | |
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drummer72
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| | 10/03/2007 2:34 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/03/2007 12:59 PM Posted By NEZv69.69 on 10/03/2007 11:59 AM
Did somebody call a fetus a baby?? Please show me where a fetus is issued a birth certificate?? ba·by (bā'bē) n., pl. -bies. 1a. An unborn child; a fetus.
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Copa Conscious
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| | 10/03/2007 2:38 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 1:31 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/03/2007 11:56 AM Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:53 AM
One cannot be Pro-choice and be Catholic at the same time. That's like saying you are vegetarian and love cheeseburgers at the same time. I am all for women's rights. Oh yeah, and baby's rights too since they are too young to speak out for themselves. I did not choose to be Catholic. That's what I was baptised. Don't tell me what I can and can not do. But it's ok to be a Catholic priest and molest little altar boys? No it's not ok to molest any children, and those priests should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. But to judge an entire religion (ANY religion) based upon the acts of a few is just stereotyping.
That would be true, except for the FACT that the church knew what was going on and covered it up, for years.
They simply moved priests around like a shell game. Try and find which parish we hid the pedo-priest. | | | |
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Grilladawg
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| | 10/03/2007 2:38 PM |
Alert | | so a fetus has to be issued a birth certificate to deem it as a living being? | | | |
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