I would never edit my words. This is the tactic of a mormon or a liar. Do not cross me or my words mormon woman. You cannot decieve my eyes with your lies and deception. My post is to let this person know that God is waiting for her. What is your intention? To pretend that God does not care what she does? To pretend that God is MORMON! To trick her into the tar pits of mormon ideal! I have read your posts and see the venom that you have encountered which makes you fall sick and away from God. It is the venom of evil and of the devil itself. While I did not know that Jillybean had a husband it does not make me wrong. I would bet that her husband believes the same way that she does. And I believe that neither of them will see the light of God until they see what they're mistakes do to others. This is a comon path. This is my message. Sometimes we have to see what our mistakes do to other before we can see our actions for mistake. This is not insane. But guess what is insane? Mormon belief. You slander God directly! I see what you are trying to do. You are trying to make someone who preaches the Word of God and the Word of God alone seem unrealistic. And then you can come in with your smiles and glad handing and lead them away into the abiss. But I would say to you do not do this evil act. Run from your evil master and find God. Do not worry about what I say to Jillybean (and now her husband if he is reading)while your soul is in peril.

So Christians, which claim to have a personal relationship with someone you're saying is not even there, aren't delusional? But if you hear a voice from that someone you are?

"Yes, and I always DO handle things calmly and rationally."

Hmmm.

I think if you start "doing the math" on this one, you'll find that a lot more people have died in the name of atheism than theism. Consider the work of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. Not that there ain't been plenty of killin' in the name of God, just that there's been more in the name of "no god".

One day God will bring you a husband and cure all of your idle time that allows you to plague the forum with so many questions. And I will bet that God will deliver you a good husband who is just as lost as you at first. I believe you will make many confused babies and when you see what you have done to your suffering babies you will come running to God. But for now the only thing you have to care about is yourself. Women who have not made babies have this idle time that you have and that is how I know you are not married.

Posted By Trogdor! on 10/15/2007 10:54 AM

I would say that theism and having a "personal relationship" are two different things. If that "personal relationship" includes two-sided conversations with "God" then, yes, delusional.

Posted By Jason on 10/15/2007 10:58 AM
So it is an artificial distinction then. Thanks.

Posted By Trogdor! on 10/15/2007 11:20 AM

You don't see an actual distinction? It's simple one-sided vs two-sided interaction.

Posted By Trogdor! on 10/15/2007 10:54 AM
Wow, this thread got pretty interesting in my absence!



Although the religion of Hitler can be debated, your point is rather moot. There is a big difference between an atheist committing atrocities and committing atrocities in the name of atheism. On the flip side, the motivations behind Muslim extremists, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades are clear.

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Posted By JasonY on 10/15/2007 3:54 PM
The motivations behind Muslim extremists, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades were that people in positions of power were using religion as a tool to meet their twisted needs. Not the religion at fault, but manipulative people with hidden agendas...

But do you think their acts would have gained as much traction if they were not backed by the guise of religion?

Posted By Trogdor! on 10/15/2007 4:40 PM

But do you think their acts would have gained as much traction if they were not backed by the guise of religion?

Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:52 AM





Actually, from what I have read on these forums, it seems to me that aethists have the insecurities. That maybe, just maybe, there is a God. And that maybe, just maybe, we will all be held accountable for actions we have done or not done in life.
And doesn't everyone in some way preach to others to try and convince them of some belief or lack of belief?

Posted By Veritas on 10/15/2007 6:20 PM

It is a misconception of actual history to portray the sociology as one where an "idea gained traction under the guise of religion". The Inquisition and the Crusades were by no means "popular" in the sense that average people were in favor of the idea. Powerful people pretending to be dutiful and noble, perpetrated a great evil on other humans in the name of religion.

Also, consider the fact that at the time of the Crusades, the world population was about 300 million people; at the time of the Inquisition, roughly 400 million people. Stalin killed at least 30 million people, perhaps as many as 51 million people. Just over 1 million died in the Crusades. No matter how you slice it, either by whole numbers or percentages, one lousy Atheist has killed more people than anything that "religious zealots" have done. Not that it justifies it, but it does put things into perspective.

When you "do the math", it's just ridiculous to pretend that religion is responsible for more deaths than other ideologies or the lack thereof.

But thats not what Christianity is about is it? It doesn't really matter how "good" or "bad" you are, only if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. Heaven is filled with murderers and rapists.

This is more about Communism/Socialism vs. Liberalism/Capitalism, its politics and economics, not religion. Stalin didn't kill in the name of and for the express purpose of Atheism. He killed to control the population and to spread a political ideology.