Trogdor!
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 Alert | Jag,
Sorry, should I have put a "/sarcasm" at the end of that post? | |
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JillyBean
Posts:375
| | 10/03/2007 7:06 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/03/2007 6:40 PM Posted By JillyBean on 10/03/2007 6:36 PM We do disagree on certain things. My husband is agnostic and I am an atheist. He studied sociology and IT in college, I studied biology. My biological studies are the basis of my atheism. Troggie is also more tolerant that I am.  I studied biology. My biological studies are the basis of my atheism. What is it, in your opinion, in biology that contradicts a God?
Evolution, Carbon dating as to the age of fossils and the Earth, and embryology to name a few. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 7:23 PM |
Alert | Evolution, Carbon dating as to the age of fossils and the Earth, and embryology to name a few.
Funny, I don't recall the Bible giving the age of the Earth... | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/03/2007 7:26 PM |
Alert | Enlighten me.
Well, for starters, you're probably intolerant of robbery, right?
Yes, I said that, but you're misinterpreting. Is theism a delusional offense, no; is hearing the voice of "God", yes. The point of that post was simply that if I heard voices in my head I would be considered crazy... unless that voice is "God". Why the special treatment?
So Christians, which claim to have a personal relationship with someone you're saying is not even there, aren't delusional? But if you hear a voice from that someone you are? | |
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Jason
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| | 10/03/2007 7:37 PM |
Alert | - Medical facilities? Through donations, maybe. Research, not so much. How's that stem cell research coming along?
There is nothing prohibiting Christians from researching adult stem cells, which are actually preferable to embryonic stem cells. | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 10/03/2007 8:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By JillyBean on 10/03/2007 2:44 PM
I think theism, of any type, is delusional and irrational.
So, getting back to the main idea of this discussion and how "offensive" preaching is ... calling a belief system delusional and irrational IS NOT "holier-than-thou"?
Hmm.
You can't have it both ways unless you are "irrational" and "delusional".  (Besides, the documentary and archaeological evidence for what the Bible claims, makes the piece of literature a reliable historical document at minimum; therefore, the theism that emerges from that document cannot possibly be "irrational" and "delusional". No scholar worth their weight in water disputes the historical reliability of either the New or Old Testament ... the only rational dispute is over things that are supernatural. Not that the supernatural is a problem, but the way that we test it or think about it is not as cut & dry as the physical sciences would be with archeology, etc.)
You don't have to be a theist to be a preacher ... there are plenty of "preachers" out there who do not believe in ANYTHING but hate.
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 10/03/2007 8:19 PM |
Alert | Posted By Trogdor! on 10/03/2007 4:08 PM GilaGuy, You are certainly free to have that belief. Several of my friends feel the same way. But they don't fly the victim flag every time some Jehovah's Witness shows up at the door. They handle it calmly and rationally, and go about their business. You two would probably be better served handling things in that fashion, and leaving your affront radar behind. Yes, and I always DO handle things calmly and rationally. The whole purpose of this thread was to say, "These people are annoying. Who agrees with me?" or "If you are one of these people, why do you do it?" Was that so hard to understand, or am I being like "smarter-than-thou" Jason and need to spell things out more clearly?
Jason, Basically you're no better than the people your husband is criticizing. Hey! Piss off!
"Yes, and I always DO handle things calmly and rationally."
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 10/03/2007 8:21 PM |
Alert | Posted By Trogdor! on 10/03/2007 4:20 PM That's reflected in his insulting signature graphic too. He says he's an agnostic but flies the atheist banner... And I've also said in a previous thread that "despite the signature, I'm agnostic", or did you not bother to take note of that? Perhaps I should do a little Photoshopping and change "atheist" to "agnostic" to make you happy.
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 10/03/2007 8:25 PM |
Alert | Posted By Trogdor! on 10/03/2007 4:58 PM
How many lives have been lost in the name of some god?
I think if you start "doing the math" on this one, you'll find that a lot more people have died in the name of atheism than theism. Consider the work of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. Not that there ain't been plenty of killin' in the name of God, just that there's been more in the name of "no god". | | | |
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JAG
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| | 10/03/2007 9:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By JillyBean on 10/03/2007 7:06 PM
Evolution, Carbon dating as to the age of fossils and the Earth, and embryology to name a few.
Could you please explain how any of those show that there is no God? I think your really scretchinig there.
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Noel
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| | 10/14/2007 10:22 AM |
Alert | | It has been said in this thread a few time. Why do we preach? Really. Is this the question? I have a question for you Jillybean. It is why do you always make questions about God? Why? Dont you find it strange as you and other people claim to be an atheist that you swim so deeply in questions about God. To answer your question on a personal ground the truth is that I do not preach. I respond to your posting on the forum and continually direct you to the best source for your answer. Why do you keep asking for directions? You have the directions or you have thrown them away. If you have thrown them a way then it is you who should walk away from the religion thread. But if you obey the direction you will keep asking questions and we will be here to answer them because we believe in God and we believe in God's plan for you. One day God will bring you a husband and cure all of your idle time that allows you to plague the forum with so many questions. And I will bet that God will deliver you a good husband who is just as lost as you at first. I believe you will make many confused babies and when you see what you have done to your suffering babies you will come running to God. But for now the only thing you have to care about is yourself. Women who have not made babies have this idle time that you have and that is how I know you are not married. And because I have a keen instinct on how it is to be so lost because before I was married to a good Christian woman who love God first and then loves me. I should warn you about being selfish and looking for a man who will obey you because you seem like the type of young lady who would like a husband that follows your will. But this would be wrong and you should look for a husband that follow God first. And now that we have both acted silly about this measure make sure you take the time to ask God these questions that you have. Ask Him while you are alone and keep asking God questions. | | | |
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The Nag
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| | 10/14/2007 10:55 AM |
Alert | Noel - your post is very disturbing.
JillyBean IS married to a very nice man. She has many very nice friends around town and I personally know that she has a compassionate and kind heart.
I disagree with her at every turn about religion but that does not mean she does not have the right to ask questions or debate...it certainly does not give you the right to go on some insane rant about your WRONG assumptions about her.
You might want to edit your posts. Your are sounding mighty UN-Christian. | |
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Noel
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| | 10/14/2007 11:37 AM |
Alert | Posted By The Nag on 10/14/2007 10:55 AM
Noel - your post is very disturbing.
JillyBean IS married to a very nice man. She has many very nice friends around town and I personally know that she has a compassionate and kind heart.
I disagree with her at every turn about religion but that does not mean she does not have the right to ask questions or debate...it certainly does not give you the right to go on some insane rant about your WRONG assumptions about her.
You might want to edit your posts. Your are sounding mighty UN-Christian.
I would never edit my words. This is the tactic of a mormon or a liar. Do not cross me or my words mormon woman. You cannot decieve my eyes with your lies and deception. My post is to let this person know that God is waiting for her. What is your intention? To pretend that God does not care what she does? To pretend that God is MORMON! To trick her into the tar pits of mormon ideal! I have read your posts and see the venom that you have encountered which makes you fall sick and away from God. It is the venom of evil and of the devil itself. While I did not know that Jillybean had a husband it does not make me wrong. I would bet that her husband believes the same way that she does. And I believe that neither of them will see the light of God until they see what they're mistakes do to others. This is a comon path. This is my message. Sometimes we have to see what our mistakes do to other before we can see our actions for mistake. This is not insane. But guess what is insane? Mormon belief. You slander God directly! I see what you are trying to do. You are trying to make someone who preaches the Word of God and the Word of God alone seem unrealistic. And then you can come in with your smiles and glad handing and lead them away into the abiss. But I would say to you do not do this evil act. Run from your evil master and find God. Do not worry about what I say to Jillybean (and now her husband if he is reading)while your soul is in peril. | | | |
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Digger
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| | 10/14/2007 11:43 AM |
Alert | Posted By Noel on 10/14/2007 10:22 AM
It has been said in this thread a few time. Why do we preach? Really. Is this the question? I have a question for you Jillybean. It is why do you always make questions about God? Why? Dont you find it strange as you and other people claim to be an atheist that you swim so deeply in questions about God. To answer your question on a personal ground the truth is that I do not preach. I respond to your posting on the forum and continually direct you to the best source for your answer. Why do you keep asking for directions? You have the directions or you have thrown them away. If you have thrown them a way then it is you who should walk away from the religion thread. But if you obey the direction you will keep asking questions and we will be here to answer them because we believe in God and we believe in God's plan for you. One day God will bring you a husband and cure all of your idle time that allows you to plague the forum with so many questions. And I will bet that God will deliver you a good husband who is just as lost as you at first. I believe you will make many confused babies and when you see what you have done to your suffering babies you will come running to God. But for now the only thing you have to care about is yourself. Women who have not made babies have this idle time that you have and that is how I know you are not married. And because I have a keen instinct on how it is to be so lost because before I was married to a good Christian woman who love God first and then loves me. I should warn you about being selfish and looking for a man who will obey you because you seem like the type of young lady who would like a husband that follows your will. But this would be wrong and you should look for a husband that follow God first. And now that we have both acted silly about this measure make sure you take the time to ask God these questions that you have. Ask Him while you are alone and keep asking God questions.
May the Lord rebuke you for that reply. You do not represent the true Christians.
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Noel
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| | 10/14/2007 12:05 PM |
Alert | Posted By Digger on 10/14/2007 11:43 AM Posted By Noel on 10/14/2007 10:22 AM
It has been said in this thread a few time. Why do we preach? Really. Is this the question? I have a question for you Jillybean. It is why do you always make questions about God? Why? Dont you find it strange as you and other people claim to be an atheist that you swim so deeply in questions about God. To answer your question on a personal ground the truth is that I do not preach. I respond to your posting on the forum and continually direct you to the best source for your answer. Why do you keep asking for directions? You have the directions or you have thrown them away. If you have thrown them a way then it is you who should walk away from the religion thread. But if you obey the direction you will keep asking questions and we will be here to answer them because we believe in God and we believe in God's plan for you. One day God will bring you a husband and cure all of your idle time that allows you to plague the forum with so many questions. And I will bet that God will deliver you a good husband who is just as lost as you at first. I believe you will make many confused babies and when you see what you have done to your suffering babies you will come running to God. But for now the only thing you have to care about is yourself. Women who have not made babies have this idle time that you have and that is how I know you are not married. And because I have a keen instinct on how it is to be so lost because before I was married to a good Christian woman who love God first and then loves me. I should warn you about being selfish and looking for a man who will obey you because you seem like the type of young lady who would like a husband that follows your will. But this would be wrong and you should look for a husband that follow God first. And now that we have both acted silly about this measure make sure you take the time to ask God these questions that you have. Ask Him while you are alone and keep asking God questions. May the Lord rebuke you for that reply. You do not represent the true Christians.
You are right! I do not represent Christians but I do uphold the Word of God to the best of my ability. Whos gun is in your hand my friend. Who are you fighting for? Is it John Smith?
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Veritas
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| | 10/14/2007 12:38 PM |
Alert | Posted By Noel on 10/14/2007 11:37 AM
I would never edit my words. This is the tactic of a mormon or a liar. Do not cross me or my words mormon woman. You cannot decieve my eyes with your lies and deception. My post is to let this person know that God is waiting for her. What is your intention? To pretend that God does not care what she does? To pretend that God is MORMON! To trick her into the tar pits of mormon ideal! I have read your posts and see the venom that you have encountered which makes you fall sick and away from God. It is the venom of evil and of the devil itself. While I did not know that Jillybean had a husband it does not make me wrong. I would bet that her husband believes the same way that she does. And I believe that neither of them will see the light of God until they see what they're mistakes do to others. This is a comon path. This is my message. Sometimes we have to see what our mistakes do to other before we can see our actions for mistake. This is not insane. But guess what is insane? Mormon belief. You slander God directly! I see what you are trying to do. You are trying to make someone who preaches the Word of God and the Word of God alone seem unrealistic. And then you can come in with your smiles and glad handing and lead them away into the abiss. But I would say to you do not do this evil act. Run from your evil master and find God. Do not worry about what I say to Jillybean (and now her husband if he is reading)while your soul is in peril.
Hmmm ... this is a disturbing rant. Not sure where the whole Mormon thing came in, but it is most certainly irrelevant and most certainly designed to hurt.
I would also agree with those who see this kind of attack as being un-Christian. I wish that it were possible to apologize on behalf of all Christians, but that is a difficult thing to do when I am just one of many. | | | |
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The Nag
Posts:128
| | 10/14/2007 12:51 PM |
Alert | First let me say can someone please pass the Cocoa Puffs because this dude is cuck-coo.
My intention with regards to JillyBeans beliefs is to be tolerant. Something I believe Christ would want me to be. I will be the first in line to testify that Jesus Christ is the one and only true Savior. JillyBean knows this. I have testified publicly and in private. Anytime she is interested in learning about the Good News of our Savior, she knows where to find me.
Because we do not agree does not make her any less a Child of God or any less worthy of tolerance, respect, or love.
Smiles and glad handing (not even sure what that means)? Probably not today. I was up with one of my babies (who keep me quite busy thank you, on that we can agree) all night and I am a grouch today.
Regardless of our differences in beliefs I will love her and not slander her. Especially with comments that are 100% untrue and made up in your own ignorant mind.
I will cross you and your idiotic words at my pleasure. I would be tickled pink to see you try and stop me.
I will never fall away from my Savior. No mortal man, and certainly no silly post on 85239.com would ever come between my relationship with my Heavenly Father and His Son, my Savior, Jesus Christ.
Just a tip...if you are going to rant...please break it up into smaller paragraphs. It makes it easier for those of us trying to sort through your lunacy.
P.S. That was hot when you called me "mormon woman"
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Digger
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| | 10/14/2007 12:59 PM |
Alert | Where in the word of God does it say to mix truth with a personal attack? And calling me a mormon is also an attack. I am not morman.
Another sin compounds and blinds you from the truth. Please examine your posts and pray the Lord opens you eye's to His truth and not your own. | | | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 10/14/2007 2:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By The Nag on 10/14/2007 12:51 PM
P.S. That was hot when you called me "mormon woman"
Oh my gosh that line cracked me up! I hereby nominate you for "best line of the day" for that one. | | | |
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Marni
Posts:500
| | 10/14/2007 6:05 PM |
Alert | One day God will bring you a husband
Why does it have to be a husband?
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