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Trogdor!
Posts:294
 | | 10/02/2007 5:22 PM |
 Alert | Seriously... why? Especially to those of us that just do NOT want to hear it. It's fine to have a well thought out discussion, but when you turn on that "holier-than-thou" attitude, it's just down right annoying!
Do you honestly expect people to suddenly say, "Thank you! I see the light! You have shown me how powerful faith can be. The power of Christ compels me to go to church and repent"? Or is your actual goal to just annoy? If it's to annoy, then that doesn't seem very "Christ-like".
The conversations usually go something like this.
Troggie: I've got a question.
Christer: Look to the Lord for these answers.
T: No, seriously, I want you to answer something for me.
C: We can have fun talking about odd questions but we are not God so it is that we cannot actually answer.
T: But I don't believe in god.
C: I will pray for those who are lost from the vision of God and who do not know or believe that Jesus is the savior of every man woman and child on this planet.
T: Ok... but what if there is no god?
C: When each of us die some of us will go to heaven and some of us will not be seen by the Lord for eternity.
T: Riiiight... but hypothetically speaking, what would you think if there is no god?
C: To me who sees so easily it sometimes is forgotten that some are very lost. I see you like the humble old mental handicap man who cannot find his shoes though he has worn shoes his entire life. You tell me that you are raised with God but cannot find God! And it is true that I did laugh at you for this which was wrong of me. I do like the questions you raise but I am not stupid and can tell when you are no longer taking a subject with a serious nature. It is people like you that "turn me off" to secularism. And this is for good reason because I see how it makes you angry and suffer. Go find your shoes old man. And if jokes are good for you then jokes are good for me. Never chastise me again as I will always stand up to you. Jesus has produce limitless courage in my heart and much wisdom in my mind. Do not bait with cynicism and switch to seriousness when it so suites you or I will reveal you for the fool who cannot find his own shoes!
T: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Did you just call me a foolish old man that can't find his shoes! Jesus H Christ you're annoying! I'm outta here!
C: He has found Jesus!
T: Please learn how to use paragraphs for christ's sake!
C: Amen! | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 10/02/2007 5:35 PM |
Alert | I kind of wonder the same thing when the left wing nuts...well, a good amount of them ask me why "im eating meat?"
btw: I've never preached to anyone about my faith, NEVER. Don't mix people up. | | | |
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| | Java Lover
Posts:0
| | 10/02/2007 5:42 PM |
Alert | I don't think I preach, but perhaps I come across like that sometimes.
People pretty much know where I am and if there are questions they can ask. Some questions on here I respond to, some I do not. There is no rhyme or reason as to why I answer some and not others and sometimes I'm just tired and give flippant answers.
I'm not out to convert anyone just to try to give my side of the story. I'm not here to judge, that's not my job either. My job is to love and sometimes I'm not that good at that either, but I'm trying.  | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:442
| | 10/02/2007 7:10 PM |
Alert | I think you are being very unfair. I and others have answered your questions to our best of ability.
That said, who is forcing you to read in this forum? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/02/2007 7:14 PM |
Alert | Do you honestly expect people to suddenly say, "Thank you! I see the light! You have shown me how powerful faith can be.
Do you ask questions just to annoy? Because it seems fairly obvious that you're not here with an open mind and when you do get answers, you post a thread like this that completely misrepresents the people that you deceptively asked quesitons of. | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/03/2007 6:43 AM |
Alert | They preach to convert others to their way of thinking.
They feel that the deep down insecurities they feel about there being no god are lessened by greater numbers of people who do believe in god.
Hallejulah. Can I get a amen? | | | |
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|  | JasonY
Posts:1821
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| 10/03/2007 8:52 AM |
Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/03/2007 6:43 AM
They preach to convert others to their way of thinking.
They feel that the deep down insecurities they feel about there being no god are lessened by greater numbers of people who do believe in god.
Hallejulah. Can I get a amen?
Actually, from what I have read on these forums, it seems to me that aethists have the insecurities. That maybe, just maybe, there is a God. And that maybe, just maybe, we will all be held accountable for actions we have done or not done in life.
And doesn't everyone in some way preach to others to try and convince them of some belief or lack of belief? | |
"Your village called.........they're missing their idiot" | |
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| | NEZv69.69
Posts:0
| | 10/03/2007 9:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 10/03/2007 8:52 AM
And doesn't everyone in some way preach to others to try and convince them of some belief or lack of belief? I don't think so. These debates are by a very small minority of posters on here. And posters on here are a very small minority of the community. MOST atheists and christians I know, live in harmony. Besides, Agnostics truly don't give a crap...so they aren't convincing anyone of anything. | | | |
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| | Trogdor!
Posts:294
| | 10/03/2007 9:36 AM |
Alert | Grilladawg,
This would apply to those "left wing nuts" as well, however, none of the vegans that I have known ever preached to me about not eating meat. it was more like:
Troggie: I'll have the steak.
Vegan: I'll have the tofu.
T: Tofu?
V: Yeah, I don't eat meat.
T: Not even chicken or fish?
V: Nope.
T: Oh, okay, that's cool.
V: Yeah.
Java Lover,
Thanks for trying to avoid preaching! Just for future reference, don't ever quote scripture. That will get to nowhere with a non-theist (unless the conversation is specifically about scripture).
Jag,
It's not just on this forum, but in person as well. Yes, some have answered my questions without being preachy, but others try to inject "God" into everything that they post.
True, I'm not being forced to read this forum, and that's why I don't open up all of those prayer request threads. I believe that if there's a TV show/radio program/magazine/etc. that you find objectionable, then don't watch/listen/read it.
Jason,
This thread had certain individuals in mind, one of which is not you. In another thread that I started asking what it would take for someone to change their mind, I went so far as to purposely thank the people that responded honestly and then further clarified my question. I'm more than open to honest, critical discussion, but the preaching that I'm addressing here adds absolutely nothing to those discussions. I simply want people to think twice about their intentions before posting their preachings.
Copa Conscious,
I would have to agree with that.
JasonY,
Don't be ignorant. Just presenting your viewpoint is not the same as preaching, just as having no belief in "God" is not the same as having faith that there is no "God". The "holier than thou" attitude that some people have is obvious. | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/03/2007 9:41 AM |
Alert | | yawn... | | | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/03/2007 9:42 AM |
Alert | If and when I want to be preached too, I will do some research and seek you out.
Until then, SHUT UP. | | | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/03/2007 9:45 AM |
Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/03/2007 9:42 AM
If and when I want to be preached too, I will do some research and seek you out.
Until then, SHUT UP.
Seems to me if you didn't want to know about God you wouldn't read the threads... I think it's hard for Christians not to spread the word and yes,sometimes it comes out like preaching. But as many people have said, it's hard not to share what has made us happy in our lives and it's exciting the prospect of saving someone, or at least leading the way to salvation.
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/03/2007 9:57 AM |
Alert | You are so wise. I'll admit it. I do want to know about god and I do want to be on the path to salvation.
The problem is that there is no god and therein lies the rub.
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 10/03/2007 10:02 AM |
Alert | By Trogdor! on 10/3/2007 9:36:57 AM
Subject: RE: Why do you preach?
Message: Grilladawg,
This would apply to those "left wing nuts" as well, however, none of the vegans that I have known ever preached to me about not eating meat. it was more like:
Troggie: I'll have the steak.
Vegan: I'll have the tofu.
T: Tofu?
V: Yeah, I don't eat meat.
T: Not even chicken or fish?
V: Nope.
T: Oh, okay, that's cool.
V: Yeah.
Well, I hope you see the point Im getting across. In your situation, it seems that a lot of people seem to want to preach to you, or just upright preach to you.
Are you just talking about online or what not? Since you spelled out your atheist belief or stance, than most people would know.
When im on here, nobody really cares, I don't really dive into the religion vs. atheistic views, but if were talking about real life, than I find it very hard to believe and here's why.
I've never announced myself to others or strangers about my beliefs or about what religion I have unless I was asked, and that never happens. But, true story......I dated a very left wing nut who was a supreme vegetarian, I did not know this as I was first dating her and we did not talk about our dietary habits or what not. Than again, who does on their first date? I took her to an italian restaurant and I of course had something along the lines of meat, forgot what exactly...but it was probably spaghetti and meatballs or sausage. She told me, how could you eat such a thing, do you know how they are slaughtered....etc. etc. I was like, oooookkkay, nevertheless....the date didn't go so well.
She was telling me, what was wrong with me? Screw that.
Now, a religious nut telling me Im going to go to hell, or im not doing something right...whatever, never had it happen because you can't really tell unless looking at someone. I could have been an atheist, or I could believe in god.
The truth of the matter is, when it comes to politics.....it's usually the left wing nuts more than the conservatives that preach to me about their own left wing propaganda and agenda.
Here's a perfect example.
Me: yeah, I've been looking for a job recently, just got out of school...kinda' tough...but really...
liberal: well, tough because bush is in office....and the economy sucks etc. etc.
me: no, I don't think it has anything to do with Bush, as my field of study and the work out there doesn't work too well in AZ, I've been offered a job in Los Angelas, but the cost of living is too high, and I can't afford to move out there.
liberal: Well, cost of living is high....the war is racking up a bill and taking it's toll on everyone!!!
me: gives up.
true story. I once had to work at an apartment complex full of young college students. I told these kids to quiet it down one night as we were getting complaints....I was told I was over zealous, etc. etc. One of the kids, asked me what position I stood in politics, I said...well, im moreso a republican.....after that, all hell broke loose and somehow I got into a debate with this kid and his buddies. WTF?!? Why isn't it the other way around moreso? I've have family and friends from both sides of the political spectrum, I tend not to get too much involved, and for some reason we all get along. But, in essence...I believe that the left HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY be more outspoken and preach their notes to you more than I've seen religious conservative nuts to the left or those who don't agree with them.
I think there is problems on both sides I suppose...but from what i've seen...it's usually the pestering left which includes gay rights in your face, vegetarians/vegans, PETA people etc.
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| | JasonY
Posts:1821
| | 10/03/2007 10:34 AM |
Alert | | Trogdor, I am far from ignorant my friend. Viewpoints and beliefs go hand in hand. People believe what they want to believe in or not to believe in, that's their right. Lack of respect from both sides seems to be the big problem. | |
"Your village called.........they're missing their idiot" | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/03/2007 10:45 AM |
Alert | | I don't believe it is lack of respect. It is inconceivable to us that anyone could read the bible and not think it is fiction. | | | |
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| | NEZv69.69
Posts:0
| | 10/03/2007 10:51 AM |
Alert | | I think the Bible should be placed in the Mythology section. | | | |
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| | Trogdor!
Posts:294
| | 10/03/2007 11:08 AM |
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Grilladawg,
The preaching happens in both real life and on the forum. No, granted, it's a little more "invited" on the forum when the thread is in the "Religion" section and everyone is debating, but truly do not believe that the preaching adds any value to the discussion.
In real life, it's a lot more invasive. I'm actually a very nice person if you ever meet me, and that's probably part of the problem. Eventually, a conversation will wander into "So what church do you go to?" territory. It's at this point that things spiral down into the preaching. It's even worse when you see these people on a regular basis and they make it their mission to "save" you. It's even worse if/when I reveal to them that I'm agnostic!
I may as well throw out the door-to-door Mormons too. If that's not invasive, I don't know what is. There certainly aren't non-theists going around door-to-door telling people about Darwin.
The political realm that you mentioned is a whole different animal. You would certainly get the same thing from conservatives if a Democrat was President. Heck, I still hear people go on and on about Bill Clinton! Regarding your college students experience, they were probably just being rowdy. They were having fun, you were the "buzz-kill", argument ensues.
I think there is problems on both sides I suppose
Very true.
Lack of respect from both sides seems to be the big problem.
The "lack of respect" is exactly the "holier than thou" attitude that I'm addressing. BTW, my apologies for the "ignorant" remark. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/03/2007 11:35 AM |
Alert | I think there is problems on both sides I suppose...but from what i've seen...it's usually the pestering left which includes gay rights in your face, vegetarians/vegans, PETA people etc.
True. Maybe Christians should start tossing blood, nails and wood at people who insult Christianity?  | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/03/2007 11:43 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/03/2007 11:35 AM I think there is problems on both sides I suppose...but from what i've seen...it's usually the pestering left which includes gay rights in your face, vegetarians/vegans, PETA people etc. True. Maybe Christians should start tossing blood, nails and wood at people who insult Christianity? 
And the Catholics can have their priests grope your kids. They like that sort of thing there. | | | |
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