joe_2007
Posts:83
 | | 09/27/2007 4:25 PM |
 Alert | So what five items would be at the top of your list of "Physical/Scientific evidence that makes me believe there is no god"?
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Michelle
Posts:102
| | 09/27/2007 6:57 PM |
Alert | Is this a trick question? The burden of proof is on the believer.
What are your top five reasons for not believing in the pink and green spotted dragon that lives in my backyard? | |
I used to be Chelle.
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/27/2007 7:13 PM |
Alert | Is this a trick question? The burden of proof is on the believer.
 Not again!
I know it's hard to wrap your mind around the concept, but if an atheist's claim is that there is no supernatural being, which is not an outlandish concept like you're suggesting, then I would like to know the reason for the rejection.
What are your top five reasons for not believing in the pink and green spotted dragon that lives in my backyard?
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Trogdor!
Posts:294
| | 09/27/2007 7:31 PM |
Alert | Jason,
Why isn't the burden of proof on the believer?
Joe,
It's not that there's evidence against "God", but rather that there's no evidence for "God".
Like Michelle said, "The burden of proof is on the believer." | |
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BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/27/2007 7:57 PM |
Alert | C'mon Chelle, I heard from someone who heard from someone else who read in a book that there is indeed a pink and green spotted dragon in your backyard! And I prayed to the PAGSD and he answered my prayers!!! So it MUST be true!!! I can feel him in my soul!
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/27/2007 8:04 PM |
Alert | Posted By Trogdor! on 09/27/2007 7:31 PM
Jason,
Why isn't the burden of proof on the believer?
Joe,
It's not that there's evidence against "God", but rather that there's no evidence for "God".
Like Michelle said, "The burden of proof is on the believer."
It goes both ways. The only person who doesn't have to present evidence would be the one who hasn't made up their mind. If you're going to say that you believe that something can't happen, you need proof. Haven't you ever watched an episode of MythBusters? 
If I say that a Toyota Corolla absolutely can't fly off of the road at 65 MPH, I need proof. If I say it absolutely will, I need proof. | |
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BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/27/2007 8:07 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 09/27/2007 8:04 PM Posted By Trogdor! on 09/27/2007 7:31 PM
Jason,
Why isn't the burden of proof on the believer?
Joe,
It's not that there's evidence against "God", but rather that there's no evidence for "God".
Like Michelle said, "The burden of proof is on the believer." It goes both ways. The only person who doesn't have to present evidence would be the one who hasn't made up their mind. If you're going to say that you believe that something can't happen, you need proof. Haven't you ever watched an episode of MythBusters?  If I say that a Toyota Corolla absolutely can't fly off of the road at 65 MPH, I need proof. If I say it absolutely will, I need proof.
But dude, you can test the Toyota Corolla therory and see for yourself! Not so with superstitions and irrational beliefs!
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/27/2007 8:10 PM |
Alert | But dude, you can test the Toyota Corolla therory and see for yourself! Not so with superstitions and irrational beliefs!
Not a very scientific attitude...tsk...tsk...... | |
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BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/27/2007 8:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 09/27/2007 8:10 PM But dude, you can test the Toyota Corolla therory and see for yourself! Not so with superstitions and irrational beliefs! Not a very scientific attitude...tsk...tsk......
Huh? That seemed pretty scientific to me. Get in a Toyota Corolla, hit 65 MPH and see what happens! BAM! You have your answer! | | | |
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drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 09/28/2007 12:35 AM |
Alert | | You guys are just as bad as any organized religion. You're trying too hard to make your point of there not being a GOD. Who cares? | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/28/2007 1:17 AM |
Alert | Posted By BeerLeague2 on 09/27/2007 8:16 PM Posted By Jason on 09/27/2007 8:10 PM But dude, you can test the Toyota Corolla therory and see for yourself! Not so with superstitions and irrational beliefs! Not a very scientific attitude...tsk...tsk...... Huh? That seemed pretty scientific to me. Get in a Toyota Corolla, hit 65 MPH and see what happens! BAM! You have your answer!
I meant the other part of your statement. | |
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joe_2007
Posts:83
| | 09/28/2007 7:00 AM |
Alert | I should have known better than to ask a simple question. 
Lets say that you have a piece of paper with two columns that are labeled "GOD" and "Naturalism/Atheism".
Think now about all the evidence that atheist claim to have for believing in random chance for the universe. What five would be at the top of your Naturalism column?
Notice I did not title the column 'Evolution', since this is just piece of the atheistic view. | | | |
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joe_2007
Posts:83
| | 09/28/2007 7:03 AM |
Alert | There is no 'burden of proof' here. I am just asking what YOU look at and say "NO God".
I am also just talking about physical/scientific evidences. Not things like war, since those are man-made, and just blamed on a diety. | | | |
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NEZv69.69
Posts:0
| | 09/28/2007 7:41 AM |
Alert | | What am I if I believe in Jesus Christ....but I don't believe in the New Testament?? | | | |
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Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/28/2007 7:47 AM |
Alert | Posted By joe_2007 on 09/28/2007 7:03 AM
There is no 'burden of proof' here. I am just asking what YOU look at and say "NO God".
I am also just talking about physical/scientific evidences. Not things like war, since those are man-made, and just blamed on a diety.
Three words "Dick Cheney Lives." Proof there is no god. This man is so evil, has had too many heart attacks to count, he's fat, he's angry, he's another heart attack waiting to happen - - and yet he walks the Earth. He should have flatlined a long time ago.
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Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 09/28/2007 7:52 AM |
Alert | 1. Complete and utter lack of any evidence supporting a belief in such a being.
2. The Easter Bunny
3. The Tooth Fairy
4. Santa Claus
5. Purple Ass-Monkeys (as distinguished from purple-assed monkeys... which of course I believe in.) | | | |
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Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 09/28/2007 7:53 AM |
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1. No empirical evidence suggesting a supreme being.
2. Nature is not perfect and therefore does not suggest a perfect creator- or any creator.
3. The level of destruction, pain, hatred and suffering in this world is not conducive to the existence of a loving or powerful god. If such a god does exist, then that god is a monster of the highest order.
4. My life is full of purpose and meaning without the existence of a god.
5. My sense of morality and justice often outshines the vast majority of Christians that I know- which only proves to me that a god is not necessary for peace and harmony among humans. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/28/2007 10:13 AM |
Alert | 1. No empirical evidence suggesting a supreme being.
I love this one...How did the universe start?
2. Nature is not perfect and therefore does not suggest a perfect creator- or any creator.
Are you familiar with the concept of sin?
3. The level of destruction, pain, hatred and suffering in this world is not conducive to the existence of a loving or powerful god. If such a god does exist, then that god is a monster of the highest order.
What makes you an authority on what level of destruction is acceptable?
5. My sense of morality and justice often outshines the vast majority of Christians that I know- which only proves to me that a god is not necessary for peace and harmony among humans.
What makes your morals authoritative? I ask this over and over and over again, but I never get an answer. | |
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joe_2007
Posts:83
| | 09/28/2007 10:28 AM |
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That's what I thought. Atheists have no evidence supporting what they believe. Or maybe they are just not intelligent enough to discuss it rationaly. That's why they come back with answers like "The Easter Bunny".
Yes. I am poking you with a stick to answer the questions. No I don't believe what I just wrote, but you are starting to lead me in that direction. My statements above are almost as stupid as ChimneyDuck saying:
Posted By ChimneyDuck on 09/27/2007 4:44 PM
4) I realize that ID followers don't understand probability.
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Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 09/28/2007 10:38 AM |
Alert | I have FAITH in the Easter Bunny, just like you and your "god".
If you can have an imaginary friend, why can't I ? | | | |
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