Trogdor!
Posts:294
 | | 09/26/2007 11:03 AM |
 Alert | ...to change your mind about religion?
This includes:
- changing faiths (e.g. Christian to Jewish)
- accepting religion
- accepting atheism/agnosticism
Personally, I'm agnostic (even though my sig says differently). I would only need a simple miracle to change my mind. Changing water into wine will do. | |
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Ace of Spades
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| | 09/26/2007 11:36 AM |
Alert | | What about changing grape juice into wine? | | | |
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BeerLeague2
Posts:111
| | 09/26/2007 5:20 PM |
Alert | | All I would need to believe in a supernatural being would be a miracle. The miracle would be the end to all wars, poverty, suffering and hatred. That about sums it up. | | | |
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Veritas
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| | 09/26/2007 7:45 PM |
Alert | | How much suffering is too much? | | | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/26/2007 7:57 PM |
Alert | Posted By Trogdor! on 09/26/2007 11:03 AM
...to change your mind about religion?
This includes:
- changing faiths (e.g. Christian to Jewish)
- accepting religion
- accepting atheism/agnosticism
Personally, I'm agnostic (even though my sig says differently). I would only need a simple miracle to change my mind. Changing water into wine will do.
Well since I think that religion generally sucks ... someone would have to put an end to all stupid human tricks. I don't do religion; however, I really do enjoy my relationship with God and the fellowship that I have with most believers.
To go from Christianity to Judaism, someone would have to prove that the New Testament is all wrong and that every revelation that God has provided in both the New and Old Testament is false.
In order to accept atheism or agnosticism, I would need to embrace philosophies that are self-defeating. Blunt force trauma may also be necessary ...  | | | |
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MommaToni
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| | 09/26/2007 9:23 PM |
Alert | | Veritas.... I like that name.....yes I know what it means =) I was just saying "good choice"..haha | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/26/2007 11:14 PM |
Alert | cool ... thanX ... but I think that you have one too many "b's" and three too many "s's" in "Ppppppbbbbbbssssssssssttttttttt!" I lost a spelling bee once on that word ... at least I was able to use it in a full an complete sentence though. or is it  ... oh crap, I can't remember now. | | | |
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Jason
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| | 09/27/2007 12:59 AM |
Alert | | Ohhhhhhh....and here I was thinking it had something to do with backup software... | |
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Michelle
Posts:102
| | 09/27/2007 10:54 AM |
Alert | | If God spoke to me, I'd believe I was delusional before I believed that there was a God. I would have to lose all capacity to reason before I became a theist. | |
I used to be Chelle.
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TheBoymaker
Posts:787
| | 09/27/2007 2:04 PM |
Alert | | I guess that whatever resonates within me when I think of God would have to be extinguished for me to change. I've been angry with God, and very disobedient. I've doubted His concern for mankind, especially for me. But I've never been able to not feel anything when I think of Him. | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/27/2007 2:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By TheBoymaker on 09/27/2007 2:04 PM
I guess that whatever resonates within me when I think of God would have to be extinguished for me to change.
Change to/from what? I've lost track of the thread here.
Posted By TheBoymaker on 09/27/2007 2:04 PM
I've been angry with God, and very disobedient.
If you don't mind saying so here, why are you angry?
Posted By TheBoymaker on 09/27/2007 2:04 PM
I've doubted His concern for mankind, especially for me.
Why do you feel this way?
Posted By TheBoymaker on 09/27/2007 2:04 PM
But I've never been able to not feel anything when I think of Him.
Can you describe this a little more? What are those feelings? | | | |
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TheBoymaker
Posts:787
| | 09/27/2007 2:15 PM |
Alert | In order for me to change my position about God, I would have to no longer have an emotional response when I think of Him. That's not very complicated, is it? It seems like a pretty standard human condition to being willing to walk away when the love is gone.
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/27/2007 2:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 09/27/2007 10:54 AM
If God spoke to me, I'd believe I was delusional before I believed that there was a God. I would have to lose all capacity to reason before I became a theist.
So, if God actually did speak to you, then you'd have to lose your own mind in order to accept the Ultimate Mind?
Also, why is theism unreasonable?
Also also, define reason.
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Michelle
Posts:102
| | 09/27/2007 3:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By Veritas on 09/27/2007 2:18 PM Posted By Michelle on 09/27/2007 10:54 AM
If God spoke to me, I'd believe I was delusional before I believed that there was a God. I would have to lose all capacity to reason before I became a theist. So, if God actually did speak to you, then you'd have to lose your own mind in order to accept the Ultimate Mind?
Veritas,
You do Weird Things with capitalization.
Posted By Veritas on 09/27/2007 2:18 PM
Also also, define reason.
http://www.dictionary.com
Enjoy!
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JAG
Posts:528
| | 09/27/2007 4:17 PM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 09/27/2007 3:42 PM Veritas, You do Weird Things with capitalization. 
Its a old Greek tradition that has stayed with Christianity. I mean there were alot of christs, but only The Christ. Whenever I refer to God I always capitalise. Him Her They.
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Michelle
Posts:102
| | 09/27/2007 7:04 PM |
Alert | | So JAG = Veritas? | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/27/2007 7:13 PM |
Alert | | uh, no ... JAG was not careful with his/her pronouns | | | |
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Trogdor!
Posts:294
| | 09/27/2007 7:28 PM |
Alert | In order to accept atheism or agnosticism, I would need to embrace philosophies that are self-defeating.
How is atheism or agnosticism self-defeating?
In order for me to change my position about God, I would have to no longer have an emotional response when I think of Him.
So, your belief in "God" stems is dependent on a "feeling"?
Its a old Greek tradition that has stayed with Christianity. I mean there were alot of christs, but only The Christ. Whenever I refer to God I always capitalize. Him Her They.
Whenever I refer to "God" I either use lowercase or quotes if I am capitalizing (see like I just did). I don't like giving that concept any more substantiation that it deserves.
So, if God actually did speak to you, then you'd have to lose your own mind in order to accept the Ultimate Mind?
You're assuming that there is an "Ultimate Mind". She's just saying that she would consider herself crazy if "God" spoke to her. This makes sense, though. Why should the voice of "God" be given special treatment over any of the other voices a person may hear and be considered crazy?
Thanks for the responses, BTW! Just to clarify a little bit, I was hoping for things that exist in the physical realm rather than "feelings". | |
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Veritas
Posts:250
| | 09/27/2007 7:40 PM |
Alert | Trogdor ... repost WITHOUT the comments from JAG and I'll be glad to respond.
Sincerely,
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/27/2007 7:51 PM |
Alert | You're assuming that there is an "Ultimate Mind". She's just saying that she would consider herself crazy if "God" spoke to her. This makes sense, though. Why should the voice of "God" be given special treatment over any of the other voices a person may hear and be considered crazy?
Bear with me here...
Suppose you were locked in a closet. Now, let's suppose that this is a sufficiently large closet, that you can be on the far end of it without hearing what is on the other side of the door. Now suppose that, while locked in the closet, you and your wife have a child. The child knows nothing about the outside world and refuses to leave that corner of the closet. You draw them pictures of what the outside world looks like, but they ask you to prove that there are trees and grass. All they see is carpet and shelving. You tell them that you hear a voice on the other side of the door telling you that one day the closet will be unlocked, but they call you crazy. Normal people don't hear voices, the child tells you.
There was a time when people thought it was crazy to even think that the earth wasn't flat. Then there were people who thought it was crazy to even think that we weren't the center of the galaxy, never mind a universe. Just because you can't prove something at the present time, doesn't make it less true. | |
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