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06woman
Posts:356
 | | 07/11/2007 8:11 AM |
 Alert | Here's an article that maps out the life lessons taught in the Harry Potter series.
[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/179/story_17922_1.html[/url]
I'd like to know what all the hard core Christians on this forum think about Harry Potter. Is it immoral? | |
"Happiness is a journey...not a destination."
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." -
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This is my son and a Lake Erie sunset. July 8,2007
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| | Your English Teacher
Posts:5
| | 07/11/2007 4:25 PM |
Alert | Oh no, honey. Harry Potter has driven millions of today's youth towards the library and the bookstore. He, almost alone, has served to inspire young children to read and enjoy the English language. How could someone who does all that, fictional as he may be, be evil?
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| | tirobinson
Posts:0
| | 07/11/2007 4:50 PM |
Alert | God spoke to Israel not to practice their spirituality as the pagan nations, and neither should we. Deuteronomy 18:10-13 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. "There shall not be found among you anyone w ho makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses ,divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, ( one who casts a spell, )or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead (Necromancer). For whoever does these things an abomination to the Lord." These (and more) are all the things practiced by Harry Potter in the books, contacting the dead, séances. No Christian (or non Christian) should ignore the possible influences of this book that positively promotes the occult when God has forbidden this. No one can deny that after reading these books they are not more open to accepting occult ideas. They make it look fun, I can only wonder why Christian parents would ignore the actual content and promote the book because of its quality of writing.
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| | Nothingtodo
Posts:283
| | 07/12/2007 1:01 AM |
Alert | Um....*raising hand*.... I can deny that I'm more open to occult ideas after reading Harry Potter. What kind of dolt thinks they can use magic after watching a movie about magic? Are you going around talking to pigs on the off shot one might say 'hey' back after Charlotte's Web?
Did God specify in the bible which stories were okay to read? That bible quote was about practicing witchcraft, not reading about it, but nice try.
It's simply fiction and yes, it's well-written fiction, in my opinion. If someone can't separate fact from fiction, what is true from what is make believe, they may want to consider some treatment for their schizophrenia. | |
I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven’t got the guts to bite people themselves. ~Sir Geoffrey Streatfield | |
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| | Blue Orchid
Posts:658
| | 07/12/2007 1:45 AM |
Alert | I've read each book five or six times since last October--so far I have not attempted to fly on a broom, cast or spell or speak to the dead. My brother and nephew have been reading the books since the first one came out and have not tried any of these things either. As a matter of fact, my nephew attends church services regularly and attends catchism classes in addition to classes preparing him for his Confimation. He made his First Holy Communion last year. There is no conflict in his life between his faith and Harry Potter--at the ripe ole age of 10 he knows fiction when he reads it.
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| | AzSandSlinger
Posts:481
| | 07/12/2007 5:56 AM |
Alert | religious wacko's...
IT'S A BOOK.. IT'S FICTION...
You have to be half an idiot to think reading a book will cause you to sway to the occult....
-Shane | |
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|  | TheBoymaker
Posts:690
| | 07/12/2007 11:29 AM |
Alert | Posted By 06woman on 07/11/2007 8:11 AM
Here's an article that maps out the life lessons taught in the Harry Potter series.
[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/179/story_17922_1.html[/url]
I'd like to know what all the hard core Christians on this forum think about Harry Potter. Is it immoral?
Since you are asking for an exclusively Christian POV, let me put my halo on first. 
I understand the reservations that believers have about their children reading books that seemingly glorify witchcraft. However, I allowed my son to read them amidst the heyday of the backlash against it when he asked to. I felt that if a book could undo years of teaching and setting an example, then I was in trouble.
Then last year I started to read the series in order to have something to talk to my eldest about. I fell in love with it. I think the books provide an excellent vision of friendship, adolescence, the trappings of intolerance, and even a peek into the British culture. I told my 6YO to put his knickers away and he dissolved into giggles.
Honestly, I try very hard not to find things to fear in the name of religion. Practicing witchcraft is against God's will, but reading a novel that includes it is not. There are many useful and delightful moments in the HP series and it shouldn't be shunned because it's rich in childish magic. It never claims to be true and doesn't, in my experience, challenge any beliefs that I have nor does it tempt me to cast spells on people who annoy me (karma usually takes care of them). Oh WAIT, karma isn't Christian either, (smacks forehead), but reaping what you sow is. | |
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| | GregH
Posts:10
| | 07/12/2007 12:42 PM |
Alert | | I don't see Harry Potter as being any more evil than the plots and characters of Christian novelist Frank Peretti - whose books rock!! | | | |
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| | richfellow
Posts:233
| | 07/12/2007 1:31 PM |
Alert | Is Harry Potter evil? Never read it. But like anything, if you position yourself so you are familiar with something, then your chances are better to assimilate the actions then if you didn't.
If I wanted to be a bowler than my chances are better if I went and hung out at a bowling alley.
If I wanted to be a baseball player I would be best to hang out where people play.
If I wanted to ride a bike, chances to do that would be better if I bought one.
Watching the movie does not a bad person be! Watching the movie might never affect most people, but watching the movie may plant a seed.
Sometimes something will have the opposite effect! A drunken father may produce a drinkless child. Christian parents may have a non-Christian child. The exposure may turn off the child and vow to be the opposite. How many of us can say we did something opposite of what was expected?
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| | tirobinson
Posts:0
| | 07/12/2007 1:34 PM |
Alert | All readers of the Harry Potters books will not become witches, but there are seeds being planted in our children. A lot of the children watching or reading this and other programs live in a home where they do not even know God or know that the things in these movies are bad. It's amazing we live in a time where we accept witch craft, however prayer in school and the name of Jesus not allowed because it might offend someone.
The Bible instructs us, "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes." It goes on to say, "I hate the works of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me."
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| | Trogdor!
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| | | bstoneaz
Posts:404
| | 07/12/2007 2:32 PM |
Alert | Posted By Nothingtodo on 07/12/2007 1:01 AM
Um....*raising hand*.... I can deny that I'm more open to occult ideas after reading Harry Potter. What kind of dolt thinks they can use magic after watching a movie about magic? Are you going around talking to pigs on the off shot one might say 'hey' back after Charlotte's Web?
Did God specify in the bible which stories were okay to read? That bible quote was about practicing witchcraft, not reading about it, but nice try.
It's simply fiction and yes, it's well-written fiction, in my opinion. If someone can't separate fact from fiction, what is true from what is make believe, they may want to consider some treatment for their schizophrenia.
Would you say music or video games contribute to violence? | |
Just the good ol' boys,
Never meanin' no harm,
Beats all you've ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Straight'nin' the curve,
Flat'nin' the hills.
Someday the moutain might get 'em, but the law never will.
Makin' their way,
The only way they know how,
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
Just good ol' boys,
Wouldn't change if they could,
Fightin' the system like a true modern day Robin Hood. | |
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| | AzSandSlinger
Posts:481
| | 07/12/2007 2:44 PM |
Alert | I'm with you Trogdor...
I happen to think our children are A LOT smarter than what people believe.. I think that it is my responsibility to show them the right path, but ultimately it is them who must walk it.. You are the only one responsible for your actions.. not movies, video games, books, etc.. In my experience, children who grow up with strict religious parents tend to rebel more than the average child... you can talk about the BS "seeds" all you want.. but the onus falls upon the decision of the individual... you can't shelter your children from reality (or FICTIONAL fantasy) forvever..
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| | 06woman
Posts:356
| | 07/12/2007 5:17 PM |
Alert | Posted By tirobinson on 07/12/2007 1:34 PM
All readers of the Harry Potters books will not become witches, but there are seeds being planted in our children. A lot of the children watching or reading this and other programs live in a home where they do not even know God or know that the things in these movies are bad. It's amazing we live in a time where we accept witch craft, however prayer in school and the name of Jesus not allowed because it might offend someone.
The Bible instructs us, "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes." It goes on to say, "I hate the works of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me."
There are many people that believe in all different faiths or no faith at all that are wonderful, moral, caring humans. Your preaching to me is an indication of arrogance that you believe that your Christian faith is superior to any others instead of just being your belief.
This is fictional witchcraft, however, I can tell you that the Wiccan religion has been around longer than Christianity. It is not evil or bad unless it is used for doing evil or bad things. Your statement makes you look ignorant. What do you know about Wicca? | |
"Happiness is a journey...not a destination."
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." -
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This is my son and a Lake Erie sunset. July 8,2007
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| | 06woman
Posts:356
| | 07/12/2007 5:22 PM |
Alert | I think we all need to teach our children tolerance to many different views and educate them or give them access to education about many cultures and religions. It teaches tolerance and understanding of diversity.
We discuss back and forth on this forum, however, I do not think someone is bad because they believe in Christianity and I don't. If they have found their peace in that, then great. It's arrogance for it that I do not like and I don't say all Christians are like that. I like friendly debate and I also like to learn more if there's anything put out there for me to learn. Tirobinson is just preaching and it's sick. That to me, is equivalent to cursing, which tell me, is it not a pagan or wiccan act? | |
"Happiness is a journey...not a destination."
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." -
Dr. Wayne W. Dyer
This is my son and a Lake Erie sunset. July 8,2007
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| | tirobinson
Posts:0
| | 07/12/2007 8:20 PM |
Alert | Posted By 06woman on 7/11/2007 8:11:20 AM
Subject: Is Harry Potter evil?
Message: Here's an article that maps out the life lessons taught in the Harry Potter series.
[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/179/story_17922_1.html[/url]
I'd like to know what all the hard core Christians on this forum think about Harry Potter. Is it immoral?
It is amazing that you ask what a Christian thinks and when it is given you go in to some rampage about how I am preaching.
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| | J9Design
Posts:271
| | 07/12/2007 8:35 PM |
Alert | Posted By 06woman on 07/12/2007 5:17 PM Posted By tirobinson on 07/12/2007 1:34 PM
All readers of the Harry Potters books will not become witches, but there are seeds being planted in our children. A lot of the children watching or reading this and other programs live in a home where they do not even know God or know that the things in these movies are bad. It's amazing we live in a time where we accept witch craft, however prayer in school and the name of Jesus not allowed because it might offend someone.
The Bible instructs us, "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes." It goes on to say, "I hate the works of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me."
There are many people that believe in all different faiths or no faith at all that are wonderful, moral, caring humans. Your preaching to me is an indication of arrogance that you believe that your Christian faith is superior to any others instead of just being your belief. This is fictional witchcraft, however, I can tell you that the Wiccan religion has been around longer than Christianity. It is not evil or bad unless it is used for doing evil or bad things. Your statement makes you look ignorant. What do you know about Wicca?
Where is the arrogance here? | |
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| | Nothingtodo
Posts:283
| | 07/13/2007 12:13 AM |
Alert | Posted By bstoneaz on 07/12/2007 2:32 PM Posted By Nothingtodo on 07/12/2007 1:01 AM
Um....*raising hand*.... I can deny that I'm more open to occult ideas after reading Harry Potter. What kind of dolt thinks they can use magic after watching a movie about magic? Are you going around talking to pigs on the off shot one might say 'hey' back after Charlotte's Web?
Did God specify in the bible which stories were okay to read? That bible quote was about practicing witchcraft, not reading about it, but nice try.
It's simply fiction and yes, it's well-written fiction, in my opinion. If someone can't separate fact from fiction, what is true from what is make believe, they may want to consider some treatment for their schizophrenia. Would you say music or video games contribute to violence?
I would say that movies and video games 'ramp up' what's already inside of you. I think people who feel angry and violent naturally gravitate towards violent music and video games. So maybe, in the sense that it contributes to perpetuating violent feelings.
However, avoiding or prohibiting violent music or video games would only work to decrease violence if everything around the violent person changed, too, like traffic, long lines, MIL's, etc. | |
I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven’t got the guts to bite people themselves. ~Sir Geoffrey Streatfield | |
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| | bstoneaz
Posts:404
| | 07/13/2007 5:54 AM |
Alert | Posted By Nothingtodo on 07/13/2007 12:13 AM Posted By bstoneaz on 07/12/2007 2:32 PM Posted By Nothingtodo on 07/12/2007 1:01 AM
Um....*raising hand*.... I can deny that I'm more open to occult ideas after reading Harry Potter. What kind of dolt thinks they can use magic after watching a movie about magic? Are you going around talking to pigs on the off shot one might say 'hey' back after Charlotte's Web?
Did God specify in the bible which stories were okay to read? That bible quote was about practicing witchcraft, not reading about it, but nice try.
It's simply fiction and yes, it's well-written fiction, in my opinion. If someone can't separate fact from fiction, what is true from what is make believe, they may want to consider some treatment for their schizophrenia. Would you say music or video games contribute to violence? I would say that movies and video games 'ramp up' what's already inside of you. I think people who feel angry and violent naturally gravitate towards violent music and video games. So maybe, in the sense that it contributes to perpetuating violent feelings. However, avoiding or prohibiting violent music or video games would only work to decrease violence if everything around the violent person changed, too, like traffic, long lines, MIL's, etc.
If music and video games contribute to violence that means the same people who should be able to seperate fact and fiction from the Harry Potter books are now unable to do so for the video game or music?
You see, your argument, although valid, has one major flaw; if you believe people should be able to seperate fact and fiction from a book you also must believe people can seperate fact and fiction in everything.
I can't stand people who won't take responsibility for their kid's actions and instead blame rap music or Grand Theft Auto for their kid's behavior. If your kid is a thug it probably has something to do with how he was raised not the fact he shot four people in the face and curb stomped another while trying to carjack someone...in a video game.
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Just the good ol' boys,
Never meanin' no harm,
Beats all you've ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Straight'nin' the curve,
Flat'nin' the hills.
Someday the moutain might get 'em, but the law never will.
Makin' their way,
The only way they know how,
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
Just good ol' boys,
Wouldn't change if they could,
Fightin' the system like a true modern day Robin Hood. | |
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| | 06woman
Posts:356
| | 07/13/2007 9:10 AM |
Alert | I asked for the opinion of Harry Potter, yes, but not a sermon. The statement made by tirobinson was basically an assumption that if one is not a Christian, then there's something wrong with that person. If you knew anything about Wicca, you wouldn't condemn those people for doing it, you may choose not to participate because of your Christian beliefs, but it does not make that person evil.
I asked for an opinion to start a discussion. Is there something wrong with that? Or...was I supposed to just read subsequent posts but not interject anything? This is my thread that I started and I choose to provoke debate on the subject. | |
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