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Holy Roller
Posts:25
 | | 08/15/2007 2:24 PM |
 Alert | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20279326/?GT1=10252#storyContinued
This artical claims God does not care what you call him, I just want to say if God did not care He would not have said
Do ALL things in the Name of Jesus!
There is only one name and His name is Jesus  | | | |
| | jhall
Posts:1335
| | 08/16/2007 7:47 AM |
Alert | | It shows what lack of Authority and leadership he has..... | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:829
| | 08/16/2007 12:45 PM |
Alert | Yes, well the Dutch aren't known these days for their revival meetings.
After Muslim killers took the life of Theo Van Gogh simply for making a film about a Muslim woman, it's no surprise to me that a weak Dutch church would step aside so easily. | |
Poster formerly known as Sassafrass. | |
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 08/16/2007 2:57 PM |
Alert | | IMO, ANYONE who presumes to know the "name of God" is presumptious at best. How can we possibly know God's name? I know my concept of a higher power, if embodied as a man, wouldn't care if we called him George the Begonia King if we would stop destroying the gift of life we've been given by slaughtering each other in His name! | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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| | Holy Roller
Posts:25
| | 08/16/2007 4:14 PM |
Alert | God shows us in His word what his name is and He uses over and over to show how important it is:
Call His Name Jesus!
John 1:1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.
The one that dwelt among us was (JESUS)!
Luke 1:30-33 "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son
of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. "
Matt 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of
you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive
the gift of the Holy Ghost."
1Cor 1:2 "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: "
Acts 8:12 "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men
and women."
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| | IrishCream
Posts:277
| | 08/22/2007 12:27 AM |
Alert |  Then why did all the disciples and followers call Jesus "Lord"? Why does the bible, especially Old Testament, have so many references to God and use so many different names? Oh that's right, after Christianity was formed, the Old Testament lost any intrinsic value or truth, except when it's convenient to quote while proving a point to non-believers! Even Amy Grant, during her Christian Rock days, sang El Shaddi, and that doesn't mean Jesus folks!
I respect everyone's right to believe what makes them feel the most joy and peace, so please don't get me wrong! This religion is just so confusing (to me) and with the "induction" of each new "branch", it gets more and more difficult to navigate the truth behind the denominations! Sorry!
God does not, or at the very least, should not care what you call him, as long as you are calling upon him/her/it, whatever. In a perfect world....ahhh, never mind.
Blessings to you all, goodnight!  | |
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
— Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
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|  | JennyPStefanow
Posts:166
| | 08/22/2007 12:55 AM |
Alert | Oh boy. I had to stumble into the religion threads when it's late and can't sleep!
I'll just say I personally believe in Jesus. But I respect those who do not. From what I've learned (granted, most of it comes from the Discovery Times Channel, et. al.), Jesus appears in both the Bible and the Koran. So...? | |
<---Look, Ma! I sit, I stay, I match the carpet! | |
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| | IrishCream
Posts:277
| | 08/22/2007 1:08 AM |
Alert | JennyP, Jesus appeared in a lot of religious texts, with variations on the name, but time period is very close to his "missing years" in the New Testament. I absolutely believe in Jesus, I have a very close relationship with him, but I am NOT a Christian. I was at one time, but a whole lot of "led" independant research has brought me down a different path of "understanding".
This is why I request a "Spiritual" forum lol! I have lots to talk about, lots to share and learn, but "Religion" is a very dangerous place to post hehe! And I'd like to know how many people in this here town can share these things without feeling offended or without assigning me "lables", ya know? I'm not evil, I love Jesus Christ, I just happen to see things differently than Christians because of things I have discovered. (And I LOVE Discovery Channel!) | |
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
— Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:829
| | 08/22/2007 12:38 PM |
Alert | The OT provides God's names in the context that it exalts His qualities.
The one that you named, IrishCreme, means "God all sufficient". It isn't a completely separate name, but a title. It's like you calling your husband "great helper", or "excellent provider", or "thoughtful friend". You aren't changing his name, but praising his character.
So yes, you are confused and I understand. I have spoken to pastors, ministers and priests who can't explain what it is that they believe clearly. There's stuff that I don't get. But the name of God is pretty clear if the Scriptures are taken as a whole.
This list is probably what you are thinking of. Amy Grant called Him El Shaddai, El Elyon and also Adonai in that song. That meant that she was praising Him as almighty, most high Lord.
EL: God "mighty, strong, prominent"
ELOHIM: God "Creator, Preserver, Transcendent, Mighty and Strong"
EL SHADDAI: God "Almighty" or "God All Sufficient"
EL ELYON: God "Most High"
ADONAI: "Master'' or "Lord
JEHOVAH: LORD in our English Bibles (all capitals). Yahweh,"The Self-Existent One"
JEHOVAH-JIREH: "The Lord will Provide"
JEHOVAH-ROPHE: "The Lord Who Heals"
JEHOVAH-NISSI: "The Lord Our Banner"
JEHOVAH-M'KADDESH: "The Lord Who Sanctifies"
JEHOVAH-SHALOM: "The Lord Our Peace"
JEHOVAH ELOHIM: "LORD God"
JEHOVAH-TSIDKENU "The Lord Our Righteousness"
JEHOVAH-ROHI: "The Lord Our Shepherd"
JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH: "The Lord is There"
JEHOVAH-SABAOTH: "The Lord of Hosts"
God gave his name to Moses as YHWH (Yahweh), meaning "I AM". In other words, He has always been here, is the source of everything, and is eternal.
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:829
| | 08/22/2007 12:49 PM |
Alert | Oh and I strongly disagree that the OT lost value or "truth". I don't know of any educated, informed, Christian who would agree with you. Christ fulfilled the prophecies and lived the life that was expected of us in the OT. Those Scriptures have great value if we are to understand what we were actually saved from. They are the Christian's history. Actually, they are the world's history. Biblical Archaeology is a huge, proper field of research that has discovered and validated one OT location after another. In fact, to my knowledge, the Bible has yet to be contradicted by archaeology. A lot has yet to be verified, but nothing has been disproven.
I'm not sure where you have been getting this information about "different" names and useless testaments but there's no truth in those statements as far as I know.
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| | desertgal
Posts:147
| | 08/28/2007 9:57 AM |
Alert | | As far as I know, Jesus was mentioned in the Koran and other religious books only as a prophet or wise man...not as Jesus, the Son of God. Only in the Holy Bible was He clearly a part of the Holy Trinity. | |
Proud conservatives happily living on our acreage in the beautiful mountains of Hidden Valley with no HOA. | |
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