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cholo bandito
Posts:817
 | | 09/26/2008 6:14 AM |
 Alert | Posted By moinmoin on 09/25/2008 4:46 PM Posted By -Percival- on 09/24/2008 7:26 PM
As for the title of this thread, it would be better stated that atheists are more likely to accept the "possibility" of the paranormal/pseudoscience.
The word "believe" in my opinion is difficult for any atheist to label themselves with, especially when it comes to these types of issues. Atheism is just as much a belief system as theism.
But atheists don't all move to the same state. And they don't send out non-missionaries to spread the non-word. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Michelle
Posts:127
| | 09/26/2008 11:19 AM |
Alert | At the risk of resurrecting a very old debate ...
Atheism isn't so much a belief system as it is the lack of one. It's like the Stephen Roberts quote:
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
I'm sure you've heard it before.
No one would contend that all non-Buddhists share the same "belief system." You could be a non-Buddhist and have a Christian belief system, a Hindu belief system, a Jewish belief system, etc. The point is that you're identified by what you do believe, not by what you don't believe.
There is no belief involved in being an atheist; that's the entire point. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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| | Copagoodguy
Posts:144
| | 09/26/2008 11:40 AM |
Alert | Maybe someone is getting Agnostic and Atheist mixed up.
An Atheist BELIEVES that there are no gods.
An agnostic doesn't care. I'm an agnostic, and I've just exhausted myself on this subject. | | | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:127
| | 09/26/2008 11:57 AM |
Alert | Someone is mixed up, but it isn't me.  | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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| | Copagoodguy
Posts:144
| | 09/26/2008 12:49 PM |
Alert | | Stubborn and ignorant, you should go for the trifecta. | | | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:127
| | 09/26/2008 2:29 PM |
Alert | I may be stubborn, but I'm hardly ignorant.
An atheist denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. An agnostic believes that it is impossible to know whether or not such a being exists, and therefore refrains from commiting to any religious doctrine. These are dictionary definitions; feel free to look them up.
I identify as an atheist because I don't believe in a god or gods. Unlike an agnostic, who allows for the possibility that God exists, I reject the entire premise -- NOT because I believe that there is no god, but because I have seen no evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is worthy of consideration in the first place. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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|  | JAG
Posts:676
| | 09/27/2008 2:12 AM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 09/26/2008 2:29 PM
I may be stubborn, but I'm hardly ignorant.
An atheist denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. An agnostic believes that it is impossible to know whether or not such a being exists, and therefore refrains from commiting to any religious doctrine. These are dictionary definitions; feel free to look them up.
I identify as an atheist because I don't believe in a god or gods. Unlike an agnostic, who allows for the possibility that God exists, I reject the entire premise -- NOT because I believe that there is no god, but because I have seen no evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is worthy of consideration in the first place. You have seen the evidence, you just do not believe in it. If I said that atom was the tiny little parts of a element 200 years ago, I would have been laughed at. Today we are seeing that they are not even the smallest, and that they can move by shifting from one to another. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817
| | 09/27/2008 3:05 PM |
Alert | Many societies used to worship several gods and now we laugh at them and we have one. Eventually the people of the future will look back and laugh at us and our god. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | JasonY
Posts:3311
| | 09/27/2008 7:32 PM |
Alert | Posted By cholo bandito on 09/27/2008 3:05 PM Many societies used to worship several gods and now we laugh at them and we have one. Eventually the people of the future will look back and laugh at us and our god.
Terminator robots are our future.......they don't laugh........
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"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | JAG
Posts:676
| | 09/27/2008 11:56 PM |
Alert | Posted By cholo bandito on 09/27/2008 3:05 PM Many societies used to worship several gods and now we laugh at them and we have one. Eventually the people of the future will look back and laugh at us and our god. Actually they still do worship many gods, and there is only 1 God with many facets. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817
| | 09/28/2008 5:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 09/27/2008 7:32 PM Posted By cholo bandito on 09/27/2008 3:05 PM Many societies used to worship several gods and now we laugh at them and we have one. Eventually the people of the future will look back and laugh at us and our god.
Terminator robots are our future.......they don't laugh........
All praise to SKYNET........... | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | JasonY
Posts:3311
| | 09/28/2008 9:09 PM |
Alert | | cholo are you RichTig 2.0? Undercover? | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:127
| | 09/29/2008 9:21 AM |
Alert | Posted By JAG on 09/27/2008 2:12 AM Posted By Michelle on 09/26/2008 2:29 PM
I may be stubborn, but I'm hardly ignorant.
An atheist denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. An agnostic believes that it is impossible to know whether or not such a being exists, and therefore refrains from commiting to any religious doctrine. These are dictionary definitions; feel free to look them up.
I identify as an atheist because I don't believe in a god or gods. Unlike an agnostic, who allows for the possibility that God exists, I reject the entire premise -- NOT because I believe that there is no god, but because I have seen no evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is worthy of consideration in the first place. You have seen the evidence, you just do not believe in it. If I said that atom was the tiny little parts of a element 200 years ago, I would have been laughed at. Today we are seeing that they are not even the smallest, and that they can move by shifting from one to another. What evidence? And please, don't quote the Bible. The Bible itself is a hypothesis that must be tested, not evidence in its own right. It requires a leap of faith -- not objective, scientific study, but faith -- to look at the natural world in all its inexplicable wonder and determine that "God" is the both the reason and the answer. There's nothing wrong with faith, but lacking it means that I also lack a belief in God ... not that I believe that there is no God, which would be a kind of faith on its own. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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| | ChimneyDuck
Posts:244
| | 09/29/2008 9:30 AM |
Alert | Have you seen this proof?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4034787.stm
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http://www.maricopabikeclub.com - Join us for a bicycle ride. | |
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| | JAG
Posts:676
| | 09/29/2008 10:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 09/29/2008 9:21 AM What evidence? And please, don't quote the Bible. The Bible itself is a hypothesis that must be tested, not evidence in its own right. Why we are here for one. The statistical chance of having our diverse element makeup, proximity to a star, and the mere chance that we are what we are. Another one would be the Ireland during the dark ages. While the rest of Europe was being sacked and burned, Ireland was holding some of our most valuable literary treasures. Why did Ireland become a scholarly order of the Church, why the timeline? It requires a leap of faith -- not objective, scientific study, but faith -- to look at the natural world in all its inexplicable wonder and determine that "God" is the both the reason and the answer. There's nothing wrong with faith, but lacking it means that I also lack a belief in God ... not that I believe that there is no God, which would be a kind of faith on its own. Everything is a leap of faith, including science. Our reality that we see today, is not really reality and can change. The Laws of Physics are constantly changing and out right false in some instances. So why do people believe them? | | | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:127
| | 09/29/2008 11:42 AM |
Alert | Those aren't proofs, JAG. Those are questions. It requires faith to assume that God is the answer to either, or both.
Everything is a leap of faith, including science. Our reality that we see today, is not really reality and can change. The Laws of Physics are constantly changing and out right false in some instances. So why do people believe them?
Science isn't a doctrine; it's a process.
While religion claims to be immutable Truth, scientific theories are based on empirical evidence that is constantly tested and subject to change. I don't "believe in science"; however, I do believe that the scientific method is a better, more objective tool than religion for understanding the world in which we live. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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| | ChimneyDuck
Posts:244
| | 09/29/2008 12:41 PM |
Alert | "Why we are here for one. The statistical chance of having our diverse element makeup, proximity to a star, and the mere chance that we are what we are."
We are here, because we are here isn't really much of an argument for the existance of a highly interactive god.
"Another one would be the Ireland during the dark ages. While the rest of Europe was being sacked and burned, Ireland was holding some of our most valuable literary treasures. Why did Ireland become a scholarly order of the Church, why the timeline?"
Many more literary treasures were held by the Muslims. The renaissance was more due to translation from arabic, not latin. Though again I fail to see a correlation with an interactive God. Was Ireland some sort of holy land?
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http://www.maricopabikeclub.com - Join us for a bicycle ride. | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3311
| | 09/29/2008 1:58 PM |
Alert | Library of Alexandria..........
Aliens helped make the pyramids........ | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | JAG
Posts:676
| | 09/30/2008 1:56 PM |
Alert | Those aren't proofs, JAG. Those are questions. It requires faith to assume that God is the answer to either, or both. Like I said, there is proof, you just do not believe in it. Is there anything wrong with that? Yes and No, depends on why you do not believe really. While religion claims to be immutable Truth, scientific theories are based on empirical evidence that is constantly tested and subject to change. I don't "believe in science"; however, I do believe that the scientific method is a better, more objective tool than religion for understanding the world in which we live.
But religion grows as well, nor is it a understanding of our world. Take the big bang theory, its a perfect dispiction of how the universe was created by both evolutionists and creationists, so are they both the same? Does this mean there is possible truth in both POV?
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| | JAG
Posts:676
| | 09/30/2008 2:04 PM |
Alert | We are here, because we are here isn't really much of an argument for the existance of a highly interactive god. So the odds of the Earth not being able to be computed means anything? Again you chose not to believe in it. Its your choice, and one that you choice to ignore and just shrug off as "it just happened". Many more literary treasures were held by the Muslims. The renaissance was more due to translation from arabic, not latin. Though again I fail to see a correlation with an interactive God. Was Ireland some sort of holy land?
There are quite a few writings out there on the importence of Ireland in the dark ages. http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/travel/2008/09/14/2008-09-14_in_ireland_clonmacnoise_was_a_light_in_t.html | | | |
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