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Bionicbunny
Posts:608
 | | 09/15/2008 9:03 PM |
 Alert | Posted By JAG on 09/12/2008 2:20 PM Posted By thick on 09/12/2008 10:04 AM
I think reversing Roe v. Wade would have some real negative repercussions. Personally, I find abortion disgusting, but children don't ask to be brought into this world and if a woman is unwilling, she will not care for that child before or possibly after birth. I also don't think many politicians have any intent of making this a reality, just say it's what they want to keep the Prolife folks happy. I wish more people considering abortion would re-consider adoption, but I'd rather have a dead fetus than a neglected/abused child. It's the lesser of 2 evils, I think. Why would it be better to have a dead fetus, then a neglected/abused child? If they are both a human life, then should they not have a chance at life? I think I can understand your point in that you do not see a dead fetus and that for the most part its hidden. But that sorta like eating beef that is nicely wrapped while condemning animal abuse. Good points though.
Not everyone who would have chosen abortion if it was legal would go on to abuse their child if abortion wasn't legal. I hate to think of all those babies that are dead now just because they "might" have been abused if their mothers had not had a choice to kill them first. Way to cut your nose off to spite your face. Some woman who had an abortion yesterday could have killed off the person who would cure cancer or parkinsons or alzhiemers. Nice.
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 09/15/2008 9:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By mcolacino on 09/15/2008 7:59 PM
On the flip side, I realize why Roe v Wade exists. If abortion were outlawed again in this country, back alley abortions would occur and many women would die as a result. I really think that women need to learn about their bodies and take personal responsibility.
Well if a woman wanted to take the risk of dying in a back alley abortion she is making a choice, but we has human beings have a moral obligation to protect those unborn people that can't protect themselves. By voting to make or keep abortion legal, that person has just as much a hand in those murders as the woman who concented and the Dr who performed the procedure. I completely agree with you mcolacino, women do need to learn more about their bodies, and also to think more about the concequences of their actions.
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| | JAG
Posts:682
| | 09/15/2008 10:24 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bionicbunny on 09/15/2008 9:26 PM
Well if a woman wanted to take the risk of dying in a back alley abortion she is making a choice, but we has human beings have a moral obligation to protect those unborn people that can't protect themselves. By voting to make or keep abortion legal, that person has just as much a hand in those murders as the woman who concented and the Dr who performed the procedure. I completely agree with you mcolacino, women do need to learn more about their bodies, and also to think more about the concequences of their actions.
You make a valid point. But is a pro-life vote effective anyways? What has it really done? I think the best we can do is attempt compromise and try to fix the underlying issue. Although Bush did do alot in the Anti-abortion movement thru attempts to limit LTA, and increase/streamline adoption. But I think spending goobs of money on trying to overturn RvsW could be better spent on social, educational, and adoption services. But there is that other part of you having to deal with the devil as well. | | | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 09/15/2008 11:05 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bionicbunny on 09/15/2008 9:03 PM
Not everyone who would have chosen abortion if it was legal would go on to abuse their child if abortion wasn't legal. I hate to think of all those babies that are dead now just because they "might" have been abused if their mothers had not had a choice to kill them first. Way to cut your nose off to spite your face. Some woman who had an abortion yesterday could have killed off the person who would cure cancer or parkinsons or alzhiemers. Nice.
I believe I said the same thing in a later post, that a woman forced to carry an unwanted baby would not necessarily abuse or permit abuse of her child. Let me be very clear. I find abortion disgusting, even more so after the first trimester. I disagree with choosing to kill an innocent life. That said, on a non-emotional level I think reversing women's rights WRT abortion would have MAJOR negative repercussions, so in order to accept this reality on an emotional level, I have to believe that that child is being spared. It's how I cope. Does that make sense? | | | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 09/15/2008 11:07 PM |
Alert | You make a valid point. But is a pro-life vote effective anyways? What has it really done? I think the best we can do is attempt compromise and try to fix the underlying issue. Although Bush did do alot in the Anti-abortion movement thru attempts to limit LTA, and increase/streamline adoption.
But I think spending goobs of money on trying to overturn RvsW could be better spent on social, educational, and adoption services. But there is that other part of you having to deal with the devil as well.
Couldn't agree more. | | | |
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| | ken
Posts:546
| | 09/16/2008 9:47 AM |
Alert | | Overturning Roe wouldn't have any more negative repercussions than establishing it did. Would some people feel angry about it? yes. Would abortion all of a sudden be illegal? nope... only in about 10 states maybe. However, those 10 states want it that way. The rest of the country would be business as usual. It is also worth noting that the people who are strongly pro-choice, are also the ones who are usually against any type of violence so I don't think there'd be any wars breaking out. If Roe were overturned there wouldn't be anything more than one big collective temper tantrum from the left side of the aisle in congress and a few protesters in the streets. | |
"Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow." -- Unknown | |
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|  | Bionicbunny
Posts:608
| | 09/16/2008 10:17 AM |
Alert | Posted By JAG on 09/15/2008 10:24 PM Posted By Bionicbunny on 09/15/2008 9:26 PM
Well if a woman wanted to take the risk of dying in a back alley abortion she is making a choice, but we has human beings have a moral obligation to protect those unborn people that can't protect themselves. By voting to make or keep abortion legal, that person has just as much a hand in those murders as the woman who concented and the Dr who performed the procedure. I completely agree with you mcolacino, women do need to learn more about their bodies, and also to think more about the concequences of their actions.
You make a valid point. But is a pro-life vote effective anyways? What has it really done? I think the best we can do is attempt compromise and try to fix the underlying issue. Although Bush did do alot in the Anti-abortion movement thru attempts to limit LTA, and increase/streamline adoption. But I think spending goobs of money on trying to overturn RvsW could be better spent on social, educational, and adoption services. But there is that other part of you having to deal with the devil as well.
Yes JAG, having to deal with the devil, if that is the way your day of judgement has gone. Any person who has voted for the right to abort a child has a hand in the death of every child that was killed by abortion. I guess in some ways casting that vote is just as, if not more, important as deciding to have one after you were told not to worry, it's not murder, it's legal. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:995
| | 09/16/2008 12:02 PM |
Alert | Boy, am I about to get in trouble with those on this thread. I have a problem with both extremes on the abortion issue. While I believe that near birth abortion is tantamount to murder, I have difficulty accepting the idea that when a microscopic sperm hits a microscopic egg, a human being exist. I believe that at some point during a nine month period a mass of tissue does become a human being. The problem is, I am not medically, theological, or philosophical, qualified to say when that happens, and I don't know who is. Left with this dilemma, I very reluctantly support the right to abortion with very, very, stringent limitations. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:682
| | 09/16/2008 1:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bionicbunny on 09/16/2008 10:17 AM
Yes JAG, having to deal with the devil, if that is the way your day of judgement has gone. Any person who has voted for the right to abort a child has a hand in the death of every child that was killed by abortion. I guess in some ways casting that vote is just as, if not more, important as deciding to have one after you were told not to worry, it's not murder, it's legal. You are not really getting the point. Social conservation and responsibility is just as much of a tenet of Christianity then not murdering. You cannot stop abortion without hindering your social responsibility. Every $ you spend on lobbist could have been used to educate a child, or give a family in Africa a goat. That said, like it or not you must compromise. If you do not compromise you will not get your way. If a Bill came up and stated it would eliminate late term abortions, but allowed for medical concerns. Would you sign it? Is that not a compromise? Also, how do you or I actually vote on an abortion issue? | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:682
| | 09/16/2008 1:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 09/16/2008 12:02 PM Boy, am I about to get in trouble with those on this thread. I have a problem with both extremes on the abortion issue. While I believe that near birth abortion is tantamount to murder, I have difficulty accepting the idea that when a microscopic sperm hits a microscopic egg, a human being exist. I believe that at some point during a nine month period a mass of tissue does become a human being. The problem is, I am not medically, theological, or philosophical, qualified to say when that happens, and I don't know who is. Left with this dilemma, I very reluctantly support the right to abortion with very, very, stringent limitations. Human being is a philosophical term and can change dramatically with culture and faith. It is however a Human Life, so the question really comes down to if a Human Life is important or not and how we as a society justify at what junction is it allowable to kill directly or by omission. IMHO the only time that it is allowable to kill another Human Life is in the protection of another Life. This of course goes beyond just abortion, its talking about Capital punishment, extreme poverty, turning a blind eye to neglect and abuse. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3313
| | 09/16/2008 3:14 PM |
Alert | | We will all be spewed out like vomit........ | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | soestreich
Posts:0
| | 09/17/2008 5:54 AM |
Alert | | The "Devil", he made me do it | | | |
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| | mcolacino
Posts:49
| | 09/17/2008 10:05 PM |
Alert | In response to the suggestion that it would be better to abort a child than to bring it into this world so that it can be abused. The whole Casey Anthony thing seems like an example of this. This irresponsible young woman, who never completed high school and seems only to want to party and live off her parents and friends, got pregnant at 19. Purportedly, she wanted to give the baby up for adoption but her mother preempted that action. Three years later, this innocent little child is missing and probably dead at the hands of the person who brought her into this world.
If you find yourself pregnant, and you do not have the emotional maturity to become a mother, have an abortion immediately! Take responsibility! Don't wait until you are 7 months along.
To me, religion has nothing to do with it.
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| | JasonY
Posts:3313
| | 09/18/2008 8:49 AM |
Alert | | Culture of Death rulez.......... | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | soestreich
Posts:0
| | 09/18/2008 9:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 09/18/2008 8:49 AM
Culture of Death rulez..........
That's the bummer about life- or the balance rather?
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| | JasonY
Posts:3313
| | 09/23/2008 1:39 PM |
Alert | | Death is the not the end........ | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | soestreich
Posts:0
| | 09/25/2008 8:19 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 09/23/2008 1:39 PM
Death is the not the end........ ........in comic books...... | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3313
| | 09/25/2008 9:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By soestreich on 09/25/2008 8:19 PM Posted By JasonY on 09/23/2008 1:39 PM
Death is the not the end........ ........in comic books...... Captain America died........ | |
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| | soestreich
Posts:0
| | 09/25/2008 9:36 PM |
Alert | | i'm sorry to hear about that- | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3313
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