Thank you for this comment and you are correct since everyone including Christians are sinful.  The point I'm trying to make is Christians would burn heretics for faulty doctrine, and it's not just a person doing that to another person, it's also group of Christians.

EEE - I understand your point. I was just pointing out that boymaker was correct in stating that Christianity never called for such action. Christians,  alone and in groups have done such things in a gross misreading of the Gospels. When they did so, it was in violation of Christ's teachings (Christianity).

I guess the question is about the nature of Christianity. Is it the teachings of Christ or is it interpretation of those teachings by  particular sect at a particular time. Charlemagne (with the support of the church) felt that Christianity meant giving the pagan Saxons the choice of conversion or death, The Catholic Church during the Inquisition felt that Christianity meant  that Protestants were heretics and should burn. The Crusaders of the First Crusade felt that Christianity meant that the Jewish and Muslim population of Jerusalem should be slaughtered. In these and many other incidents, Christians felt that they were practicing Christianity. From my reading of your posts I think that you would agree that they were not.

I see, my apologizes to you and the boymaker, I misread.  Of course as a Protestant myself, I know the history is not as clean as I thought was implied.

You misunderstand faith. I do not worship God becuase of the promise of Heavan, but because I love Him and I love you. I would give you my place in heavan in a heartbeat, becuase its not why I am a Christian.

Posted By *rikimaru* on 07/21/2008 5:12 AM


@EEE, btw what i was referring to, is that there are some who believe the divinity&JC of the bible was in fact a fabrication of Paul, not necessarily the bible itself just the JC and life he lead as related in it. they put forth the idea that JC was a typical jew residing in the holy land&was a freedom fighter&leader of the asseynes (sp?) and that Paul was an agent of Rome who concocted the story to unite people under a single religion which makes people more easily controlled especially when u tell them they better play by the rules or they are going to H-E-L-L. just a theory is all i am saying, imo its just as plausible as what the bible has us to believe about JC, but everyone should make up their own mind

Hi riki, well to throw a wrench in the Paul theory......

Peter refers Christians to Paul's writings and includes it with the rest of  scripture.

2Peter 3

15and regard the ^(AP)patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also ^(AQ)our beloved brother Paul, ^(AR)according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of ^(AS)these things, ^(AT)in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and ^(AU)unstable distort, as they do also ^(AV)the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

And Jesus who is God and all knowing, chose Peter

John 6

68^(DG)Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have ^(DH)words of eternal life.

 69"We have believed and have come to know that You are ^(DI)the Holy One of God."

 70Jesus answered them, "^(DJ)Did I Myself not choose you, ^(DK)the twelve, and yet one of you is ^(DL)a devil?"

A side note to the free will advocates, Notice how Peter thought he chose Christ, but Christ had to immediately correct him and tell him that he chose Peter and the rest of the 12.

Does anyone truly know Jesus?

Yes and he makes a mean empanada.

I think I bought some tamales from his mom.