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PiTtBuLl LoVeR
Posts:13
 | | 11/22/2007 12:44 PM |
 Alert | | Pittbulls are not the only breed that have a history of aggression! you just see them in the media so much, And they only show the bad. It is rediculous. Any thing with teeth can bite. People are so afraid of them because of how they look. My chihuahua is the one that bosses my pitt around. But i would NEVER put a muzzle on my dog to go to the park. Pittbulls are very loyal and loving. | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 11/23/2007 10:24 AM |
Alert | I agree that Pitbulls are gentle, loyal, and loving. They also get a lot of bad press, some well deserved and some not. You could say the same for our city council.
My apprehension of pits is the level of damage they can do when they do go off, and how quickly they can do it. JRT's, Chihuahuas, and Cocker Spaniels, while they can and will bite they don't render the kind of devistation that a pit can. I would never leave a child alone in close proximity to pits.
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Stupid should hurt!
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/26/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By DesertDweller on 11/23/2007 10:24 AM
I agree that Pitbulls are gentle, loyal, and loving. They also get a lot of bad press, some well deserved and some not. You could say the same for our city council. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
My apprehension of pits is the level of damage they can do when they do go off, and how quickly they can do it. JRT's, Chihuahuas, and Cocker Spaniels, while they can and will bite they don't render the kind of devistation that a pit can. I would never leave a child alone in close proximity to pits.
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one should never leave a child alone with any dog. it is the child who is likely to act in an unpredictable manner, not the dog, but the results could be potentially devastating. | | | |
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 12/01/2007 6:15 AM |
Alert | I had to chime in-
Thursday night, my greyhound has attacked by a pitbull, who ran out of him home, onto the street, grabbed by greyhound, and attacked, unprovoked.
He was a good dog, right up until he attacked Patton.
Patton is still at our vet, I am finally brining him home today. His ear was badly torn, and there is a puncture wound to his chest.
Can't support pitbulls anymore, and I can tell you, I'm now petrified to walk either dog.
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Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | missPolitick
Posts:644
| | 12/02/2007 9:25 AM |
Alert | | I'm sorry for your traumatic experience! My mom lives out in the country in Texas and when she goes on walks there are many stray dogs, of course. She carries a spray bottle of ammonia with her to squirt at dogs who chase her and it stops them, they hate it. It might help you to get back out there, when you're ready. | |
Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 12/02/2007 5:14 PM |
Alert | Unfortunately, I do not think a spray bottle of ammonia would have stopped this dog.
I may start carrying a bat.
I immediately began walking Patton as soon as he got home, to keep him from being fearful of them. He's very timid, but walking, at least. | |
Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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|  | Linda H
Posts:46
| | 12/03/2007 11:58 AM |
Alert | I can understand the fear, but people are right. There are many breeds unfortunately mistaken for pits. We have 2 dogs: a shepherd/golden lab mix and a pit mix. She is 1/4 black lab, 1/4 dalmation, and 1/2 pit. She is the cutest, sweetest, cuddle bug! She has a forceful bark and she's tenacious, but she's afraid of other dogs' aggression.
Pits have gotten a bad rap and there are many myths. Has it become common knowledge yet that their jaws DON'T lock? It's just their tenacity and drive to succeed. Our pits favorite game is tug of war, always has been. She'll destroy any and all toys, only to make them her favorite tug of war toys.
.... and SMART!!??!! OMGosh is she!
And muzzles...? I cringe when I see them. We tried one on our pit when she was a puppy. Not because she would bite, but because she is a very vocal little girl. It instantly changed her personality to a look of ultimate submission, sorrow, and "why mommy?" That's not at all her personality and we just couldn't do it. Yeah, she still barks, but not unnecessarily. We talk with our mouths.....so does she! :-)
That's all. I just wanted to get a plug in for the personality of a pit raised right. Just like children, dogs can be raised to be monsters or love bugs. | | | |
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| | Linda H
Posts:46
| | 12/03/2007 12:03 PM |
Alert | | Oh yeah, I forgot. I had a chow once that was gummed by a toothless pitbull! I was scared to death for my dog and myself. I really can understand the fear, but it's not just the pitbull breed people! Any dog you don't know can attack. My husband was bit by a rottweiller when he was younger. He knows it's not just the breed, but that there was more going on in that dog's head that provoked or scared him in to the attack. My husband was only riding his bike home from school and the dog had gotten out of the house or backyard and was running loose for who knows how long. | | | |
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| | riverfamily
Posts:11
| | 12/04/2007 9:41 AM |
Alert | | Wow, it's almost racial profiling. I understand that the media has made Pits so scary that people are uncomfortable but as an owner of a Pit I would never question my dogs loyalty, aggression, and loving heart. I'm more afraid of scary people then dogs. | | | |
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| | cki557
Posts:46
| | 12/04/2007 8:56 PM |
Alert | I really thought about chiming in but just had to share my experience. I agree, that PITS can actually be great pets. Many people think the same about my doxies as doxies tend to be aggressive breeds. I do agree with the point many people are making regarding raising dogs in proper environment, with love and proper care, training, etc., can decrease the agressive behavior of breeds with typically agressive behaviors. Whew! With that said, I know that several times my front door has opened and my dogs have ventured out when pple are walking by, but have NEVER ran out and showed agressive tendencies toward them. They barked, they are supposed to. I was walking to get my mail, like I always do, and my neighbor left their gate open. They have two pits, very nice dogs, as I have met them previously and spent time petting them. So i wouldnt say we were complete strangers. However, they were standing on the driveway across the street when I came around the corner of my house to get the mail. not a startling appearance to them, just an appearance. I stopped in my front yard cuz one of the girls took immediate notice, began to growl and charged at me across the street. I talked to her, hoping that my voice would be recognized. She stopped for a moment about five feet in front of me on the sidewalk, and she turned around behind to watch the other one runout through the gate toward me. I took that opportunity to run the 15 feet back into my house with them chasing me. She didnt come up to me, waggin her tail, wanting to be petted again. She had teeth bared, growling like "who the h*ll are you" in total protection mode. I was deciding which arm to let her bite. I have walked through our neighborhood and many people have their dogs in their garages and out in front with them, large dog breeds, small dog breeds, and not one has ever been aggressive toward me. And I knew these two other dogs, PITS.
Sure, I think that muzzles are not the answer. I think responsible ownership is the solution. Obedience training, integration, treating them like a child making sure their environment is safe and secure. I took my doxies to the vet and the tech (she was new) muzzled all four of my babies for their exam because she said they were an agressive breed. So i know what that look is.....
The funny thing is that when I went over to the neighbors home and told him what had happened, after they put their dogs back, he really brushed me off and told me he doesnt raise his pits to act like that. My husband was leaning over our fence telling them to go home in a commanding type of voice when he came out and saw their aggressive behavior toward my husband. Mind you, I was in hysterics and trying to let this man know that he doesnt really know his dogs. So thats my story..... I dont think that anyone can EVER say, me included, that my dog wont attack or bite and anyone that says to the contrary is fooling themselves. After all, dogs, as loving as they are, are animals and can be unpredictable.
So, the moral to this is that teen should NOT have been such a snot to you like that. I would have followed her home and told her parents about her attitude and their liability. DOnt let a dog scare you, sometimes, they are just scared themselves.
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| | kitty8720
Posts:45
| | 12/05/2007 12:02 AM |
Alert | | You know, I have 2 Pit Bulls, and they are the most sweetest, loyal dogs ever. Although.. they do seem to think they are lap dogs but other than that, I think that its the way the pits are raised is how come they get a bad rap. | | | |
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| | BobbyBrown3
Posts:51
| | 12/06/2007 12:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By demonica on 11/12/2007 3:13 PM
the first was by a golden retriever/samoyed miux (my dog, total accident) the second by an overweight yellow lab.
You were really bitten by a Yellow Lab? I own one that wouldn't hurt a fly, there are a few lab mixes that I've seen aggressive but never a purebred, especially a yellow one. | | | |
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| | BobbyBrown3
Posts:51
| | 12/06/2007 12:54 PM |
Alert | I think the problem with Pits, is when they do attack they are so strong that they often can do real harm to a person, or even kill them in some cases. Where as if a lab, or other type of dog bites it does damage but doesn't make "the news" if that makes sense.
I agree with most people on this board that say it's all in how you raise them. | | | |
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| | AzSandSlinger
Posts:588
| | 12/06/2007 10:21 PM |
Alert | Here's my .02...
If your irresponsible enough to let your kids (dogs) terrorize people (running up on them with teeth showing), you get what coming to you..
Let me get this through to you dog owners (and yes, I HAVE had Pits, Rots and other breeds of dogs)... I DON"T FLIPPIN' KNOW THE TEMPERMENT OF YOUR MUTT... If I see a mutt come running after me and my children.. I have a judgement call to make.. If it's small, I'll lay my foot over it's throat untill it's no longer a threat... If it's bigger.. it'll get a .45 slug until it stops being a threat...
It's not MY responsibility to make sure YOUR kids (dogs) are safely trained.. it's YOUR'S... I train my kids to be respectfull.. you should do the same with your pets...
You're lack of improper training is not my problem.. it's your's..
-Shane | |
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 12/07/2007 4:18 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By AzSandSlinger on 12/06/2007 10:21 PM
Here's my .02...
If your irresponsible enough to let your kids (dogs) terrorize people (running up on them with teeth showing), you get what coming to you..
Let me get this through to you dog owners (and yes, I HAVE had Pits, Rots and other breeds of dogs)... I DON"T FLIPPIN' KNOW THE TEMPERMENT OF YOUR MUTT... If I see a mutt come running after me and my children.. I have a judgement call to make.. If it's small, I'll lay my foot over it's throat untill it's no longer a threat... If it's bigger.. it'll get a .45 slug until it stops being a threat...
It's not MY responsibility to make sure YOUR kids (dogs) are safely trained.. it's YOUR'S... I train my kids to be respectfull.. you should do the same with your pets...
You're lack of improper training is not my problem.. it's your's..
-Shane</div>
Sorry, can't agree with you.
That's all nice and good, except for the fact -
-I own greyhounds, not a pit bull or rottie, and are no match for them in a fight. Would you like to see Patton's wounds to verify?
-I'm not carring a firearm on a residential street in RED. I not not firing a firearm in the middle of the street, either. There are children outside playing.
- I can't put my throat on a dog's throat as they are attacking my dog.
It is everyone's problem for a lack of proper training.
I have the right to walk down my street without fear. | |
Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | AzSandSlinger
Posts:588
| | 12/09/2007 10:44 PM |
Alert | You are agreeing with me..lol..
I'm sorry if my statement was misunderstood.. People SHOULD be able to walk the streets freely without the threat of loose mutts and/or owners who do not use leashes... My post was aimed at the pet owners who think that it's "normal" for dogs to get out on occasion...
My "lack of proper training" remark was aimed at those pet owners who consistantly have pets get loose... I have owned several pets over the years (I do not own any now).. I haven't had a sinlge incident where they have ever gotten loose, ran away, etc.. It irks me that pet owners will call their pets their "kids", but yet do not take the necessary and responsible steps to ensure they are properly trained..
I had a incident some years ago where I was walking with my children in my parent's neighborhood.. A Cocker Spaniel came out of the bushes and made a beeline for one of my children... I intercepted the dog and pinned him to the ground with my foot on his neck... The owner came out and started to bitch me out for harming their dog.. and proceeded to tell me how the dog was just "friendly".. I told him he was lucky that all I did was restrain him.. I also told that I didn't know their mutt... and the lives and well-being of my children were more important to me than his mutt...
Sorry about what happenned to you dog Shermanator.. we should ALL be able to walk.. walk our kids.. walk our pets.. etc.. without the fear of stray mutts that may want to do harm...
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| | Pet Social Worker
Posts:0
| | 12/11/2007 6:34 AM |
Alert | If Rudolph were a Pit Bull:
Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse
The stockings where hung by the chimney with care
In the hopes that St Nicholas soon would be there
But at the North Pole sudden changes arose
All down to Rudolph and his ruby red nose
Clipboard in hand, a breed expert arrived
He motioned to Santa saying," please step aside".
A smooth haired coat and a muscular build
A broad deep chest our Rudolph did yield
The breed expert's pen, created pages of ticks
Then he suddenly called out "good lord, we've been tricked!"
"This creatures no donkey and clearly no horse!
I know these things! I've attended the course!"
Look at my clipboard the boxes are full!
It's very obvious to me: Rudolph is a pit bull!
Out with the measuring sticks, he explained to Santa the law
And he measured poor Rudolph from shoulder to floor.
As the spectacle continued Santa said with a sigh
He's a reindeer you fool! Why must he die?
"The law is the law" the expert said standing tall,
Then picked up his mobile and made a quick call
The sound of sirens filled the peaceful night air
and Rudolph removed …to who knew where?
Days turned too weeks and confused and alone
Rudolph pined, for the place he called home
As the first snow started falling Rudolph gave up the fight
And he took his last breath on a cold winters night
You may think this is funny, if a little untrue.
But how would you like it, if it happened to you?
If your dog was taken because of its look?
Because it ticked enough boxes in some silly book?
Regardless of parentage it doesn't matter what breed
If it ticks enough boxes then it's a done deed
So humor me here and pretend this is true
Think how you would feel if it happened to you.
Cuddle your hounds while you have them close by
For some spend this Christmas, waiting to die.
Now back to the story, it doesn't end there
One more short verse I need to share
Santa fetched Rudolph's body and cried for his friend
And swore to himself, this would not be the end
And I heard him exclaim as he drove out of sight
"The law is wrong, please help us to fight!"
~Copyright Alison Green
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 12/11/2007 8:58 PM |
Alert | You make me sad, with that post Kimberly. It actual brought me to tears. Ugh. Trust me, my heart is breaking for the owners of the dog who attacked Patton. They said he was a loving pet, until he attacked. From what I understand, they are rehoming the dog.
Trust me, it makes me want to cry, thinking they are losing their pet. If the situation was reversed, I'd be out of my mind with grief. In the end, Patton survived, but this family is losing their pet.
I'm torn. I am afraid of that dog- he could kill Patton if he sees him again, and am relieved to walk down the street without fear. However, I am sad for the family. | |
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"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | TC.
Posts:0
| | 12/11/2007 9:28 PM |
Alert | When a dog like that attacks it is no longer a pet! It is dangerous and it is only a matter of time before it happens again.
My son was attacked in our garage by a tom cat. We went off to the emergency room while my husband stayed behind for that cat to come back and follow it home. The owner was ordered by Animal Control to quarantine her cat for 14 days (California). Anyway, she couldn't keep the cat in. It got out again and was now in my backyard just a few days later. I trapped it in my garage and had Animal Control come retrieve the cat. I had no problem separating myself from being a cat lover at this moment. The safety of my children was my first priority! The lady never picked him up after that because she didn't want to be fined or liable for my son's medical bills.
Frankly, I feel better knowing that Pit is gone. I have children that walk that way and we walk our neighbor's dog on a LEASH near there. It is obvious that dog has issues.
Shermanator....you are not responsible for what happened to that Pit. You were the VICTIM just out walking your dog on a LEASH! You both just got lucky it didn't end any worse. Look how this has changed your dog's personality. Did either of you ask for this? Do not feel guilty for the fate of that Pit. It is justified!
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| | MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 12/12/2007 3:54 PM |
Alert | I get freaked out by any scary looking dog coming near my child...haha I get freaked out by any scarry looking man coming near my child too though!
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