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DesertDweller
Posts:2549
 | | 11/12/2007 8:16 PM |
 Alert | I can understand your being afraid. There is a ton of hysteria out there that was caused by really bad reporting. On the other hand, there is absolutely no doubt that some dog breeds can be overly aggressive and do tremendous damage. Look at the incident with the family pet in the Cave Creek area last week where the little girl was attacked and killed by her dog.
This goes back to my theory of personal accountability. You are going to have to take measures to protect yourself rather than the government doing it for you. I don't mean that in an insulting way, I mean it in a practical way. If you know that dogs are on the route that you walk, carry something that would help you ward off an attack, for example, a walking stick. What you carry depends on your personal abilities and your perception of the threat. Or, if you're not willing to do that, take another route. Nothing the government does will prevent attacks by dogs. They can pass all the laws they want and there will still be potentially dangerous animals out there.
We also need to get rid of this screwed-up subculture that makes it cool to own a bully-breed dog. Some people own a pit for the same reason Paris Hilton owns a chihuahua - fashion. It makes them look cool. They don't have the means or intelligence to train a dog like that so that they are always in control. They don't have the mental capacity to consider what would happen if this fashion accessory of theirs got stressed to the point of attack and a child happened to be in the way. As a result, people who have gentle, loving, well-trained pit bull pets are placed into the same category as the irresponsible ones.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 11/13/2007 8:50 AM |
Alert | 'll muzzle my pitbulls when you muzzle yourself. or, i guess more appropriate to the forum, PUT ON A PAIR OF MITTENS!!! pit bulls are not human agressive. agression to humans has been selectively bred OUT of them for centuries. yes, they have been bred to be dog fighters, but that is DOG not HUMAN! if you would do your research rather than run off half cocked and hysterical, you would see that this is true.
I researched this awhile back when it came up on the old forum. You are more likely to be killed by a pit bull than any other breed. Funny thing for a breed that supposedly has attacking humans bred out... | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 11/13/2007 9:40 AM |
Alert | While I am a dog lover I am more afraid of Akita's & Dobies than a pit- IF I know the owner and back ground of the Pit. Unfortunately Pits AND their owners have a bad rap! And I think that if I was at a park and saw a Pit with a questionable type charachter then I would leave- is that wrong? maybe but I am going to error on the side of safety! Would I have one? NO just because I dont think I can handle the dogs strength. Like DD said there are those who think it is COOL to have a bully breed...and if I dont trust a dog or its owner then I just dont put myself in that situation. Any breed of dog!
In California (in certain counties) there is a ban breed on Pits due to the deaths that have been caused by ths breed. They are always put down when caught or surrendered. And I know when getting homeowners insurance you will be denied or have a substancial rate if you own one.
There are a number of factors why a dog turns on someone...IT is the owners responsibility to know their dog and also it is there responsibility to know when their dog can not be trusted and in what circumstances! For this teeny bopper to say she is not responsible if the dog bites this kid is POPPY COCK and IF it were MY kid bit her parents would be SUED Her lil disclaimer does not resolve her or the dog from its actions. IMO | | | |
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| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 11/13/2007 12:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By stinkerbell2 on 11/13/2007 9:40 AM
While I am a dog lover I am more afraid of Akita's & Dobies than a pit- IF I know the owner and back ground of the Pit.
You should meet Kuma - she'll be happy to show you that you don't have to be scared of Akita's  Respect them, yes, they are a very strong breed of dog, but a well socialized Akita (which anyone who's met Kuma knows she is), just like with any breed, is a wonderful and loving pet and are very predictable. | | | |
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| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 11/13/2007 12:38 PM |
Alert | | (I am not suggesting that you should ever go against your instinct and stick around a dog that you don't feel comfortable around and comfortable that the person in charge is really in charge and has control of their dog - big or small.) | | | |
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| | Pet Social Worker
Posts:0
| | 11/13/2007 6:22 PM |
Alert | Never met a Pit that wasn't sweet & friendly but I know they're out there & act accordingly around them - as I do w/ any dog.
I do not support breed banning.
I have been bitten by a Chow & have met far more protective German Shepards than I can count. They're only doing their job, so I use my "in charge" voice for commands & follow the instructions of the owners. In my personal & prefessional opinion, I'd much rather care for a Pit than a Chow but will take every case & customer as individual experiences.
You hear about Pit Bull attacks & deaths only because of their breed & how man has bred them to fight. There are just as many mutt / small attacks as Pit - you just don't see it in the news. You also don't ever see a beagle, chihuahua or shi tzu biting someone & killing it because of their size, so of course you don't see it in the news. I personally own one of the most hateful beagles on this planet, but I know how to handle her & as her owner I take responsiblity for her actions.
This Pit thread gets started about every 6 weeks or so. I think the TOU's should encourage new forum posters to use the search function to look up topics they may want to post before getting the masses riled up. Yeah right!
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|  | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/13/2007 7:15 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/13/2007 8:50 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>'ll muzzle my pitbulls when you muzzle yourself. or, i guess more appropriate to the forum, PUT ON A PAIR OF MITTENS!!! pit bulls are not human agressive. agression to humans has been selectively bred OUT of them for centuries. yes, they have been bred to be dog fighters, but that is DOG not HUMAN! if you would do your research rather than run off half cocked and hysterical, you would see that this is true.</div>
I researched this awhile back when it came up on the old forum. You are more likely to be killed by a pit bull than any other breed. Funny thing for a breed that supposedly has attacking humans bred out...</div>
where are your facts on this? | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/13/2007 7:17 PM |
Alert | | note on "bully breeds": this refers to dogs that are of bull dog lineage, not bully as in playground tough guy. | | | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 11/14/2007 12:31 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By demonica on 11/13/2007 7:17 PM
note on "bully breeds": this refers to dogs that are of bull dog lineage, not bully as in playground tough guy.</div>
that made me chuckle cus I have known a shihtzu or pug that have been "bullies" LOL<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/tongue.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Tongue' align='absmiddle'> | | | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 11/14/2007 12:34 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Tigg on 11/13/2007 12:36 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By stinkerbell2 on 11/13/2007 9:40 AM
While I am a dog lover I am more afraid of Akita's & Dobies than a pit- IF I know the owner and back ground of the Pit.</div>
You should meet Kuma - she'll be happy to show you that you don't have to be scared of Akita's <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> Respect them, yes, they are a very strong breed of dog, but a well socialized Akita (which anyone who's met Kuma knows she is), just like with any breed, is a wonderful and loving pet and are very predictable.</div>
I have known both thee breeds up close and WAY too personal-only real dog bites I have had. What I should have said was IF I dont trust that the owner has a handle on the dog then I dont trust the dog OR the situation. | | | |
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| | Tempting Fait1
Posts:728
| | 11/14/2007 6:43 AM |
Alert | The article I saw said 16% of fatal dog attacks are by Pits, the problem is people see a larger aggressive dog and they "assume" pit so there is no real way of knowing what breed the dog really was.
60 years ago they wanted to put down all Collies as aggressive and there were some cities that banned them. At that time they were using Collies as guard dogs and yes, some were human aggressive. I owned one that was very protective of me and my room mate, however she was well trained and never bit anyone. The only time she came close was when my room mate was out jogging with her late at night and some males in a pick up truck decided to have a little fun, they rapidly decided it wouldn't be fun to face the teeth the dog was showing!
Point is any dog, no matter the breed can be protective and/or aggressive. If a dog is showing signs of aggression or fear you are better off removing yourself from the situation if possible. A dog straining at a leash and "taking the human for a walk" is not necessarily aggressive or scared, it could be the first time that dog has been out of it's yard in a LONG time. Watch for signs of aggression or fear (I'd rather face an aggressive dog then a fearful one), such as the tail either standing straight up or tucked under it's belly, with alot of dogs this is difficult because we seem to be docking more and more breeds, it's ears will be back and flat against it's head. If it's scared it may be ducking it's head. NEVER look a strange dog in the eye, this is a sign of aggression to them and many will challenge you.
Judge the dog by it's actions, not it's breed or owner. If you are scared the dog will act accordingly so remove yourself from the area. If some smart mouthed teen gives you lip over not wanting to be around her dog, ignore her and go on your way, try to remember what YOU felt like at that age. | |
The red head is BACK!! (and still mouthy)
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| | J_C
Posts:16
| | 11/17/2007 6:41 AM |
Alert | I have 2 pits and you're never going to find a muzzle on my kids (pits). It's just like how everyone says, pits get bad raps about them and it's all about how you raise them. My neighbors kids that are 9 and 5 year old girls play with them all the time, not once have they tried to jump or snap at them. My 80 something grandma watches my other pit back in California. My grandma walks her every other day as exercise and you know how they walk together...side by side. Now tell me, how many of you walk your dog side by side? Not in front of you, or your dog pull the heck out of you...but right by your side. All my pits do. My dogs are well mannered and properly raised. If anyone wants to meet my pits (D-Bo & Ginger) let me know. You'll find me around the Meadows.
For more info on Pitbulls:
www.pitbullforum.com
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/17/2007 5:02 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By J_C on 11/17/2007 6:41 AM
I have 2 pits and you're never going to find a muzzle on my kids (pits). It's just like how everyone says, pits get bad raps about them and it's all about how you raise them. My neighbors kids that are 9 and 5 year old girls play with them all the time, not once have they tried to jump or snap at them. My 80 something grandma watches my other pit back in California. My grandma walks her every other day as exercise and you know how they walk together...side by side. Now tell me, how many of you walk your dog side by side? Not in front of you, or your dog pull the heck out of you...but right by your side. All my pits do. My dogs are well mannered and properly raised. If anyone wants to meet my pits (D-Bo & Ginger) let me know. You'll find me around the Meadows.
For more info on Pitbulls:
www.pitbullforum.com
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that's a beautiful animal in your avi, is that d-bo or ginger? if my baby wasn't so darned cute, i might have a pic of one or both of my pits as my avi. i suppose i could actually start rotating pics...nah, sounds too much like work!!!
i have heard from a number of different sources that cocker spaniels are actually the breed most likely to bite a human. nope, i don't have any facts or figures, just throwing it out as something i've heard. | | | |
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| | candy_5465@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 11/18/2007 9:30 PM |
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So what I want to know is are there any city ordinances regarding pittbulls? I would like to address the city council to make it MANDATORY for them to have muzzles if they're being walked in our neighborhoods.
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so you say your a dog lover??? NO YOUR NOT. why dont you educate yourself about the breed. The media likes to only show the bad, and a very small amount of good. Any thing with teeth can bite. Even a pet hampster, do you want to muzzle those tooo??? YES, there are irresponsible pet owners. But dont judge them all. Your idea of muzzling pittbulls only is rediculous. SO DOES EVERY BREED MAKE YOU "AFRAID"? YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING!!!!!! | | | |
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| | J_C
Posts:16
| | 11/20/2007 8:36 PM |
Alert | to shed a little humor to this thread...my pit bulls and i were attacked today by my neighbor's jack russell terrier, LoL. just walked by my friends house, he opened the door and out zoomed Tito barking, growling, yapping and jumping all over my pits. Ginger barked once to shut him up...D-Bo took it like a softy that he is and rolled on his back. hmmmm, should there be a mandatory ordinance for little dogs that are aggressive too...you know they're known for gnawing on your ankles till you bleed to death...haahaaa. sorry, but could help but end with a little sarcasm
demonica-that's Ginger that you see as my avi | | | |
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| | flygrl
Posts:59
| | 11/20/2007 8:53 PM |
Alert | Sounds like you have been watching too much T.V. "Pure TERROR", as you put it, would be my Mom's toy poodle. People think it's cute and try to pet it and suddenly are wondering how they lost an eye.
Hopefully you don't stereotype people as well. | | | |
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| | MustLoveDogs
Posts:68
| | 11/20/2007 9:25 PM |
Alert | | I own a pit as well, my first response was to call attention to all pit owners to meet at that park (pits w/o muzzles). Now I just feel sorry for that lady. My pit sleeps with my grandma every time she comes to visit. I am sorry but if an 83 year old woman is not afraid of them then this lady has her own issues!!! My grandma loves him so much she makes me send her pictures of him just about every other month. She shows them off to the people in her community. Every time we talk (once a week) she always makes sure to ask how her little man is doing. I am so tired of this topic that I now just feel sorry for people like her. Maybe they ( people like her) should do some research before they judge breeds)!!!! | | | |
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| | Blue Orchid
Posts:658
| | 11/21/2007 2:22 AM |
Alert | i have heard from a number of different sources that cocker spaniels are actually the breed most likely to bite a human. nope, i don't have any facts or figures, just throwing it out as something i've heard.
You're right about the cocker spaniels! An ex-boyfriend gave me one that a friend was giving away. Well, we both should have checked more closely into why a purebred dog was being given away for free. The dog was beautiful and docile for about a week and then took to lunging and snapping at my mid-section. We tried obediance training and that made no difference. After speaking with our vet and learning that agression in cockers is a result of poor breeding standards and that there was probably nothing that we could do to alter this behavior, we made the decision to put her down. Yes, this was a spayed female dog and she was the most aggressive dog I have ever been around. (Many websites confirm this--just google "aggression in cocker spaniels" for additional information.)
We currently own a pitbull mix and she is the sweetest natured creature I know. We previously had an American Bulldog who came to us from an abusive home. We found her to be extremly gentle and protective as well.
What got me about the the original poster was that she was afraid not because of any agressive behavior displayed by the dog, but because of what type of breed she presumed it to be. Profiling is always wrong! | | | |
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| | Tempting Fait1
Posts:728
| | 11/21/2007 7:37 AM |
Alert | | I think the lady was as afraid of the teenager as she was of what she assumed was a pit bull. | |
The red head is BACK!! (and still mouthy)
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/21/2007 10:09 PM |
Alert | LOL, tempting, some teenagers are pretty scary. i am so glad i have a boy baby, the idea of a teenage daughter TERRIFIES me.
JC, funny you say that about your pits being attacked by a jack. my mom's 7 pound shih tzu is hysterical. she and my 5 year old pit get along great (everyone gets along with my cow puppy). but when it comes to max, our 6 moth old pit puppy, well, i guess the 11 month old shih tzu feels she needs to show him who is boss. she wil;l hide under my feet and dart out at poor max snapping at him, the whole time screaming like someone is killing her. last time she saw him she was jumping up, all 4 feet off the floor, and snapping at his muzzle! he just looks at her like she has lost her ever lovin' mind. | | | |
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