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missPolitick
Posts:644
 | | 11/12/2007 10:23 AM |
 Alert | I am very much a dog lover, but for the first time in my life I felt pure TERROR recently at the park in RED. I was with my 4 yr. old who was on a bike and I was pushing a stroller when an appx. 14 yr. old girl was being walked by her pitbull while she talked on a cell phone near us. I was terrified that at any moment my daughter's bike or the stroller would spook the dog and he would come after us and the girl would have no way to control him. I took off in a different direction as fast as I could, but she came near us again by the pond and allowed two young boys to pet the dog. She said "if he bites you it's not my problem"!!!!!! I literally felt terrified again so I walked away, AGAIN! I took my daughter to the playground and she came over by us again, still on her cell phone. This time I politely asked if she could keep her dog away from us. Of course, she got an attitude with me but that's ok. It was the least of my worries.
So what I want to know is are there any city ordinances regarding pittbulls? I would like to address the city council to make it MANDATORY for them to have muzzles if they're being walked in our neighborhoods. Am I wrong about this? Please give me your support if you feel the same way. Maybe we can save a life. It might just be the owner's life. You never know who these dogs will attack.
Again, I love dogs and if my husband would let me have one it would sleep with me every night. So please don't think I'm discriminating. I just felt the WORST SENSE OF TERROR that I've EVER felt in my life that day and I prayed the whole time that nothing bad would happen. I don't know why that day was different from others, but the hairs on my arms stood up when I saw that dog so I gotta with my gut on this one. (Also, he wasn't neutered. I don't know if that contributes in any way to these dogs' aggression.) | |
Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 11/12/2007 10:49 AM |
Alert | No law against a Pitbull being walked on a leash by a girl who doesn't give a crap!
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | alanf
Posts:1473
| | 11/12/2007 11:18 AM |
Alert | You were terrified because of mass media hysteria. What if it had been a Rottweiller, Mastiff or an Akita? They all have been known to attack. Do you even know what a Pit Bull looks like? There are many breeds of dog that are mistaken for Pit Bulls. I understand the fear that is created by all the negative information put out about Pits.
Do some research on the breed before you start your campaign against them. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1473
| | | yenni2
Posts:252
| | 11/12/2007 11:39 AM |
Alert | | That's a good test AlanF! I thought 2 of them were pits and I was wrong about both. | | | |
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| | Shogun
Posts:250
| | 11/12/2007 12:45 PM |
Alert | Good Test..I found 1, but got the other wrong.
I owned a Rhodesian Ridgeback that grew to 120#, When I walked my puppy (With a leash of course) people mistaken it as an oversize Pit Mix. | | | |
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|  | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 11/12/2007 1:00 PM |
Alert | I wouldn't ever support a breed ban! For one thing, proper training and handling can result in ANY breed being wonderful and predictable pets, while poor training and handling can result in any dog of ANY breed being a danger, even a lab, a poodle, or a tiny little small breed dog could cause harm in the wrong set of circumstances.
What should be required is that the person on the other end of the leash should be able to control the dog rather than the dog controlling the person. And, that child should be educated so that she (and her parents!) know that if the dog bites someone, it most certainly IS their problem. If a child can not control the dog, the child should not be out walking the dog without the help of someone who can properly handle the dog - regardless of the breed. If you can't get the dog to stop from a run, you shouldn't be walking the dog, because the dog is walking you. It's all about training both the dog and the person. | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 11/12/2007 1:08 PM |
Alert | I failed the test...
Either way.. I wouldn't want to be bit by one of those dogs shown.. lol | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Tempting Fait1
Posts:728
| | 11/12/2007 1:24 PM |
Alert | I'd rather not be bit by ANY dog. Anything with teeth can bite. I know a Border Terrier that tends to stalk and chase kids, the owner is aware of this and keeps a close eye and a tight leash on things.
You were right to remove yourself from an unknown situation and if the girly wants to give you attitude, ask for her parents phone number and address. | |
The red head is BACK!! (and still mouthy)
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 11/12/2007 1:35 PM |
Alert | | While we're at it, can we put bark collars on all dogs who bark between 10pm and 7am? My neighbor has a chihuaha that will bite, so I suggest we muzzle all chihuahua's too!! | | | |
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| | missPolitick
Posts:644
| | 11/12/2007 2:19 PM |
Alert | Ok, here's my proof...
6 yr. old boy attacked while riding a bike...
http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2007/09/24/news/latest_news/20d7a99150c2bb9486257360004f790e.txt
Pitbull owner who raised the dogs was attacked and killed by them, "seemingly unprovoked".
http://morningpaper.typepad.com/morning_paper/2007/10/pitbull-attack-.html
Pitbull owner attacked and killed in his own home by his pitbulls who had "no apparent history of aggression and described as well-kept".
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/12/national/main694926.shtml
Look, I think we all know that this DOES happen. I NEVER SAID TO BAN THEM, JUST REQUIRE A MUZZLE IN PUBLIC. What is so inhumane about that? And if those other dogs are also dangerous then they should have a muzzle too. Like I said, I'm not discriminating.
I followed my gut feeling to protect my babies and I had that feeling for a reason so don't you dare say I over-reacted. The point is NOT that I was afraid of a pitbull, it's that I WAS AFRAID!
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Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/12/2007 3:05 PM |
Alert | i'll muzzle my pitbulls when you muzzle yourself. or, i guess more appropriate to the forum, PUT ON A PAIR OF MITTENS!!! pit bulls are not human agressive. agression to humans has been selectively bred OUT of them for centuries. yes, they have been bred to be dog fighters, but that is DOG not HUMAN! if you would do your research rather than run off half cocked and hysterical, you would see that this is true. as alanf pointed out (and boy, do i hate to agree with him about anything)most of the "pit bulls" people freak out about aren't even pit bulls. did you take the test? could you pick out the pits? i have 2 pits and it took me 3 tries to pick the pits, and i am VERY well read and well versed in pit bulls. bet it takes you MANY more tries.
it is fine to be afraid of a specific dog. i commend you for going with your gut on this. chances are, if you were that afraid, there was a good reason to be. but that is a single dog. not a breed. specifically not a breed you very well might have misidentified. you most certainly did not overreact to the situation at the time. however, you most certainly ARE overreacting by suggesting that all pits be muzzled!!! | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/12/2007 3:13 PM |
Alert | | i forgot to mention...i have been dog bit only twice in my life, a life spent around LOTS of dogs, many of them pits. the first was by a golden retriever/samoyed miux (my dog, total accident) the second by an overweight yellow lab. | | | |
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| | HUH??
Posts:29
| | 11/12/2007 3:13 PM |
Alert | I have a 165 lb rottweiler and when I would take him to the Petsmart or anywhere in public people would grab their kids. My dog has never bitten anyone nor would he ever. He would play in the yard with my 2 and 4 year old kids. Now about the pit bull, my husband and I went to a Checker's auto parts in Mesa and someone had thrown an emaciated, tick covered pit bull in the garbage can. Of course we are suckers for animals so we took the dog home and to the vet. My vet said that Pit Bulls are one of the best dogs that a person could own. I was hesitant to let her near my kids at first (as I would be with any dog) but she loved my kids like no other.
Anywho, my point is that if an animal is raised right the breed should not matter. I have seen the stories about a "pit bull" attacking a persona dn then seen the pic and the dog does not even look like a pit bull. I think people want to stereotype dogs and whenever there is an attack saying it is a pit bull is much easier than saying it was a dachsund. | | | |
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| | Tempting Fait1
Posts:728
| | 11/12/2007 3:30 PM |
Alert | Here's an interesting page to check out, lists various kinds of dog bites, very few seem to be pit bulls, and can be any kind of dog--even a couple of labs.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm | |
The red head is BACK!! (and still mouthy)
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| | missPolitick
Posts:644
| | 11/12/2007 3:48 PM |
Alert | Maybe it wasn't a pitbull. AGAIN, the point is that a very small girl had a very powerful dog who could decide to fight with another dog or attack me so what's the big deal with having a muzzle at the park???
I'm not "half-cocked". Geez.
I've been bitten by dogs before also and that's not what made me scared. You just can't know every dog, or their background so why not be on the safe side? | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 11/12/2007 7:25 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By missPolitick on 11/12/2007 3:48 PM
Maybe it wasn't a pitbull. AGAIN, the point is that a very small girl had a very powerful dog who could decide to fight with another dog or attack me so what's the big deal with having a muzzle at the park???
I'm not "half-cocked". Geez.
I've been bitten by dogs before also and that's not what made me scared. You just can't know every dog, or their background so why not be on the safe side?</div>
you suggested that all pit bulls be muzzled, not that all dogs be muzzled. big difference! | | | |
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| | Java Lover
Posts:0
| | 11/12/2007 7:46 PM |
Alert | Great, it's attitudes like this that will lead to 'all dogs have to muzzled' to 'dogs are not allowed in public' to 'no one is allowed to own a dog'.
Good call, you were scared and moved, but seriously... | | | |
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| | thiskiss
Posts:334
| | 11/12/2007 8:03 PM |
Alert | | If you were that scared them maybe you should just stay home, and then you wouldn't have to even worry about it. Problem solved. | | | |
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| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 11/12/2007 8:07 PM |
Alert | You were afraid of that 1 dog because that 1 dog was not being handled properly by it's human. That does not extend to all pit bulls (if it even was a pit bull, chances are you have no idea what breed it really was), and it does not extend to all dogs. The only dogs that should be muzzeled are dogs that, as individuals, have a reason to be muzzled. Each dog needs to be judged on it's own character and it's own proven track record.
As a human, should you be judged based on the worst human? As a woman, should you be judged based on the worst woman? As a mother, should you be judged based on the worst mother? What you are doing here is EXACTLY the same thing as what you are suggesting be done to dogs. Just as each person is an indivudual, most good, some bad, some even heros; animals are also individuals, most good, some bad, some even heros.
I would trust a Pit Bull with a track record of being sociable far more than I would trust a Chihuahua with an attitude who had a track record of attacking people or being aggressive. Just because the larger breed dog has bigger teeth does not mean that it is more dangerous. Personally, of the many, many dogs I've seen in my lifetime, a far higher percentage of the Chihuahua's I've seen have been aggressive than the Pit Bulls, I've seen.
No, you didn't overreact by walking away from a situation where the person in control of the dog wasn't really in control of the dog. I would walk away from someone with an aggressive little ankle bitter just as readily as someone with an aggressive large breed dog. But, by suggesting that all dogs of any particular breed, or all dogs, be muzzeled, IS overreacting. It is ONE dog, not an entire breed, and not an entire species. You hear more about Pit Bull bites because they make for popular news stories - it's all about the ratings. If they news showed a Yorkie that attacked someone, it would be more difficult to sensationalize it because people would look at the picture of the Yorkie and say "awwww, how cute."
If you had suggested that that particular child should not be allowed to walk that particular dog, at least not without adult supervision, that would not have been overreacting. | | | |
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