MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
 | | 07/16/2007 10:48 AM |
 Alert | A couple friends of mine are having a terrible time with their new boxer and are running out of solutions. The dog is going to the bathroom all over the house whenever they leave. It is clearly a behavior issue and not an I have to go to the bathroom issue. If they leave for only an hour they come home and the dog has went all over. If they crate her she goes immediately in the crate. If they leave her IN the crate she eats the poo <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/crazy.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Crazy' align='absmiddle'> So she is doing this whenever she is mad for being left alone or being crated. They have bells next to the door that she rings whenever she has to go outside. They are very good to her, but they don't spoil her. She is definitely doing this as an acting out behavior.
We left the other day for about an hour. She went to the bathroom before we left and we came home and she had pooped twice and peed three times. She only does this when she is crated or left alone. She doesn't seem anxious or nervous so it doesn't seem to be an anxiety issue. My friends are starting to lose it. Does anyone have any suggestions? Piddle pads don't seem to work because she is acting out. I suggested a diaper but they said she'll chew it off. They don't want to crate her because she is getting sick from eating feces.
I feel terrible for them. Any help is appreciated. The dog has also been though canine training. | | | |
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JillyBean
Posts:375
| | 07/16/2007 11:23 AM |
Alert | Even though she doesn't seem anxious, my first instinct says separation anxiety.
With a behavior that severe I would suggest contacting a professional dog trainer.. (NOT barkbusters) I had a friend with a greyhound with a severe issue and a trainer really helped her through it.
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NEZ
Posts:515
| | 07/16/2007 11:39 AM |
Alert | | You should sit down and have a good talking with this dog. Way out of line. | |
AmyG steals lil' nick nacks from your home.
Don't let AmyG in your house. | |
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MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/16/2007 11:49 AM |
Alert | | That was my thought as well. It may be their last resort. I know they have already spent a small fortune on the dog and I am not sure they could swing it. They offered for me to take her home and train her. LOL! I'm sure my cats would be thrilled. | | | |
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njparks
Posts:201
| | 07/16/2007 11:57 AM |
Alert | If it is separation anxiety, a vet can help with some antianxiety pills...but they need to do the trainer as well. I've dealt with rescue dogs who have sep anx...not fun! Gimme a normal one!
Find a behaviorist that has worked with this. It takes someone who's home and LOTS of patience.
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CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 07/16/2007 12:08 PM |
Alert | | This is probably just a quincidence but it worked for me. If you let your pup hang out with a dog that is good about going to the bathroom outside then your dog will see that this where its supposed to go. MAYbe | |
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MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/16/2007 12:09 PM |
Alert | Thanks so much NJ. I was thinking of suggesting a homeopathic anti anxiety med to start and see if that helps her. And leaving an article of clothing and keeping the tv on.
Right now my gf is driving home during her lunch hour every day. They are spending A LOT of time with her. I know how stressful it can be as dogs require such firm discipline. I will suggest a behaviorist as well. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3033
| | 07/16/2007 12:32 PM |
Alert | ***officals stop by***
I have read and understood the posting on this thread and have nothing to add. | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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Pet Social Worker
Posts:0
| | 07/16/2007 2:56 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By CrownNCoke on 07/16/2007 12:08 PM
This is probably just a quincidence but it worked for me. If you let your pup hang out with a dog that is good about going to the bathroom outside then your dog will see that this where its supposed to go. MAYbe</div>
Dogs do indeed learn from each other.
I often recommend getting a 2nd dog for folks having behavioral issues w/ their pooches.
A local trainer that I think would work well in this particular situation is Leo Reynolds of Attentive K-9 Companions. 480-703-9045.
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socrlvr
Posts:84
| | 07/16/2007 10:43 PM |
Alert | | My first Boxer (of 4) was like this. We didn't crate him as a puppy and the vets wanted us to put a camera in the house. Also warned us that if we crated him as an adult dog he could ram the cage. He chewed my queen mattress, ate the drywall in my garage and broke my bathroom. I kept him everywhere I thought wld make him feel closer to us. In the end the best thing I cld do was to crate him. Whenever we left the house he was in the crate. We never left him at first for more than 4-6 hrs. He needs to get on a schedule w/ eating so he is on a schedule of pooping then it shld get better. The crate was my lifesaver in time. With the 3 I have left we have one 14 month old that had no control and seemed like he pee'd all the time. (incontinence) With him I never let him out of my sight unless he was outside. It seemed like forever but finally got the hang of it. The 14 mo old finally likes his crate. BTW, I do not crate them when I am home only at night and when I am away. They are great dogs. Very hyper and need a patient owner. I just finished using Leo on 2 of my puppies and he was wonderful. He is so full of information. If you want to call me to get some further information on him feel free. 480-272-3267 | | | |
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MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/17/2007 10:34 AM |
Alert | | Thanks to you both. The pup is very well behaved otherwise. It does not seem like she is doing it because she has to go. The last time she pooped in the crate she had JUST gone outside and within 2 minutes of putting her in the crate she pooped. They always have her go to the bathroom outside when they are home. They even have little bells next to the door that she rings when she has to go. She never goes indoors when they are home. It seems to be that she is acting out when she is crated or when they leave. She is still young and she had been crated before, but obviously doesn't like it. I will recommend Leo to them. | | | |
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MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/17/2007 10:34 AM |
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lmreynol
Posts:17
| | 08/07/2007 11:39 PM |
Alert | Maricopa Trainer....I tell all of my potential clients in the free orientation before they ever have to commit to using me, that for special circumstances, I do offer discount training (although personally I would no say I am compartivly high on the cost scale for training) My mentality is that I do not trian dogs to pay my mortgage, I do it because it's the one thing I know I'm good at and love doing. I would rather give a good discount to a well intended owner if its the difference between them geting quality useful training or feeling they have to take the dog to the pound.Besides...in the past. my few discount clients have more than sung my praises.
Either way...You don't need me to say it is obvious this dog is expressing serious issues which may not be training related at all.
PLEASE PLEASE DONT MEDICATE AS A FIRST STEP either...it's like the Riddlin and kids with ADD...most dont need it and are mis-diagnosed (sp)Please have them seek help from someone like Troy Ballard, myself, or another qualified expert...These are no the type of things PetsMArt or Barkbusters and such are able to assist with.
Either way, best of luck!
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TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 08/08/2007 3:59 AM |
Alert | lmreynol - you mentioned do not medicate as a first step. It looks like from reading some of your posts, you are highly knowledgeable in the area of dog behavior. My question is this- I am into more homeopathic remedies. What if a dog is extremely anxious to begin with. Wouldn't something such as Rescue Remedy help calm the dog to begin with, and then allow the trainer or owner to better work with the dog?
For example, I have seen in the past Rescue Remedy be recommended for dogs when left alone for separation anxiety. This helps the dog relax when the owner is away, and therefore, the dog is less likely to pee/poo, chew, etc in the house while the owner is gone.
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lmreynol
Posts:17
| | 08/25/2007 8:34 AM |
Alert | Shermanator...
I have n the past used some flower extract to aid in calming canine bahavior. I have seen it work. and am not against it...however it's not an area I am knowledgable in. I would say I would not use it as a frst or even 2nd step, but that might only be out of preferance...
I would strongly suggest anyone considering this option to work closly with their pets vet and do some research on their own. Proactive vs reactive. =)
As far as our questions involving traiing and such..altering a dogs behavior thru such means works against the trainer. It does not allow him/her to get a "true" view of the dog/environment/cause and effect of things...kind of like a medical professional trying to get a heart rate from someone whos taken a sedative =)
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pom_mom
Posts:2
| | 08/27/2007 1:19 PM |
Alert | | When you are crating, make sure the crate is not too big. If there is just enough space, this might discourage the pup from soiling his den, as he would have to lay in it all day. I have found this to be the case when crate training my pups. You can often buy "inserts" to the metal crates that will decrease it's size a little. Be careful to leave adequate room for him to stand and comfortably turn around in though. | | | |
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