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BabyangelUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 7:33 PM Alert 
First, I would like to apologize on the length of this.
I had moved here from Glendale almost a year ago.  We moved to the Senita subdivision with 3 dogs...my mastiff, Charlie which is 3 years old, our Great Dane, Thor, which was a few months old that I was fostering, and our Chihuahua, Harley which was almost a year old. 
 
We love it here in Maricopa...cow smell and all.  However, after a few months of moving here my foster, Thor, became seriously ill.  He was vomiting, having diarrhea, and became lethargic.  I took him to the emergency clinic in Chandler and did every test possible.  He tested negative for parvo, parasites, intestinal blockage, bloat...so on.  After this "mystery illness" came back with negative results on every test, all the vet could do was give him fluids and keep an eye on him.  After the vet, he seemed to be doing better for a day...but then right back to being sick.  So I take him to our vet which retested him for parvo, parasites, etc...and again...negative.  She gives him another dose of fluids and we take him back home (after doing extensive blood work which came up with nothing).  He seemed to bounce back after a few days and I found a great home for him after a couple months.  He's been fine ever since then, and the new owner reports no problems.
 
A little less than a week after Thor was sick, our little Chihuahua, Harley, became ill with the same symptoms and had died within just a couple of hours of noticing symptoms...in my arms, just as we were pulling up to the emergency clinic.  I was devastated, heart broken, and angry.  Harley was my world...I loved him so much.
After much deliberation and begging from others in the family, we adopted another Chihuahua.  It has been seven months since we adopted her and she was healthy, hearty, and very energetic.  Last week she started to have those same symptoms that both Thor and Harley were having.  Not wasting any time, I rushed her to the emergency clinic and they did tests...parvo...parasites...etc....and came back with nothing.  As she was in the clinic, she passed away with no known cause.  I was enraged.  I demanded to know what happened any how a happy and healthy dog could die with no known cause or reason.  The vet was very understanding of my behavior (which wasn't very pleasant) and explained that without any of the tests coming up positive, there was no way to know.
 
It's been a week now, and I have mustered up the energy to call a friend of mine that lives in Glenwilde.  She has a puppy of a bigger breed and told me that the same thing happened to her dog last week...ironically the same day that my chi got sick.  He pulled through fine, after taking him to the vet and getting fluids and a few days of rice and beef.  She then told me about a neighbor a few doors down that the same thing happened to their puppy and that puppy died, but didn't know the breed.  She said she was going to talk to them to see exactly when this happened.
 
My mastiff is the only on that has never been sick and continues to do well, although he is extremely hearty and BIG.  All my dogs had their vaccinations, wormed, and vet checked.  I feed them good food and give them plenty of water.  They were never strictly outside, they were all treated as part of the family and slept in our bedroom (not our bed).
 
The only conclusion that I can come up with is that they had been poisoned.  We have a fence that backs up to Honeycutt and so do our friends (with the other dog), and so do the other people that had their puppy die.  It would be very easy for someone walking to toss in something over the fence.  I don't know what else it could be...we only have a grass patch in the back yard and rocks.  Since I know it wasn't a blockage in the intestines/stomach, it couldn't have been from eating a rock.  Has this happened to anyone else here...or has anyone heard of anything?  Please keep an eye out for any strange things in your yard...or anyone throwing anything in your backyard.  RIP HARLEY and WINNIE
jstein1User is Offline

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06/05/2008 7:39 PM Alert 
That is terrible that someone may be capable of doing this to your babies....I couldn't imagine being in your position and losing one of my dogs like this. Were you able to do an autopsy on your chi? I hope you find out what happened...
BabyangelUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 8:02 PM Alert 

Thank you for your reply and kind words.  I didn't even think of doing an autopsy...damn...I should have thought of that!  The vet didn't even mention that...I wish she would have.

If this is someone that is throwing harmful things in the backyard, I hope they are caught...I filed a complaint with the police dept., just in case...and talked to animal control.  They said they will be patroling around here to see if they can come up with anything, but I don't have much hope.  Again, thank you for your kind words.

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06/05/2008 9:01 PM Alert 
I'm sorry for your loss.
If you can afford it - take a soil sample to a testing lab in Phoenix. Have them run the gamut for agricultural pesticides and petroleum products (100LL). Senita is built on top of an old aero-application site (crop duster). The runway ran north/south between Honeycutt and Mar/CG Hwy just east of the wash. The main 'barn' was between the wash and runway. The fuel tanks were closer to Mar/CG Hwy. The chemicals were stored behind the barn and mixed in a shed. At the end of the day, the planes tanks were dumped along the runway and hosed out. This crop dusters location predates many of the EPA regs, so there could be DDT, Chlordane and other not good chemicals.

If you can't afford your own testing, contact ADEQ and see if you can convince them to do the testing.

Good luck.


wildcatsUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 10:16 PM Alert 
So sorry to hear about your dogs.

Sounds like fritzydoodle has some good suggestions. I remember when we had our backyard landscaped the gentleman working with us made sure we did not put any oleander in due to the toxicity to dogs. Do you have anything like that in the yard that the dogs might be eating?
BabyangelUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 11:14 PM Alert 

Thank you all for your suggestions.  I have to look in the morning to see what kind of plants I have...but they are all in the front yard, which my dogs don't have access to, and I don't let them off leash when in the front so I know they didn't eat something while I wasn't looking. 

I will have to look into the soil issue...thank you so much for providing the history...I truly appreciate it and hope that there isn't anything in the soil to worry about as I have two children!  I will call in the morning and get the information.  Thank you again.

simplifiedUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 11:36 PM Alert 
I agree with Fritzy. My dogs were never ill until we moved here. After about 6 months here they had stomach issues and runny noses. My neighbors young dog started having seizures. My vet also tested for everything and came up with nothing. I called the reservation to find out what they spray and found out what was previously where my house is. I wanted to send a soil sample to be tested but could not find a place to test it. I did contact U of A but never got a response.
BabyangelUser is Offline

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06/05/2008 11:52 PM Alert 
Are you in the Senita area as well?
jennse29User is Offline

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06/06/2008 9:27 AM Alert 
So sorry for your loss....
We are in Senita, Phase II, for two years. I noticed that both our dogs have runny-noses but just thought that to be allergies.
simplifiedUser is Offline

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06/06/2008 3:33 PM Alert 
I'm south of the tracks off of Bowlin.
pissedparentUser is Offline

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06/06/2008 6:01 PM Alert 
I'm so sorry for your loss, but I do agree with having come in and do test not just soil test but inside you house as well, like on your house plants or something. If you get other pets or God forbid children or grandchildren should ingest something strange it would be good to find it first.
mwUser is Offline

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06/07/2008 9:50 AM Alert 
ugh, i have no suggestions but i just wanted to say how heartbroken i am for you and your family. my dogs are my "other" children, and i'd be devastated as well! you have every right to be concerned about the soil b/c of your children's safety as well. good luck on finding the culprit!

we finally voted in a smart president!
nursiegurlUser is Offline

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06/07/2008 5:36 PM Alert 
It would be interesting to know what brands of food these dogs were fed. There have been several recalls over the last year, in fact there is a lot of concern re: Nutro foods again although they have not issued a recall.

I'd like to add that I live in Rancho, last week my foster puppy had bloody diarrhea. Tested negative for parvo and parasites as well. VERY INTERESTING!

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
Dane LoverUser is Offline

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06/08/2008 8:10 PM Alert 

What an awful thing to go through! My condolences for your losses. My dogs went through a illness a few months ago that eventually was diagnosed as giardhia (sic). It mimics parvo with the vomiting and especially bloody diahhrea and takes a special blood work that alot of vets might not think of. Thank God for Dr. V at Maricopa Wells Veterinary clinic! It seems to be easily cured as all we had to put our four dogs on a special type of antibiotic and they are fine now. If you google it, it is a parasitic disease of the intenstinal systems. These parasites are known to be in the water (and especially stagnant water) and some dogs can be more susessible (sic).

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06/09/2008 12:02 PM Alert 
Most of us have the quest to have the perfect green lawn and there are many products that promise you that, but the cost of getting that lawn could come at the price of a life.

Cocoa mulch is one of those products.

It's made from the shell of the cocoa bean when they come off the bean during the roasting process.

Those who endorse the product say it smells better, gets darker with age and sun exposure, provides nutrients to your plants and retains moisture better than regular mulch.

Sounds great, right?

Pet owners, specifically dog owners, know that our four legged friends are attracted to mulch.

That's because it provides a cool moist place for them in the summer heat.

The problem with this particular mulch is the cocoa ingredient.

That's because cocoa is poisonous to dogs.

Cocoa contains high amounts of the chemical theobromine.

That is the same chemical that makes chocolate harmful to dogs.

Even low doses of the chemical can cause stomach issues in the animals.

For instance, a 50-pound dog eating 2 ounces of this mulch will likely experience gastrointestinal upset.

Up that 4.5 ounces, and the dog's heart rate will increase.

Five ounces can lead the animal to have seizures.

Nine ounces or greater can cause death.

The even bigger problem is besides a physical barrier, there's not much you can do to keep the dog out of it.

Some dogs may not like the taste or smell of the product, but those dogs are most likely in the minority.

Research shows that those attracted to the product have been known to gorge themselves on it, which leads to sickness and death.

Symptoms came pop up quickly on the animal, depending on their size and weight.

Veterinarian Dr. Sean Penn says, "Obviously the quicker that we can see the pet the quicker that we can decontaminate them."

He goes on to say, "The mulch has a very aromatic smell it is something that a dog could come eat and it is toxic to the dogs. Therefore just reducing exposure to it at all costs would be my recommendation."

The mulch is sold at big box store like Home Depot.

Locally owned plant nurseries, like Baker Nursery, say they don't carry the product for two reasons.

The number one reason is the demand wasn't there, and the second is that they also heard the reports about what it does to animals.

Bruce Soloman from Baker says, "We have heard that animals can consume it.

Some dogs and animals are attracted to the smell and that causes some digestive problems."

Bruce agrees the product works well, but there are other products that do the same thing for a cheaper price.

When it comes picking a mulch, Bruce says, "A good mulch is something that's gonna retain some moisture that's gonna stay in place and be fairly long lasting."
It's easy to check to see if you have this product on your lawn.

It's labeled clearly on the packaging.

And both veterinarians and gardeners agree, if you have dogs that can be exposed to it you should get rid of it.



Home Depot Response
"The Home Depot does not and will not sell mulch that poses a hazard to pets. The mulch sold by The Home Depot containing cocoa shells goes through several chemical-free processes to screen and prepare it for use in the garden and outside the home. Our suppliers are certified by the Mulch and Soil Council (MSC) which created the industry standards for these products."

Kathryn Gallagher, Home Depot
nursiegurlUser is Offline

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06/10/2008 11:12 AM Alert 

Sorry to contradict what you've written but giardia is an intestinal parasite that is easily diagnosed by a fecal sample.  It does NOT require a blood test.  The only reason I'm replying is so that others won't be put off by the possible cost of lab work.  The first step in any GI illness is a fecal.

Posted By Dane Lover on 06/08/2008 8:10 PM

What an awful thing to go through! My condolences for your losses. My dogs went through a illness a few months ago that eventually was diagnosed as giardhia (sic). It mimics parvo with the vomiting and especially bloody diahhrea and takes a special blood work that alot of vets might not think of. Thank God for Dr. V at Maricopa Wells Veterinary clinic! It seems to be easily cured as all we had to put our four dogs on a special type of antibiotic and they are fine now. If you google it, it is a parasitic disease of the intenstinal systems. These parasites are known to be in the water (and especially stagnant water) and some dogs can be more susessible (sic).

 


Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
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06/11/2008 7:55 PM Alert 
I have a tea cup chihuahua who has giaridia also. They always do a fecal sample. He is on his 3rd perscription and I have no clue where he got it from. Hes 7 mths and barely 3pds and Im terrified to walk him cause of parvo season. He has never seen past the back yard.

Babyangel- I am soooo sorry to hear about you loss. It makes it worse to think someone would intentionally take your babies from you. I think the whole not knowing would drive me crazy! I wish your family the best of luck in figuring out!
MommystaceyUser is Offline

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06/11/2008 9:14 PM Alert 
Yes its true giardia can be found in fecal however it is very difficult to find sometimes because of it size. There are certin snap test that are not too expensive. I feel like it is a neccisary test to run even when a fecal comes up negative. Fecal may not always have the parasites in them at the time you are running it. There have been several cases of giardia around here so its something to keep in mind. Sorry about you babys I feel so bad for you. I wish you could at least have answers.
BabyangelUser is Offline

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06/13/2008 12:57 AM Alert 
Thank you all for your care and support. I feed my dogs Nutro Natural kibbles...I haven't had any problems with it even with that last scare. I think if it was in the food, my Charlie would have gotten ill too. It looks like it might have very well been giardia. Are the vets not aware of this epidemic? Mine didn't mention anything about such a thing...I think it may be time to look for a new vet!
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06/13/2008 9:21 PM Alert 
Its not so much if there aware. Alot of them dont think of it becasue it is not very common in this area. We just happened to see a couple of cases in a few week time and now it is on there minds a little more. I dont know if Giardia causes death that quickly though.
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