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leefamily
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 | | 10/04/2007 4:11 PM |
 Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Mo739 on 10/03/2007 4:10 PM
Leefamily and any other ff parents, this is not to offend or attack you...(BTW, my oldest did have some formula)
But breastmilk will always be superior and will never be duplicated, yes they are improving formula all the time and it is a lot better than it ever was.
Leefamily, I'm glad that your baby has stayed healthy and hope that continues throughout the winter! <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> Sometimes bf babies do get sick, but just think about how sick your friend's baby could have been if she didn't have all the good stuff from her mommy's milk. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> Keep in mind too that it depends what the babies are exposed to; childcare, older siblings, parents that work, playgroups and so on. </div>
This is another one of those subjects that could go back and forth back and forth. I think the important thing is that you make the decision that is right for you and your baby. It may sound selfish of me, and I'll probably get a lot of grief over this but I wanted some liberties and freedoms that only come with bottle feeding. It has always just made my life a little less stressful and with three kids that's one step in the right direction. | | | |
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| | Mo739
Posts:47
| | 10/04/2007 5:31 PM |
Alert | Leefamily, I agree with you, everyone has to do what works for them. I am not judging anyone for ff or bf, it is a personal decision. Unfortunatetly, I agree that you probably will get a lot of grief for your decision or why you made it, just not from me. I have been judged many times for nursing, especially for as long as we have. Oh well though, I, just like you have to do what works for my family. For the record, I just try encourage and show as much support for bf mothers as I can, because so many don't, not because I look down on formula. | | | |
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| | Mommystacey
Posts:180
| | 10/04/2007 9:32 PM |
Alert | | I agree no one is perfect in others eyes and everyone does things diffrently. Bfing mothers get grief all the time just as much a ff because we either are doing it to long or something. So I feel that what ever the mother and baby are happy with is the only decicion that matters. I am glad I chose to bf and I will not listen to critisism from anyone | | | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/05/2007 8:38 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Mo739 on 10/04/2007 5:31 PM
Leefamily, I agree with you, everyone has to do what works for them. I am not judging anyone for ff or bf, it is a personal decision. Unfortunatetly, I agree that you probably will get a lot of grief for your decision or why you made it, just not from me. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> I have been judged many times for nursing, especially for as long as we have. Oh well though, I, just like you have to do what works for my family. For the record, I just try encourage and show as much support for bf mothers as I can, because so many don't, not because I look down on formula. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/biggrin.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Big Grin' align='absmiddle'> </div>
That's really interesting to me that bf moms get critisized (can't spell) because in general, our society is pro breast feeding. I totally give all my support to bf moms because I know how hard it is - hence why I wasn't able to do it. I thought this time around I would be critisized more because of my choice (most everyone understood why I didn't with the first one) but no one has said anything, then again, I don't really know many women who are nursing, or for that matter anyone in general lol. I guess maybe I'm finally old enough that I don't care if I get judged... finally I'm there lol <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/tongue.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Tongue' align='absmiddle'> | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1580
| | 10/05/2007 9:20 AM |
Alert | I'm not looking to debate anyone here, just being another adult expressing my opinion
I am the first to say that I am a lactivist. I catch a lot of flak among my family and friends for my beliefs. My own mother thinks I am nuts! I think everyone should breastfeed, even if it's just for a few weeks. I think every mother owes it to her baby to try it for a reasonable amount of time. It pains me everytime I hear a mother say that she never even tried to BF because (what I see as silly reasons ) "its too hard" or "it's disgusting" or "my husband/partner doesn't want to share my breasts". Breastfeeding as so many positives! for mom and baby! There are actually very few reasons why a woman should not breastfeed (medical) and even fewer reasons that a woman can't breastfeed (the actual inability to do so). There are so many resources available, in person and online.
I've learned how to nurse a baby in public, and nobody is aware of it. I can walk in Target, push a shopping cart and nurse a baby at the same time. My husband is 100% supportive and my kids don't know any different (they even ask why baby dolls come with bottles).
And in my house, because I am the sole nutritional source for our babies for so long (exclusive BF for 6 months before any solids are started), I become exempt from yucky diapers and a few other tasks. "gee honey, I got up to feed jr 3 times last night, you grab this diaper okay?" :wink:
Once I have this baby, and am ready to be away from him for a good chunk of time (about a year old), I will be going to nursing school. I have every intention of being an RN, and lactation consultant. And I am so excited at the thought that I will be able to help mom's do something so wonderful for themselves and their babies! | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
Posts:0
| | 10/05/2007 10:23 AM |
Alert | I breastfed for 8 months.
It's the best thing for mom and child.
Superficial benefits for Mom: GREAT WEIGHT LOSS
Diapers are also TOLERABLE if the baby is breast fed.....if you have breastfed before you will know what I am talking about.
Benefits for child: Great immune system, bond with mommy, easy on tummy....
I could go on and on.
When I breastfed I had a "tent"----it was basically a blanket with a weight in one of the four corners.
I would throw the weighted end over my shoulder......then the other part of the blanket would cover me and the baby if we had to nurse in public.
I tried to be discrete. Thus it was a win-win for me and my son while not offending anyone else that was less tolerant of something so natural and precious and beautiful.
(I'm not bitter or biased! ha)
Anyway, remember to alternate which breast you are feeding from.
And please note do not think that breastfeeding necessarily ruins your cleavage. In my case, NOTHING was impacted....NOTHING. I look the same as I did before I nursed.
Because of the supply and demand.....and going back to work....trying to pump at the office, I ended my nursing experience at 8 months. I switched to Enfamil---it was the closest thing I could find to breast milk
(BTW MEDELA BREAST PUMPS ROCK.... whomever is reading this get the kind that has either 1) a car adaptor and/or 2) battery possibilities....This comes in handy when you don't have an electrical outlet nearby and the charge on the battery dies + it enables you to pump in your car on-the-go).
I am 100% PRO NURSING MOMS. I think it's the best thing for all involved.
But whatever your choice....it's yours to make and I wish you the best.
Kimberly
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|  | NEZv69.69
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| | 10/05/2007 10:38 AM |
Alert | | YUCK | | | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
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| | 10/05/2007 10:51 AM |
Alert | Thanks for your opinion.
Thank goodness we live in the US where we are all entitled to have one.
Nothing yucky about it IMHO.....but we can agree to disagree.
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/05/2007 11:29 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By YZRacer on 10/05/2007 9:20 AM
I'm not looking to debate anyone here, just being another adult expressing my opinion
I am the first to say that I am a lactivist. I catch a lot of flak among my family and friends for my beliefs. My own mother thinks I am nuts! I think everyone should breastfeed, even if it's just for a few weeks. I think every mother owes it to her baby to try it for a reasonable amount of time. It pains me everytime I hear a mother say that she never even tried to BF because (what I see as silly reasons ) "its too hard" or "it's disgusting" or "my husband/partner doesn't want to share my breasts". Breastfeeding as so many positives! for mom and baby! There are actually very few reasons why a woman should not breastfeed (medical) and even fewer reasons that a woman can't breastfeed (the actual inability to do so). There are so many resources available, in person and online.
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It's not really fair to discount one person's reasons for not being able to nurse. In some cases, it may be too hard and honestly it's not always best for baby when there is a lot of tension and stress over it. My situation is probably rare, I really wanted to nurse my first child - but she had thrush, couldn't latch on, gave me thrush with bleeding cracking you know what on top of a badly healing c-section incision. I honestly believe that me trying to nurse her those first weeks did a lot more damage to both of us than was necessary, and I believe that because of the stress I was under because of it, that it really impacted her eating habits as an infant. The 'breast is best' attitude, is great, but it's not fair to say that ones emotional reasons behind not doing it are 'silly'.
On the other hand, I think in my particular situation if I had someone as passionate about it as you are teaching me how do it, things may have turned out differently. But in a lot of cases with new mothers, they are quickly given up on after a day or two of not being able to do it. So, I think it's awesome that you are going to be an RN - more women need the positive support you can give! Best of luck! | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1580
| | 10/05/2007 11:39 AM |
Alert | support and education is key! breastfeeding is natural, but not always easy, and sometimes we have to work at it. I think people get the idea that natural=easy and that's not always true. That's why nurses and lactation consultants and groups like Le Leche League exist. the first few days are rough, and unless support is given or sought after, then failure is likely to happen. Especially if one goes into it with a "i'll try it once and stop if i don't like it/it's too hard" mentality. my aunt went at bf like this, and it was disastrous.
there are many things in our lives that are hard, but we don't give up after a try or two. we keep going because we know what's best. | |
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| | kab28az@yahoo.com
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| | 10/05/2007 11:44 AM |
Alert | Oh yea....I had TONS of support.
Scottsdale HealthCare North at Shea is where I delivered and they had a wonderful and supportive staff.
They also had a breastfeeding hotline and classes.
I also happened to know a friend of a friend who was part of The La Leche League.
There are TONS of things to learn.
Like, don't freak out if your baby loses some weight initially...that's normal.
And there are secrets on how to take care of your body---parts have the potential to hurt when nursing.
<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
There's also "pump and dump" techniques if you do want to have an occasional glass of wine and don't want to risk anything passing through the milk.
There's so much really cool and interesting things to learn.
It can be frustrating and one should have a support network in place.
I learned SOOOOOO much when I was a nursing mom.
Kimberly | | | |
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| | NEZv69.69
Posts:0
| | 10/05/2007 11:54 AM |
Alert | Thanks for letting me know I'm in the United States. I AM planning a trip to Mexico...I guess I mentally checked out early...so Spanks!!
...wasted away again in margaritaville.... | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 10/05/2007 1:12 PM |
Alert | | it is super nice to know that if i have any problems there are so many experienced moms around maricopa to help out. not being the shy and retiring type, i certainly won't hesitate to hop on here and ask for help if i need it. and thank you so much to those of you who have already PMed me your phone numbers and told me to call anytime. we're now 2 days past due date and counting...PLEASE send me all your positive labor vibes, nothing else is working. mom is on the phone right now changing her plane reservation from saturday to next wednesday, but that is the latest she can possibly push it due to work commitments. i won't do a medical induction unless nick is in distress, so warm wishes, good feelings and the safest of the old wives tales will have to do for now on getting this show on the road!!! | | | |
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| | MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 10/05/2007 1:46 PM |
Alert | | try drinking some Rasberry leaf tea... it works. I was scared that I wouldn't deliver in time and drank it | |
Ppppppbbbbbbssssssssssttttttttt! | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/05/2007 1:48 PM |
Alert | | I remember those last days - they were hell! The anticipation just kills you! Nothing worked for me - had to be induced then to a csection, but I tried everything too! Only thing I didn't try was S-E-X so maybe that's the key!!! | | | |
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| | Mommystacey
Posts:180
| | 10/05/2007 2:04 PM |
Alert | I had a very ahrd time breastfeeding. I could barly sit up my breast were hurting soooo bad, and he had to drink more than I could produc, so we had to offer formula and breast milk in the begining, but I stuck with it and I got him on all breast mild and have been bf for a year now. I could not imagine my life without those special times we share when I feed him. Its sad to think that it is going to be over soon They grow up to fast. BF is very hard and I can see why some women have problems, I was just very adament and it worked. I just kept trying and was succesfull. I had a great pump too palytex, it was wonderfull!!!! Good luck everyone | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1580
| | 10/05/2007 4:16 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By demonica on 10/05/2007 1:12 PM
it is super nice to know that if i have any problems there are so many experienced moms around maricopa to help out. not being the shy and retiring type, i certainly won't hesitate to hop on here and ask for help if i need it. and thank you so much to those of you who have already PMed me your phone numbers and told me to call anytime. we're now 2 days past due date and counting...PLEASE send me all your positive labor vibes, nothing else is working. mom is on the phone right now changing her plane reservation from saturday to next wednesday, but that is the latest she can possibly push it due to work commitments. i won't do a medical induction unless nick is in distress, so warm wishes, good feelings and the safest of the old wives tales will have to do for now on getting this show on the road!!!</div>
how long will your doctor let you go? have you scrubbed floors on your hands and knees? S-E-X? mexican food?
don't worry, he WILL come out. :0
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 10/07/2007 9:24 PM |
Alert | | i have an appointment tomorrow, we will discuss induction then, but i really don't wanna go that route. back at the beginning he told me that unless the baby is in distress, he doesn't get concerned until 2 weeks past EDD, phew! done the sex thing...a lot. tried all kinds of spicy foods, primarily wasabi on EVERYTHING, but also szechuwan chineese, mexican, etc. done the raspberry leaf tea and the pineapple juice. haven't been on my knees scrubbing floors (not sure i could get back up again) but i did help hubby and his friend push the pathfinder across the gravel yard this morning and carried an 18 month old around much of the afternoon, to no avail!!! | | | |
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| | The Nag
Posts:127
| | 10/07/2007 11:18 PM |
Alert | Demonica - I don't know if you have ever bf before but just an FYI. When your milk comes in you may have flu like symptoms. With my boys My milk did not come in for about a week. When it did I thought I was going to die. Body aches like crazy. It lasted about 12 hours with my babies. Standing in a hot shower will help too!
Don't give up on breast feeding! It took me awhile with my kids to do well...so worth it on every level!
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| | love@hm
Posts:477
| | 10/08/2007 7:51 AM |
Alert | Nag,
It sounds like you were going straight to mastitis, which is often caused by milk ducts which are not releasing and get clogged. . . flu-like symtoms are not normal when your milk comes in, however that is extremely normal with mastitis.
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