Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 05/16/2008 11:40 AM |
 Alert | | Good luck. Orbitel was never able to resolve my speed and latency issues. Probably a problem with their network. | |
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just a girl
Posts:207
| | 05/16/2008 12:21 PM |
Alert | | i think my orbitel speed is slower than the dial up i had way back when! | | | |
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1014
| | 05/16/2008 1:08 PM |
Alert | Jason, Are you using DSL? | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 05/16/2008 1:15 PM |
Alert | | Yep. 7Mbps Qwest ADSL. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than Orbitel was. | |
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Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 05/16/2008 1:44 PM |
Alert | | No DSL where I live :-( | |
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton | |
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garion
Posts:66
| | 05/17/2008 11:16 AM |
Alert | One thing I've found with Orbitel is that their DNS server sucks.. It stops serving every so often, and is horribly slow. They also filter it, which is also bad.. This doesn't affect peoples transfer speed, but may affect the perceived speed of web pages loading... And when its dead, webpages just won't come up...
DNS is what converts the web addresses like www.amazon.com to IP addresses.. If you think of DNS as a phonebook, where you look up someone's name to get a phone number, you wouldn't be far off..
I ended up setting up a DNS proxy that talks to an outside DNS service that I have.. I had to force everything over TCP because of Orbitel's filtering..
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Cactus Rob
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Ebay1
Posts:127
| | 05/18/2008 8:50 AM |
Alert | Posted By garion on 05/17/2008 11:16 AM
One thing I've found with Orbitel is that their DNS server sucks.. It stops serving every so often, and is horribly slow. They also filter it, which is also bad.. This doesn't affect peoples transfer speed, but may affect the perceived speed of web pages loading... And when its dead, webpages just won't come up...
DNS is what converts the web addresses like www.amazon.com to IP addresses.. If you think of DNS as a phonebook, where you look up someone's name to get a phone number, you wouldn't be far off..
I ended up setting up a DNS proxy that talks to an outside DNS service that I have.. I had to force everything over TCP because of Orbitel's filtering..
--garion (semi-DNS expert) This is why I have memorized over 10,000 IP addresses. I just punch in the IP address of any website. No need for their DNS servers.  | | | |
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Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 05/19/2008 6:59 AM |
Alert | Posted By garion on 05/17/2008 11:16 AM
One thing I've found with Orbitel is that their DNS server sucks.. It stops serving every so often, and is horribly slow. They also filter it, which is also bad.. This doesn't affect peoples transfer speed, but may affect the perceived speed of web pages loading... And when its dead, webpages just won't come up...
DNS is what converts the web addresses like www.amazon.com to IP addresses.. If you think of DNS as a phonebook, where you look up someone's name to get a phone number, you wouldn't be far off..
I ended up setting up a DNS proxy that talks to an outside DNS service that I have.. I had to force everything over TCP because of Orbitel's filtering..
--garion (semi-DNS expert) I think this is a bit over my head as well. But let me ask you what did the whole system set up cost? I am a bit frustrated and other options look better by the day. | |
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton | |
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mikethegoalie
Posts:446
| | 05/19/2008 2:24 PM |
Alert | ORBITEL IS SO SLOW!! I can't believe it. I have to use my old laptop sometimes.. 56K!
I do need to call them. | | | |
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1014
| | 05/19/2008 3:24 PM |
Alert | I've tested mine using speakeasy several times today. I'm averaging about 5 megs down and 750 kbps up. I can live with these speeds if only they will last! | | | |
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garion
Posts:66
| | 05/20/2008 9:44 AM |
Alert | Posted By Smokin Ace on 05/19/2008 6:59 AM I think this is a bit over my head as well. But let me ask you what did the whole system set up cost? I am a bit frustrated and other options look better by the day. It was a free for me. I run a Linux server at home, and I used the "pdnsd" app to handle the DNS proxying. I pointed it to use OpenDNS's servers, and forced everything over TCP to get around Orbitel's filtering. You will also have to correctly setup your DHCP service to use the pdnsd app. Not for the faint of heart. It adds a layer of indirection, and in some cases slower, but its far more reliable than Orbitel's solution. (Note that Orbitel's filtering does not affect 99.9% of their users, only if you trying to directly query outside DNS servers, which most people do not.. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, its very unlikely that the filtering affects you.. I mainly do it becuase I was tired of their DNS being down on occasion..) | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 05/20/2008 11:50 AM |
Alert | | So Orbitel is forcing people to use their DNS servers only? | |
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Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 05/20/2008 3:21 PM |
Alert | Posted By Cactus Rob on 05/19/2008 3:24 PM I've tested mine using speakeasy several times today. I'm averaging about 5 megs down and 750 kbps up. I can live with these speeds if only they will last!
Last....LOL never.
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1014
| | 05/20/2008 4:23 PM |
Alert | If it doesn't last, I'll not settle for 5 megs next time I call them. I won't settle for anything less than the full 8 megs they're now advertising.  | | | |
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garion
Posts:66
| | 05/20/2008 6:32 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 05/20/2008 11:50 AM
So Orbitel is forcing people to use their DNS servers only?
Yes.. Doing some dig's to some servers I control shows me that anything going UDP is getting intercepted and forced to some other server. Still reports as the specified server the responder, even though i know for a fact the data is wrong. Adding the +tcp switch to the dig shows me the correct data.
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garion
Posts:66
| | 05/20/2008 6:36 PM |
Alert | Here's an example: vale:~ garion$ dig 85239.test. @udns1.ultradns.net
; <<>> DiG 9.4.1-P1 <<>> 85239.test. @udns1.ultradns.net
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 35178
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;85239.test. IN A
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
. 10800 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2008052001 1800 900 604800 86400
;; Query time: 3308 msec
;; SERVER: 204.69.234.1#53(204.69.234.1)
;; WHEN: Tue May 20 18:33:48 2008
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 103 And adding the +tcp: vale:~ garion$ dig +tcp 85239.test. @udns1.ultradns.net
; <<>> DiG 9.4.1-P1 <<>> +tcp 85239.test. @udns1.ultradns.net
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4137
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;85239.test. IN A
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
85239.test. 20864 IN SOA udns1.ultradns.net. garion.85239.test. 2008052102 10800 3600 2592000 86400
;; Query time: 81 msec
;; SERVER: 204.69.234.1#53(204.69.234.1)
;; WHEN: Tue May 20 18:34:31 2008
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 89 | | | |
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Ebay1
Posts:127
| | 05/21/2008 8:19 AM |
Alert | 204.69.234.1 is a DNS server from Neustar UltraDNS. A service that most large companies use to manage their internal or external DNS servers. Some companies that use UltraDNS service is Overstock.com, Amazon, Petco and a lot of others. Cox and other cable companies also use DNS to manage parked domains and redirect mistyped URL's. Unfortunately some ISP's are now redirecting requests to IRC sites to one of their own servers which runs a bot removal script. I'm showing Orbitels internal DNS servers are 209.55.5.10 and 209.55.5.11 | | | |
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Smokin Ace
Posts:246
| | 05/21/2008 10:36 AM |
Alert | | I checked it last night and I was a 6 megs. So I am hoping this is going to stay for some time but who knows. | |
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garion
Posts:66
| | 05/21/2008 6:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By Ebay1 on 05/21/2008 8:19 AM 204.69.234.1 is a DNS server from Neustar UltraDNS. A service that most large companies use to manage their internal or external DNS servers. Some companies that use UltraDNS service is Overstock.com, Amazon, Petco and a lot of others. Cox and other cable companies also use DNS to manage parked domains and redirect mistyped URL's. Unfortunately some ISP's are now redirecting requests to IRC sites to one of their own servers which runs a bot removal script. I'm showing Orbitels internal DNS servers are 209.55.5.10 and 209.55.5.11
I work for UltraDNS, I'm one of their main developers (which is why I was able to add that 85239.test zone into the system. Anyone with their own DNS server can do the same, if you query it directly). Smaller companies, individuals etc can also get accounts by signing up at the website. I only showed that as an example of how Orbitel is filtering. If you notice, the UDP reply -claims- to be from UltraDNS, but clearly is not. Only the TCP one returned the correct data.
I dont believe Orbitel trying to do the OpenDNS thing, and redirect you do some search webpage (which breaks various other internet applications), but I think they are trying to use it as caching. It doesn't break things for most people, but for me, because I have to test other DNS servers, it quite annoying. | | | |
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