Tempting Fait1
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 | | 07/09/2007 7:08 AM |
 Alert | My dad had a wireless router for a printer that never really worked--now my dad had a habit of falling asleep with his hand on the mouse and would click things in his sleep and mess alot of things up and that could have been the problem.
Do these things work with any amount of reliability?? I'd like to set my scanner/printer up on wireless so I can leave it on the table across the room, it's an HP Officejet 6210 and will be using it mainly for scanning and craft projects. I have a Cannon printer as my main printer and it's sitting beside the computer but since I HATE HP and inherited this one I'd rather only use it for scanning and the copy/enlarge/reduce abilities. | |
The red head is BACK!! (and still mouthy)
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umtech
Posts:143
| | 07/09/2007 12:02 PM |
Alert | | I have both a HP PSC 2510 and HP 1320 Laserjet setup as wireless connections to my router and left on all the time and have no problems with either one of them yet. You may however have more of a problem if your wireless connection is left wide open for the world, setup either MAC authentication if you can or WEP, either one will work fine | | | |
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Jason
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| | 07/09/2007 1:44 PM |
Alert | | No, neither WEP nor MAC are secure. The only way to secure your wireless connection is to use WPA with a 15-20+ character password. Make sure it contains letters, numbers and doesn't have words from the dictionary. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 1:45 PM |
Alert | | Sorry, the first sentence should read: "Neither WEP nor MAC filtering are secure." | |
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Tjtellez9
Posts:228
| | 07/09/2007 5:36 PM |
Alert | actually depends on what you call "secure" if you mean encrypted then sure they are not strongly secuyred enough. BUT if you look at the defenition of WEP its "wired equivelent Protection" Meaning that its connection is just as secure as if you were wired.
WPA is secure YES but at the same time can become a bti complicated and may not function well with older "legacy" drivers and adapters.
Fait, if your printer has an ethernet port on it I have a wireless adapter that would do the same thing for you. Send me a PM if you would be interested. | | | |
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Jason
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| | 07/09/2007 6:03 PM |
Alert | I mean it's not secure in the sense that it's like posting a sign on your front door that says, "My door is locked, but don't look under the planter."
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>BUT if you look at the defenition of WEP its "wired equivelent Protection" Meaning that its connection is just as secure as if you were wired.</div>
WEP can be cracked in less than a minute now. You might as well be using an open connection. It is no longer a wired equivalent. | |
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umtech
Posts:143
| | 07/09/2007 6:06 PM |
Alert | | In all fairness they are all secure for the home environment, I highly doubt that anyone is going to be sitting in there car on the street looking for signals, nor I doubt that your neighbor is going to be sitting there hacking away. Either of those should be more than sufficient for the home user. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 6:08 PM |
Alert | Is it though? Why risk passing all of your personal information on a connection that can be broken in seconds? Why risk allowing someone to park on the street and download kiddie-porn? It isn't difficult to secure, completely outweighing the possibility that someone could cause you to go to jail, have the RIAA/MPAA on your tail or someone stealing your identity?
I mean, do you know all of your neighbors in a 75 foot radius? Do you know them all well enough to trust them with all of your personal information? How do you know that one day one of them wouldn't like to see something happen to you?
WEP is no longer sufficient for <i>anyone</i>. | |
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umtech
Posts:143
| | 07/09/2007 6:24 PM |
Alert | | Jason, we both are gearing towards the same results, I'm not going to go down this road, WEP is secure, WPA is more secure, I doubt that many people can even get into the router and do this. For those that can't or don't understand then the lessor of evils are going to work fine. As for my neighbors, I know them, I don't broadcast out my SSID (not that this matters just helps), I use a combination of WEP with encryption so if someone wants it bad enough have at it. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who you are, if they want it bad enough they'll find a way to get it. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 6:36 PM |
Alert | Publicly available tools make it possible to break WEP in less than one minute. You call that secure? It doesn't take many people to ruin one's life, it only takes one.
At the end of the day if they want it bad enough, they'll get it? Fine, but that's no reason to make yourself a target. If I subscribed to that theory I'd toss all of the credit card applications and everything else I put into the shredder out for public view.
WPA is simple, easy and there is no reason not to use it. | |
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umtech
Posts:143
| | 07/09/2007 6:40 PM |
Alert | | Yea and stealing your SSI number or CC can do the same thing from a piece of paper, so what is the point? Having something is better than nothing. | | | |
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umtech
Posts:143
| | 07/09/2007 6:53 PM |
Alert | This is pretty funny we are having this conversation.. the Mesa Tribune in the business section (B2) has an article on unsecured wireless networks. Talks about how unsecure/secure they are and at the very least says to use WEP or WPA and turn off SSID. But even then if someone wants it bad enough they'll try for it. For the lay person, any type of security is better than none.
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 6:55 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By umtech on 07/09/2007 6:40 PM
Yea and stealing your SSI number or CC can do the same thing from a piece of paper, so what is the point? Having something is better than nothing.</div>
Fine, but why give people less when more is free? Again, WEP is crackable within one minute, WPA is not (with a strong password). Your article proves one point: The author is ignorant. | |
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Tjtellez9
Posts:228
| | 07/09/2007 6:56 PM |
Alert | OK Jason, you need to step away from the bong and the world of warcraft. Your paranoia is not going over well on this forum.
There is this lovely thing called a firewall which is built into most routers. AND yes though I may now how to hack into a router to change the WEP key or anything else, just as umtech says its just as easy to dig through your mail.
WPA can cause a connection to run slower than its advertised speed due to the encryption and like I said is not compatible with MANY drivers for current adapters priced within a reasonable price range. Be careful what paranoia you sling.
WEP is more than usable in the environment here. Noone is slinging level five classifie3d secrets here and are just as liable to get "hacked" as the homeless guy on the corner. I used to work technical support and You are the reason most people call in saying " I think I was hacked" it hardly happens anymore. Most of it is done with phishing sites and email viruses.
SO take off your aluminum hat. Dump out the half drank glasses of water, and get rid of your ten years of food storage. WEP works JUST fine. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 7:08 PM |
Alert | Yeah, paranoia, that's it. Go ahead, ignore the facts.
And no, I'm not the reason for your tech support calls. I actually do the job properly and get things working before giving them back to users. It's the technicians that don't do their jobs that caused your tech support calls.
Degrades performance? If you care about performance enough to notice the difference between WEP and WPA, you'd be using Ethernet.
Compatibility, I can understand. But is the compatibility worth the risk? No. It's not paranoia if the risk is real (and it is). It is however reckless ignorance if you advise your users to use WEP without even trying WPA or making them aware of the dangers of WEP. I'll stick to facts, you can stick to name calling.
And since you're not paranoid, can you PM me your SSN? Didn't think so.<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/laugh.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Laugh' align='absmiddle'> | |
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umtech
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| | 07/09/2007 7:13 PM |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 7:29 PM |
Alert | | I don't buy the "prohibitively expensive" argument either. WPA doesn't cost any more to use. | |
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agit8d
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| | 07/09/2007 7:46 PM |
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back to the real question. The printer may work just fine via wireless but i don't think the scanner will. it usually requires to be directly connected to the pc unless it is network capable and that is usually on a domain | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 7:56 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>you must be missing something you code does not work anyway MAC filtering is simple and secure enough for the average Joe</div>
MAC addresses are trivially spoofable. Works for the average Joe? Sure, if only 1 in 100,000 are hacked, would you want to be that one?
MAC filtering is (weak) access control, not even a form of encryption. With only MAC filtering, your data goes across in the clear. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/09/2007 8:03 PM |
Alert | | Costco has an OfficeJet right now that will do network scanning without being connected to a domain. I did an ink price comparison to Canon and the cartridges for this HP aren't a ripoff either. | |
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