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TortosaGuy
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 Alert | | they can stay home and destroy the inside walls of their home and call it whatever they want | |
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Lees2
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| | 08/23/2007 6:09 PM |
Alert | | Marni, my post was toward Demonica. I am not saying that I am an authority on art, as she is stating. I am stating there is no reason to tag and tagging isn't art. Children need to be able to learn to control themselves. As I said, muraling is something totally different and not what I am talking about. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 08/23/2007 8:59 PM |
Alert | I'm with Vinny.... Bust a Cap in them...
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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DesertDweller
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| | 08/23/2007 10:35 PM |
Alert | Graffiti isn't art, it's vandalism. It is the result of a lack of respect for the community and the property of others. It's signifies a lack of parental involvement in the lives of their children. It not only destroys property, it's an attempt to make the voice of the disadvantaged punk louder than the voice of the community at large.
When a minor is caught vandalizing, the parents should be held accountable. That means if it costs tens of thousands to replace a block wall that can't be restored to the original condition with paint, then let them take a second out on the house. Or, better yet, sell it and move somewhere else.
The minor in question should be held criminally accountable. This means intense and visible community service. We have weeds on 347. A year or so of weekends pulling them in the hot sun should send the message. | |
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akflyer
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| | 08/23/2007 11:42 PM |
Alert | | Very well said DesertDweller! This is about basic respect for the community and the property of others. It is not about artistic merit or the lack thereof. | | | |
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mallardisme
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| | 08/23/2007 11:49 PM |
Alert | Stupid Question:
Is it still there?
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Ghost_of_tjtellez_past
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| | 08/24/2007 7:17 AM |
Alert | OK so let me state for the record. VANDALISM is a crime. My main point was simply that not all taggers are gangbangers.
If they destroyed private, or even public property, then I agree both their parents and the individual should be held accountable. | | | |
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alanf
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| | 08/24/2007 7:34 AM |
Alert | What is so difficult to understand here??? Tagging is vandalism...PERIOD. No wall for artistic expression should be provided. Taggers should visit the juvenille detention complex for a day or two. Now graffiti CAN be artistic when it is applied as such. However, Maricopa has not seen anything but tagging. Fine the parents for the clean-up and let the kids spend some time with real criminals (under observation of course).
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livinginthecopasux
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| | 08/24/2007 9:50 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ghost_of_tjtellez_past on 08/23/2007 1:11 PM
Just an FYi I know a lot of taggers in former lives and NONE of them were gang bangers. Repressed artists maybe, but not all taggers are in a gang.
They do have a "crew" but they are typically non violent. They speak through their art.
I think this is one of the first times i agree with TJ
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livinginthecopasux
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| | 08/24/2007 9:54 AM |
Alert | | well if you think im vadalizing with works like this... i think you are vadalizing the planet with your concrete houses, and your carbon spewing cars...get over it expression is expression some people choose to express themselves in different ways, just because you dont like the way they are going about it. "judge not lest ye be judged."- Jonathan Higgins aka higgy baby | |
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Sinbad
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| | 08/24/2007 9:56 AM |
Alert | that's nice... but not for the side of Fry's.
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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alanf
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| | 08/24/2007 10:09 AM |
Alert | Posted By livinginthecopasux on 08/24/2007 9:54 AM
well if you think im vadalizing with works like this... i think you are vadalizing the planet with your concrete houses, and your carbon spewing cars...get over it expression is expression some people choose to express themselves in different ways, just because you dont like the way they are going about it. "judge not lest ye be judged."- Jonathan Higgins aka higgy baby
If we saw this anywhere in Copa it would be a different story. It is beautiful. However, I believe it denotes something that we are not striving for...especially if it is painted on the side of Frys.
Now, if you will just read the thread and then go look at the current "expression of art" on the side of Frys...I'm sure you will retract your post and stop putting the R in Rtard.  | | | |
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mallardisme
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| | 08/24/2007 10:12 AM |
Alert | There were some people that decided to express themselves on 9-11.
Kind of extreme, I know.
My point is that freedom of expression ends when it detrys lives or property.
Vandalism should not be rewarded. It should be punished for the crime that it is: Willfull destruction of property.
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mallardisme
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| | 08/24/2007 10:32 AM |
Alert | Here is another fine example of people expressing themselves.
http://news.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=575854
This will also take time and money to fix. I don't think they should be charged, though.
They were just acting out a Salvador Dali painting... An interesting juxtaposition of education and stupidity. | |
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DesertDweller
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| | 08/24/2007 10:32 AM |
Alert | | Eh, higgy baby. If I decide to put up a concrete house, it's because I own the land. You, sir, are a disenfranchised loser. You own nothing. You have accomplished nothing except to put pretty colored pictures memorializing your ghetto life onto someone else's property. If you want to express yourself, go buy a canvas and paint on it. Maybe after your sorry ass has been buried underground for a hundred years, some rich white guy will be loaning your work to the Louvre for a tax break. | |
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priscillarea
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| | 08/24/2007 11:32 AM |
Alert | It is against the law. It destroys property. What does the word "Tagging" mean? I thought it was to mark a territory.
Still against the law. Parents and the kids are responsible - even if the parent doesn't think so. Know where you kid is at all times, what they are doing and who are they with. Pick up the parents and the kid. Give them a ticket and make them financially responsibile and the kid should do a little community work. | | | |
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TortosaGuy
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| | 08/24/2007 12:11 PM |
Alert | | love your posts DD....taggers are like dogs pissing on things to mark their territory...its not art in my opinion...murals are different.. | |
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livinginthecopasux
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| | 08/24/2007 12:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By DesertDweller on 08/24/2007 10:32 AM
Eh, higgy baby. If I decide to put up a concrete house, it's because I own the land. You, sir, are a disenfranchised loser. You own nothing. You have accomplished nothing except to put pretty colored pictures memorializing your ghetto life onto someone else's property. If you want to express yourself, go buy a canvas and paint on it. Maybe after your sorry ass has been buried underground for a hundred years, some rich white guy will be loaning your work to the Louvre for a tax break.
did you just call me a disenfranchised loser? Who has accoplished nothing.... surley you are talking about the person or persons who painted on the side of Fry's and not me directly.
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robinlynn
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| | 08/24/2007 1:21 PM |
Alert | "And quit calling me Shirley"! | | | |
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