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jimbobUser is Offline

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05/18/2008 2:14 PM Alert 

Can anyone elighten me on drip settings?  We mostly have low water use plants.  They're typical desert plants but I don't remember the name of all of them right now. 

What should our drip be set on?  Number of days and time?

The plants have been in the ground for a few months and are doing pretty well so far.  Our cactus aren't on the drip and we just water them for a few seconds once a week. 

Also, when our landscaper installed our backyard they put our drip on the same zone as the front yard.  I figured it should be on the other zone so we can change up the water if necessary but maybe that's not necessary.  The plants in the front are pretty similar.  Any thoughts on that?  An email to them has been unanswered.

Thanks!  We're stilling getting used to these desert plants. 

 


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05/18/2008 3:04 PM Alert 
Gosh, I know how you feel Jimbob! Our backyard was installed with the front also. We have 2 zones-1 for grass which is only in front and the rest all on the other zone! I think that probably isn't best...but everything is doing fine. I still have no idea how to set the darn thing and how much to set it for each day. I THINK mine comes on 2 times a day for drip(a short time) and 2 or 3 times a day for the grass. It is all messed up! If someone could master it I would pay them to come set mine!! Good luck!

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05/18/2008 6:47 PM Alert 
I also have questions about adjusting my drip system. I have never had one before, and honestly don't know that much about it.
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05/18/2008 7:23 PM Alert 
The first few weeks after instalation watering should occur a few times a day, after that a deep watering of about 30-40 minutes every 3rd day should be good for plants. Everyday for 8-12 minutes should suffice for sod.

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05/18/2008 7:25 PM Alert 

Warning: probably too much information in this post.

There are many variables that come into choosing drip settings, but my observation is that the vast majority of people water too frequently and not deeply enough.  Deep watering has two good results: it wastes less water and encourages stronger root development, making plants more drought and cold tolerant.

Some of the variables to keep in mind include type of soil (clay retains water better than fast draining soil), how new the shrub/tree is (first summer requires about 150-200% of the water for a same sized established plant), how many emitters are on the given shrub/tree, and how fast flowing the emitter is (they are rated in gallons per hour, with common values of 1/2, 1, 2, and 4...some varaible emitters I have go to 5 or even 8).  This may be useful for your backyard that is on the same zone, as you can still apply more (or less) water by using different rate emitters.

I'll describe what I do as a possible guideline...it has worked well for me. I have three zones - a lawn and flower garden zone (pop-ups), a moderate use zone (drip), and a low use zone (drip).  None of my cacti are on drip.  Also note that most of my trees/plants have made it through at least one summer, some two.  i.e. I've cut back a little comapred to first summer plants.

Currently, I am watering the lawn zone twice a week for 20 minutes.  This might be a little too much actually.   The moderate use is run once a week for 3:00, and the low use is run once a week for 2:15.  In general, the low use has slower flowing emtters, too.  In a couple of weeks I may add a second running for the moderate use for about 30-45 minutes sicne I have potted plants on it.

Examples of what I have on each zone: moderate use: hibiscus, roses, heavenly bamboo, orange jubilee, passion flower vine, pink trumpet vine, butterfly bush, arizona sweet orange tree, several potted plants on the north side of the house.  Low use: desert willow, shoestring acacia, cape honeysuckle, bouganvilliea, spotted emu, pyracantha, texas sage, mexican bird of paradise, yellow bird of paradise, hummingbird mint, angelita daisy, blackfoot daisy.

Trees and large shrubs should have multiple emitters.  As they grow, new emitters should be added, and they should be moved to the drip-line of the tree to encourage root growth (though keep one or two inside the drip line too.  Desert trees like palo verde or mesquite can likely be removed from drip altogether after 3 or so years, but will need a couple of good soakings with the hose in the summer to insure they do not drop leaves.  This helps keep their growth in control and reduces pruning needed.

This last winter, I completely turned off the drip system from late November through mid February, with one exception (I ran it one time).  It is important to cut back on water beginning in October.  If it stays warm and you keep high levels of water, you encourage too much new growth that will be much more subject to die-back in freezing weather.

As for the cacti...cacti like Saguaro, cholla, and hedgehogs only really need to be watered once or twice 2 weeks after planting, and in subsequent years perhaps once or twice in the hottest/driest parts of the summer.  Most cacti should never be watered in winter as they are very susceptable to root rot.  Golden Barrel cacti do need a little more water than some cacti, they need to be watered weekly first spring-fall, and every 10-14 days in subsequent years (assuming heavy clay soil).

Hope this helps.  You might try googling the U of A extension which has detailed watering schedules and descriptions.  Also, visit Maricopa Mountain Plumbing, and they are very helpful and may have a free brochure or two.

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05/18/2008 10:46 PM Alert 
I understand the fustration, I called AHS landscaping and they provided a service to set up and show the home owners how to run their timers. It helped!
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05/20/2008 9:19 AM Alert 
i dont mean to be a jerk here, but come on people seriously 20 mins for sod 2 times a week? shertex please tell me you dont water your lawn 2-3 times a day? oh dear lord that is making me dizzy just thinking about it. pm me and i bet i can fix it, or i can have AHS landscaping fix it for you at the least. bermuda grass does best with fewer waterings, 8 mins at the most. it can take the arizona summers so people do not have to soak the crap out of it for 20 mins. what a waste, that just makes me sad right there. for everyone that wants info on desert landscaping , i recommend buying a book called Arizona Gardeners Guide by Mary Irish. i have the book myself if anyone wants to check it out, very very insightful on how to garden here in the great state of arizona. one last suggestion for people with grass, i highly recommend 3 waterings a week 7-10 mins each. mine starts at 5am which lessens evaporation, just a thought.

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05/21/2008 1:46 PM Alert 
I have a terrible time trying regulate my drip system. Now instead of messing it all up and getting quite irritable, I just call Ryan at AZ-RY's Yard and Maintenance. He has helped me out several times. He is a great guy and his prices are very reasonable.
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05/21/2008 5:59 PM Alert 
Thanks for all of the info! Especially mrhawk for that long post full of lots of good info. I take a stab at it for now but probably call our original landscaper since they should know exactly what it should be.

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05/22/2008 5:47 AM Alert 
Posted By *rikimaru* on 05/20/2008 9:19 AM
i dont mean to be a jerk here, but come on people seriously 20 mins for sod 2 times a week?

 

Nothing like trying to be helpful and then having a pleasent reply like the above.  Note that in my post I indicated that there were flowers on the same zone, and that is not optimal and probably still too much.  And I neglected to say that I do not have "proper" head-to-head coverage on my pop-ups, so extra watering time is often needed due to unequal coverage.  in fact, I've noticed that many landscapers don't seem to properly install pop-ups, leaving a couple in the middle of the lawn and none of the edges.

I get concerned when I see un-qualified blanket statements like the one above as it might mislead people.  There are many factors that go into setting up a watering schedule, and no one answer works in all cases.

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05/22/2008 7:31 PM Alert 
fair enough, so fix it already? you wanted a lawn so do the best u can to fix the coverage issue. i had the same problem, so i had new head installed and i was able to drastically reduce the amount of water used.

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