06woman
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 Alert | Posted By Jason on 08/15/2007 2:14 PM Posted By 06woman on 08/15/2007 1:57 PM
I'm not sure what that has to do with morals. Ummm....underage smoker? 
That's not a moral issue.
Also, responding to your next post, a quick step through a little bit of cigarette smoke is hardly that big of a deal. She probably breathed in more car exhaust. That's just taking it to extremes.
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vinny
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Alert | Posted By chrissie on 08/15/2007 2:19 PM Posted By vinny on 08/15/2007 1:59 PM Posted By chrissie on 08/15/2007 1:48 PM Posted By YZRacer on 08/15/2007 11:44 AM
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I was at some event, a few years ago, very visably pregnant. a man lit up very near me, and while I wasn't pleased, I felt like I would be rude to ask him to move or whatever. He happened to look in my direction, and immediatly put out his cig and apologized. I never imagined that someone would do that. I think one of the worst things I have ever seen was when I was parking at Chandler Regional Hospital to have my daughter. Two spaces over I saw a girl and possibly her mother standing by the wall smoking together. I sat in the van and waited for them to walk away so I didn't have to expose myself to the second hand smoke. I was shocked to see that she was dressed in a hospital gown and was there to deliver her baby too. What kind of morals did she have? Why not just light up on the delivery table? Seriously, I think these laws are put into place for the people who don't have common sense or morals in their lives. I truly appreciate the smokers that go the extra mile to not offend, or harm anyone. if you can't handle being near a person with a small little flame from a cigarette, how did you handle walking in a parking lot with all the cars that drive around? what about a campfire? sometimes i think people go really overboard on what they won't go near... i can understand a thick smokey bar, but a parking lot? Believe me by no means do I live a sheltered life, but if I choose to wait that is my perogative. Yes I do understand it will take more than a 5 second walk past her to harm me or my unborn child. It was just sad to see. She even looked at me and one other person out there knowing she was doing something wrong. Just another example of a child not having a choice.
this comes to mind....
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/graphics/pregnant.jpg
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/pregnant.asp#photo
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Jason
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| | 08/15/2007 2:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By 06woman on 08/15/2007 2:35 PM Posted By Jason on 08/15/2007 2:14 PM Posted By 06woman on 08/15/2007 1:57 PM
I'm not sure what that has to do with morals. Ummm....underage smoker? That's not a moral issue.
Teaching your child it's OK to break a law is not a moral issue? 
Also, responding to your next post, a quick step through a little bit of cigarette smoke is hardly that big of a deal. She probably breathed in more car exhaust. That's just taking it to extremes.
It's not just a single occurrence though. Over time, a little step through here and there adds up. So yes, it is a big deal. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 08/15/2007 2:59 PM |
Alert | I haven't smoked a Cig in a Year!!!!! I don't plan on going back..
I did it for my family and the fact that the WIFE asked me too so we can get $100 off my life insurance...So I did.
I sent smoking CIGarettes the way of the times I smoked WACKY Tobacky. One day .. you just have to say ok.. no more!.
Now ... if only one more person in the house would do what they asked me to do... we would have a smoke free house...or smoke free back yard I mean.. lol. | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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MommaToni
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| | 08/15/2007 3:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By AzSandSlinger on 08/15/2007 7:47 AM
BIG difference from pre-1980's tobacco use and today's tobacco use... Nowadays, people know what the implications are from smoking.. if YOU choose to smoke and harm yourself (I smoke on occasion as well) that's one thing.. If you do it while exposing a child to 2nd hand smoke, your just selfish and ignorant..
It's not that everyone else knows what's better for you.. It's common sense.. Is it equally ok to give your kids booze? An ADULT has the mentality to make rational decisions.. a child does not..
-Shane
I totally agree. I quit smoking when I got pregnant and hdidn't start back up but would never smoke around my daughter and do not bring her into and smoking areas.
It is your choice to smoke but you should not force your child to sit there and inhale it too. It is just selfish. Just wait until you are outside...or better yet, by yourself.
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thiskiss
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| | 08/15/2007 3:04 PM |
Alert | Not exactly sure where I stand on this issue. Its a pretty difficult one for me. Pesonally, I don't think its worth the waste of time to do all the voting and counting and stuff. If you want to do something and it happens to be against the law then your still going to do it. For example, speeding and underage drinking/smoking. We have many laws in place but it doesn't seem to really do anything. How many people actually get caught? I think that if there is a place that allows smoking and you don't care for it then you just shouldn't go there! Plain and simple.
On the other hand I truely can't stand smoke. While my mother was pregnant with me and my sibling she smoked. She still smokes to this day right in front of me and while we are in the same car with only the window cracked. I do know what its like for those kids. Legally they can't do anything about it. They can't choose to not go to a certain establishment, or ride in a certain car because of the smoke. Its just rude that some people are willing to put their own childs health at risk. On the other hand, i know as adults if you don't like it then just go away from it. I truely don't think its worth the time and energy. If people want to break the law they are going to do it. There are so many bigger things right now that we need to worry about. I don't think that this is one of them. Adults pretty much have the right to subject their children to whatever they please. JMO | | | |
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MommaToni
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| | 08/15/2007 3:23 PM |
Alert | There are worse things to worry about? Shouldn't your children be firSt priority. Our children are the furtue... I think that's why most kids are so messed up now days cause no one is worried about them or what will effect them in the long run.
I agree as an adult, if you don't like the smoke walk away but children don't have that option. It will probably be another law that some people don't abide by but it will also deter some parents from taking that chance.
It is silly to say, it shoudln't be a law because not eveyone will follow it. Muder is a law that is broken..daily... so is rape, asault..and so on. Those are still vaild laws even though some people chose not to abide by them.
I don't think you should be able to smoke indoors anywhere. A car is an enclosed "room" so that should be included too.
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| | 08/15/2007 3:32 PM |
Alert | Do you folks want to ban parents from smoking around their children in their own home too? Or does this ban these parents from smoking around their children where YOU can see them since you feel it's necessary to get involved with making an adult's decisions for them?
Women smoked AND were pregnant for many years... My mother smoked her entire pregnancy with me - no ill effects here! Hell, I was born to a mother who in this day and age is considered 'advanced maternal age' where birth defects of children TRIPLE. Amazingly, she didn't even have an amnio or an ultrasound to make sure I wouldn't come out with three heads or a hump on my back!
I have a friend whose mother was drinking a bumper of beer during labor.... friend doesn't walk with a limp or anything!!!! Get over your righteous selves already! | |
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MommaToni
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| | 08/15/2007 3:47 PM |
Alert | | LOL... namecalling already! tisk tisk.... must not have been able to think of anything insightful. Thanks for the post though. It was enjoyable. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 08/15/2007 4:18 PM |
Alert | I came back to say.....
"DON'T SMOKE with the KIDS in the CAR!" | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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YZRacer
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| | 08/15/2007 4:22 PM |
Alert | Posted By Sinbad on 08/15/2007 2:59 PM
I haven't smoked a Cig in a Year!!!!! I don't plan on going back..
I did it for my family and the fact that the WIFE asked me too so we can get $100 off my life insurance...So I did.
I sent smoking CIGarettes the way of the times I smoked WACKY Tobacky. One day .. you just have to say ok.. no more!.
Now ... if only one more person in the house would do what they asked me to do... we would have a smoke free house...or smoke free back yard I mean.. lol.
Congrats! I know that beating cigs is hard, but it's so worth it isn't it? Way to go!
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MommaToni
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| | 08/15/2007 4:26 PM |
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tdickinson
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| | 08/15/2007 4:37 PM |
Alert | Okay, not sure why this seems to need any explanation, but since there seems to be a need to 'esplain it to the Big Boys and Girls here, here goes:
I have been both a smoker and a non-smoker. I NEVER smoked in my home or in my car with my kids - EVER. Why? Because it was MY choice to smoke - not theirs. Because I chose to do that and was the grown up that had the legal right to by them, my children did not, so why bring it home and MAKE them smoke it? Seems a little stupid if you ask me.
So I went out of my way to smoke where the kids were NOT. ALWAYS. If you buy cigarettes and hand them to a kid outside the store you can get your butt arrested, right? So why should you be allowed to do it with your own kids with second hand smoke?
I love my kids. I loved smoking. I never mixed the two. I don't anymore because of my kids and not wanting them to follow that habit.
Do I miss it? Yeah, sometimes, I really do. Do I know how bad it is? Heck yeah, doesn't change the fact I liked the help it was in stressful times.
But nothing that I do for me, should impact my children because they are forced to 'share' my habit choices. Good thing its not the same with drinking, eh? All our kids would be Minor Alchoholics if it floated around the air everytime we picked up a drink and they were forced to share that too.
Get my point?
So good for you and your friend that you don't have any issues...I however, have family and friends that do, and life changing ones at that.
You DO have the legal right to smoke, drink, have sex, like rock and roll. or WHATEVER, but don't light one up and give to the tiny folks.
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MommaToni
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| | 08/15/2007 4:40 PM |
Alert | | well said. | |
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kjgreifer
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| | 08/15/2007 7:55 PM |
Alert | | Very well said! I have a question for the smokers out there. If you smoke in a vehicle while your kids are with you, would a law against smoking in the car with kids present change your behavior? | | | |
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chrissie
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| | 08/27/2007 12:47 PM |
Alert | | bump. so we can use this one in place of the new one? | | | |
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robinlynn
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Alert | | Which smoking establishments are you speaking of? | | | |
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06woman
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| | 08/27/2007 1:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By robinlynn on 08/27/2007 1:20 PM
Which smoking establishments are you speaking of?
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caveman
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Alert | Posted By MommaToni on 08/15/2007 3:23 PM
There are worse things to worry about? Shouldn't your children be firSt priority.
Yes there are worse things to think about regarding children. Just look at all of the mothers that can not afford to have kids but they do. They live off of government programs only to have more and more kids.
I don't think you should be able to smoke indoors anywhere. A car is an enclosed "room" so that should be included too.
You need to stay out of other peoples business. I don't smoke but I if I wanted to smoke in my car who are you to say what I do? What if I don't like what you do in your house? Should I change the laws to impede you in your own home? Please stay out of other peoples lives. | | | |
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06woman
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| | 08/27/2007 6:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 08/27/2007 6:02 PM
You need to stay out of other peoples business. I don't smoke but I if I wanted to smoke in my car who are you to say what I do? What if I don't like what you do in your house? Should I change the laws to impede you in your own home? Please stay out of other peoples lives.
LOL! Maybe I don't like how often you scrub your toilet and isn't that a health hazard? Maybe you don't wash your hands after you use the restroom and then you touch your children. Maybe you cut your veggies on the same cutting board just after raw meat without washing it. That's running the risk of cross contaminating food and could actually kill your children from food borne illness. Should we install cameras in all of our homes so "Big Brother" can make sure that we are following all the laws? Maybe you don't close your toilet lid and flush the toilet and let all the germs spray into the bathroom and coat your children's toothbrushes. What if they fall off the swing and break their backs? | |
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