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TheShermanator
Posts:277
 | | 07/24/2007 9:02 PM |
 Alert | | I have struggled with fatigue for quite some time. I get enough sleep (@ 7 hours on weeknights and 8-9 hours with a nap on the weekends), and have run the gauntlet with the doctor. I recently had a physical, which indicated I'm fine- no adrenal issues or thyroid issues. I was seeing a natriopath awhile ago who put me on a no wheat diet and some supplements, but the supplements made me ill, and the no wheat diet didn't make that much of a difference. I'm tired of always wanting a nap. Has anyone else overcome this problem? The fatigue is starting to bring me down! | |
Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 07/24/2007 9:14 PM |
Alert | Well thyroid comes to mind -and that doesnt always show up on a blood test- something to do with the range being off- What are your other symptoms? Sore throat, body aches etc- cus if its just tiredness then the only thing I could think is to visit a sleep clinic and see if you have sleep apnea -and you just arent getting restful sleep due to the apnea. imo
oh and ddepending on your age it could be good ole hormonal issues! Fun!!!;D | | | |
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 07/25/2007 4:50 AM |
Alert | No other symptoms- I'm just TIRED. I'll sleep 7-9 hours at night, and sleep @ 5 hours during the day, if I could.
Did the sleep apnea thing too, sleep study said I'm fine.
Ugh hormones. What do I do for that?
Its not depression, either- that's been ruled out too. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
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Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | msrachacha
Posts:117
| | 07/25/2007 6:54 AM |
Alert | | I was in the same boat as you until I had my hormone levels checked in February. Sure enough - I've moved into another phase in the female life cycle - oh joy! So I started taking Pre-pro and what a difference!!!! I have my life back - I sleep, no more night sweats - life is good! | |
Adversity does not build character - it reveals it. | |
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| | TC.
Posts:0
| | 07/25/2007 7:40 AM |
Alert | First thing that came to my mind was thyroid. I have had a thyroid condition since I was 22 yrs old. My biggest complaint was that I was always cold. Even on the medicine....I still get cold easily.
Have you tried exercising? That will eventually give you more energy and you will feel better once you have been doing it. Try going to Trader Joes and getting a box of Emergen-C. Put these packets in a bottle of water and drink up. You will start feeling better too. We keep bottled water on the island in the kitchen. Just out of habit we always go by, grab one and drink it. I have noticed even the kids drink it more with it sitting out in open view. A girl I work with is always tired. I see her drink plenty of soda, etc.....but NEVER water.
Increase your water intake and see if this helps too. Good luck. It is awful being so tired. I know when I don't get my thyroid medicine filled on time and I go without it for a few days...I certainly pay the price.
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:973
| | 07/25/2007 8:44 AM |
Alert | Off in left field question...
Do you drink diet soda? If so, do a google search for aspartame toxicity and phenylalanine
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Back in 2001 I had serious fatigue, lack of mental accuity, forgetfullness and general all around it took everything I had to get out of bed each day. Did the gamut of tests with the MDs and nothing was found. I was the healthiest sick person around. And it was getting worse. I stumbled on a naturepath that came up with the answer. I quit drinking Diet Dr. Pepper that day cold turkey. And let me tell you - that is as bad as giving up any other addiction.
It took me almost 6 months to really feel myself again. I haven't had a diet soda since that date. And it's almost funny - I still crave it. I see the box in the store and practically salivate!
To all you diet soda drinkers - check it out for yourself. And just for grins and giggles - do a search for Nutrasweet and ant poison together. Yes kiddies - Monsanto originally developed aspartame as ant poison. After the fact they discovered the extreme sweetness and shifted the use from poison to food suppliment.
PS: I knew it wasn't a thyroid issue for me. I've been both hypothyroid since my early 20's and on meds, plus I had a hysterectomy at 35 and was on hormone replacement. Daily pills were already taking care of those hormones. | |
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|  | Trajanbear
Posts:91
| | 07/25/2007 8:58 AM |
Alert | I'm interested in hearing any solutions as well. I'm in the same boat. Run the gammut of all testing, etc. Still need sleep A LOT of sleep and when I don't get it I just can't function during the day.
I don't drink any soda and definitely no caffeine (which wouldn't make me tired I know). | |
The best present ever! A day at the Phoenix Zoo as a Zookeeper. Feeding the giraffs was one of the most exciting parts of the day. | |
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| | TheShermanator
Posts:277
| | 07/25/2007 7:34 PM |
Alert | Fritzydoodle -
Ugh- I loooooooove my caffeine free diet coke. Looooove it. That's a problem.
I HATE water. Hate it. I put a little Crystal Light in my big water mugs to get my 32 oz down, and the rest is caffeine free diet coke. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
But I'm sooooo tired.
I think I am going to try a new natriopathic physician. Has anyone had success with Dr. Wazny? | |
Formerly known as 'greytxracers'
"My greyhound is smarter than your honor student"
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:973
| | 07/25/2007 10:51 PM |
Alert |
OK All - I'll get on my soapbox for the moment. I went through this in 2001. My docs were testing me for a variety of diseases including multiple sclerosis, lupis, chronic fatigue etc because of the symptoms I suffered each day. It was all I could do to get out of bed each day, let alone function.
Diet soda is BAD for you for several reasons. Not only does the caffeine cause problems, but so does the carbonated water. Any carbonated beverage could cause water retention and increase blood pressure because of the sodium content. This goes for the sparkling waters too. Read the labels. Some are low sodium but not all.
Now for the biggie - the use of aspartame (Nutrasweet brand sweetner) and phenylalanine. Phenylalanine is an amino acid - one of many that you need in your diet to be healthy. It naturally occurs in protein - ie MEAT. Because your body thinks it is ingesting a protein - it makes you crave carbs to the exclusion of proteins. And not just any carbs - the bad carbs that cause weight gain and slow your metabolism. Bear in mind, you are not ingesting protein - you are drinking a diet soda. Or in some cases, a regular beverage that uses Nutrasweet for sweetner. Yes, that Chrystal Light uses Nutrasweet. So does most chewing gum and even many over the counter medicines. Take a daily dose of Metamucil - read the label - it contains aspartame!
Aspartame was developed by Monsanto as an ant poison. It was after the chemists found the sweetning characteristics that it was cross marketed as an artificial sweetner. But it is still poison! Aspartame remains in the human body, stored in the adipose (FAT) tissue. Because it is stored in your fat, it takes time to get it out of your system. Plus, the toxicity is accumulative. The more you consume, the more is stored in your system.
The one scary fact - aspartame products break down into various compounds when heated. I know, you're thinking "I don't boil my soda so this doesn't apply to me" And you are wrong. Think about this... soda is stored in an unrefrigerated warehouse, delivered to the grocery stores in unrefrigerated trucks. You buy it and put it in the trunk of your car to take it home. Then you refrigerate it. Take a few cans to work - where they get warm again... then back in the fridge... sit on your desk for a while... You get the point. There is a cycle of warm/cold/warm/cold.
This is an excerpt from the website www.sweetpoison.com
The structure of aspartame seems simple, but what a complicated structure aspartame really is. Two isolated amino acids in aspartame are fused together by its third component, deadly methanol. In this structure, methanol bonds the two amino acids together, but when released at a mere 86 degrees Fahrenheit, the methanol becomes a poisonous free radical.
Methanol breaks down into formic acid and formaldehyde, embalming fluid. Methanol is a dangerous neurotoxin, a known carcinogen, causes retinal damage in the eye, interferes with DNA replication, and causes birth defects.
Aspartic acid makes up forty percent of the structure of aspartame. Under excess conditions, the structure of aspartic acid can cause endocrine (hormone) disorders and vision problems. Aspartic acid is a neuroexicter, which means its structure affects the central nervous system. Hyperactivity is stimulated by aspartic acid, so this structure is not good for ADD/ADHD conditions and should be avoided during pregnancy.
Adverse reactions to aspartic acid are: headaches/migraines, nausea, abdominal pain, fatigue, sleep disorders, vision problems, anxiety attacks, depression, and asthma/chest tightness. The second isolated amino acid in aspartame's chemical structure is phenylalanine, fifty percent of aspartame's 3-D structure. Too much phenylalanine causes seizures, elevated blood plasma, is dangerous for pregnancy causing retardation, PMS caused by phenylalanine's blockage of serotonin, insomnia, and severe mood swings.
The person who came up with my toxicity was a naturepathic physician. She was also a microscopist. She would draw a finger prick sample of blood. We'd sit in her office with her in front of the microscope and me in front of a monitor and she would 'read' my blood. I went in very skeptical. So skeptical I didn't tell her my truthful medical history the first appointment. I flat out lied. And she was right on the money with what she was telling me about my health. Then she said something was puzzling her. She could see something weird in the blood plasma. A sugar like substance - but not sugar. THEN we started talking. It came out I drank at least a six pack or more each day of diet Dr. Pepper. That's when it clicked - the aspartame byproducts was what she was seeing. That was the day I quit consuming anything containing aspartame.
Do yourself a favor - do a google search: aspartame toxicity danger or aspartame phenylalanine. Spend some time reading. It could save your life. Literally. It took about 3 months for the mental fog to lift and about 6 months for the fatigue and other symptoms to receed. It's been since Sept 1, 2001. I still have some symptoms - the joint pains and arthritis symptoms. I say symptoms - the joint swelling and pain. But on xray - I don't have arthritis. But I am a 1000 percent better than I was.
Start with www.sweetpoison.com then www.aspartamekills.com
OK, I'll agree the sites are trying to sell you something but check out the cross information available. They may be a little radical - but methanol is still methanol and it will kill you.
read www.aspartame.net with an open mind - the company that runs the website manufactures aspartame!
I'm cross posting this on both the fatigue and diet soda threads. If you have any questions - ask away. But take the 60 day no-aspartame test. What do you have to lose?
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| | TC.
Posts:0
| | 07/25/2007 11:02 PM |
Alert | Wow!
That is scary stuff. I don't drink diet sodas, but I will sure pass this info onto my family and friends that do. I also heard that floride is poison too. This was on the radio this week and about freaked me out. I am trying to recall the radio station because I wanted to read more about what this guy was saying.
Thanks for your time on the post and getting this information out to others!!!! | | | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 07/25/2007 11:08 PM |
Alert | WOW Ok Whats My problem?... I dont drink any diet sodas as I HATE the after taste and dont use any artificial sweetner stuff or products!!!
Great info!! I too want to ck out Dr Wazny!!! | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:973
| | 07/25/2007 11:22 PM |
Alert | You don't have to drink diet soda to ingest aspartame. You'll be surprised what its in. About 90% of the sugar free sparkling waters, Kool-aid and Chrystal Light - aspartame. Fruit juice, puddings, jello... Chewing gum - about 75% use aspartame. Cough syrup, antacids, stool softners. The list goes on and on.
Check what's in your pantry and medicine cabinet. It's scary. Some manufacturers don't list Nutrasweet or aspartame as ingredients. There are other names.
BUT there is one listing required on all packaging that contains aspartame. The following phrase:
PHENYLKETONURICS: CONTAINS PHENYLALANINE
If you see this, usually fine print - aspartame is the sweetner used.
Remember when your babies were born - there was a sign on the layette - PKU Done. PKU is a disease that occurs in about 1 in 20,000 births. If not caught early, it causes mental retardation. It's a sensativity to phenylalanine. Hence the warning about the amino acid added as a food ingredient.
Search your house and post back what you find. | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 07/25/2007 11:36 PM |
Alert | | Will do- however off the top of my head the only thing I use is cough syrup (on occasion) and Antacid (tums about 1-2 a month. But NOW I have a project to do...I will let you know!! | | | |
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| | MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 07/26/2007 9:53 AM |
Alert | | Try the multi vitamin "Alive". It is a whole food vitamin packed with TONS of great stuff! It will also give you energy. | |
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| | MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/26/2007 12:05 PM |
Alert | There are a million things that could make you tired. Without asking you a very long line of questions about your lifestyle, eating, and sleeping habits it would be almost impossible to determine. I am also not a doctor.
Some possibilities ave already been mentioned. I would firstly get a FULL hormone panel done. As already mentioned there are old school and new school methods of thyroid testing. And many people have a condition called Euthyroid. It is a medical term for patients who have normal thyroid blood tests but have all the symptoms associated with hypothyroidism: fatigue, low metabolism, headache, etc. Euthyroid patients often have a problem with T4 converting into active T3, even though blood tests show normal levels. Individuals might take synthetic thyroid hormones (like Synthroid, which contains T4 only), but since the T4 is not converting efficiently, they continue the symptoms of low thyroid. Many of my patients complain of low thyroid symptoms. They relate that they, and sometimes their doctors, suspected a thyroid problem only to have their blood work return normal. Most physicians, in this case, won’t recommend thyroid replacement therapy. Many don’t know about (or they choose to ignore) well-documented studies that show that low body temperature is indicative of euthyroid hypothyroidism.
Blood tests are quite inaccurate at times. Blood tests for thyroid function measure the amount of TSH, T4, and T3 in the bloodstream. But thyroid hormones don’t operate within the bloodstream; the action takes place in the cells themselves. What good is a blood test that only shows what is racing around the bloodstream one second out of a day? It’s inadequate for measuring true thyroid hormone levels.
Try taking this home test:
Dr. Broda Barnes was the first to show that a low basal body temperature was associated with low thyroid. His first study was published in 1942 and appeared in JAMA. This study tracked 1,000 college students and showed that monitoring body temperature for thyroid function was a valid if not superior approach to other thyroid tests. The test for low thyroid function, according to Dr. Barnes’s protocol, starts first thing in the morning. While still in bed, shake down and place the thermometer (preferably mercury; digital thermometers are not as accurate) under your arm and leave it there for 10 minutes. Record your temperature in a daily log. Women who are still having menstrual cycles should take their temperature after the third day of their period. Post menopausal women can take their temperature on any day. A reading below the normal 97.2˚ strongly suggests hypothyroid. A reading above 97.6˚ may indicate hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid). Add one degree to axillary (under arm) temperatures. You can also use a digital thermometer if needed. I recommend you take your underarm temperature as described above and take your temperature under the tongue two hours after waking up in the morning. Don’t eat or drink anything ten minutes before taking your oral temperature.
Not to mention what is normal for one is not always normal for the next.
You also mentioned that your adrenals are fine. Have you had a cortisol test? They usually test for Addison's disease which cannot detect under active adrenals. The best testing for this is usually a 24 hour saliva cortisol test which will determine your levels throughout the day. Hormone levels fluctuate all day long. Saliva testing is usually the most accurate to test all hormone levels.
I am not a fan of synthetic estrogens or progesterones because of the possibilities of side effects. Finding a natural bioidentical hormone is generally best.
I have worked with Lori at http://www.mixturesrx.com and she is very knowledgeable. She may be able to help you with testing or find a doc that could help. Good luck! | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 07/26/2007 12:14 PM |
Alert | I get tired too..
I think I am tired because I am only getting 5-6 hours of sleep M-F and about 8 hours (including naps) on weekends...
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | msrachacha
Posts:117
| | 07/27/2007 8:14 AM |
Alert | | Allergies may be to blame also. Now that it's more humid, mold starts to grow. If molds are your "potential" triggers you may be suffering form allergies. | |
Adversity does not build character - it reveals it. | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1594
| | 07/27/2007 12:21 PM |
Alert | I Second gonig to talk to Lori Allen, RPh at Mixtures pharmacy. They are on 40th St, between Pecos and Chandler Blvd. M-F 9-4:30pm. She is an expert on Bio-identical hormones, adrenal fatigue, thyroid and nutrition. She will work hand and hand with you and your dr, or recommend a dr that will be willing to help (if yours isn't).
I have seen her change the lives of many since I've met her. People who's drs told them they were "medical mysterys" or that "it was all in their heads". Lori will help!
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| | MaricopaTrainer
Posts:124
| | 07/28/2007 10:41 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By YZRacer on 07/27/2007 12:21 PM
I Second gonig to talk to Lori Allen, RPh at Mixtures pharmacy. They are on 40th St, between Pecos and Chandler Blvd. M-F 9-4:30pm. She is an expert on Bio-identical hormones, adrenal fatigue, thyroid and nutrition. She will work hand and hand with you and your dr, or recommend a dr that will be willing to help (if yours isn't).
I have seen her change the lives of many since I've met her. People who's drs told them they were "medical mysterys" or that "it was all in their heads". Lori will help!
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It is such a small world! Big bump for Lori and mixtures! | | | |
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| | thudsaz
Posts:129
| | 07/29/2007 6:01 AM |
Alert | Here's my story: I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia (among other things) almost 3 years ago. I tried all kinds of traditional western medicine approaches, but basically, I was told that I would just have to live with it for the rest of my life. I couldn't work (hadn't worked since Feb., 2004); I was too incapacitated. I had to go on disability. I got to the point where I was so frustrated at my inability to live life like a normal person (I frequently had to use a wheelchair) that I decided to end my life if I couldn't find a way to get better.
Then I found Dr. Wazny. I started seeing him last October. I have come so far that I am now ready to go back to work full-time. (I started working part-time in January of this year after only 3 months of being under his care.) He started me on a blood type diet (the name of the book is Eat Right 4 Your Type by Dr. Peter D'Adamo), as well as many natural supplements. I am off all my prescription medications except one, which is highly addictive and very difficult to stop. However, I am slowly weaning myself off that one. In addition, he told me to start water-walking for the fibromyalgia and gave me a stretching routine to do.
Dr. Wazny literally saved my life, and I will be forever grateful to him. But I did my part, too. I do everything that he tells me to do, and I follow my diet and take my meds religiously.
Dr. Wazny makes himself very available to his patients. We are in constant email contact, and he gave me his cell phone # and told me I could call him anytime. How many doctors are willing to do that? And he makes house calls! | |
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