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Bionicbunny
Posts:644
 | | 09/02/2007 8:23 AM |
 Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By carouselncopa on 09/01/2007 10:30 PM
"It must not be against the law to hold school without a working fire alarm because last year there were posts about how the high school does not and has not had a working system in years and was part of some fire review that had been done."
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My goodness, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. No working fire alarm at the high school for years!?!
I'll tell you, I wouldn't let my children anywhere near a Maricopa school. I have never heard stories of stupidity and incompetence in a school district like I have here. Safety should be right up there at the top of the list of priorities and to go years not having a functioning alarm system is inexcusable! Shame on the administration!
Parents: Doesn't this concern you?! | | | |
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| | "JustJodi"
Posts:620
| | 09/02/2007 8:56 AM |
Alert | | EVERY DISTRICT has issues. I mean seriously. Do you not recall having issues with anything in school growing yp! I remember in CA. having asbestos issues, mouse issues, fire alarm issues. EVERYWHERE has it's screwed up issues, they don't have a PUBLIC FORUM to air them!!!! This has become the BIGGEST gripe and gossip mill EVER!!! | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/02/2007 9:07 AM |
Alert | | Jodi...I concur. Problems are at all districts...message boards are not. Good post! | | | |
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| | hobson77
Posts:0
| | 09/02/2007 9:19 AM |
Alert | | Public Forums no, but the NEWS yes. How many schools have made the PULIC NEWS at least twice in the past year for major problems? I know that the Maricopa schools have. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:644
| | 09/02/2007 9:21 AM |
Alert | | Yes, I remember having minor issues with the school when my kids were young but never the magnitude of this district. It seems to be incredibly mismanaged and is doing a HUGE disservice to it's students and parents. I can't tell you that there is not a district out there that is worse because I don't know that to be a fact, but I can tell you that this is NOT normal! Normal would be a school in need of more copy paper or old desks that need to be replaced or chalk boards that should be switched to white boards or a grumpy old teacher that is strict with the kids. The complacency here is astounding! | | | |
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| | Chuck
Posts:62
| | 09/02/2007 12:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By hobson77 on 09/02/2007 9:19 AM
"Public Forums no, but the NEWS yes. How many schools have made the PULIC NEWS at least twice in the past year for major problems? I know that the Maricopa schools have."
And let's not forget MFD, MPD, PCSO, ADOT and every other gov't agency that is not nearly as good as the place you left. Maricopa USED to be like Mayberry where school staff knew the families and there were quaint little places to eat and drink. Riding a bicycle through town wasn't dangerous and traffic was little inconvenienced by a RR Xing. What a difference a few years has made, much to the annoyance of those who have been in the area for a while.
You're right, MUSD has problems and they will probably get worse while the people grapple with ways to improve it. But how does this constant harping about the badness make anything better? Believe me there is more good done here for thE students than anyone on this forum would dare admit. "MUSD is this, MUSD isn't that, I wouldn't send my kids there...wah, wah, wah". Guess what? The entire American education system is deficient and post~secondary education is a virtual fraud. You want to really educate your kids? Do it overseas where school is in session 210 days a year and has a way of nurturing that is seldom seen in American society {it's all about my kid}.
WHAT A PITIFUL BUNCH OF LOSING WHINERS!!!! | | | |
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|  | hobson77
Posts:0
| | 09/03/2007 7:27 AM |
Alert | | Get over your bad self CHUCK! This part of the forum is where parents can unit and express there opinions about our education system. It's not saying anywhere that we are not going to try to fix the problems. Maricopa wanted this growth, or else it wouldn't have happened. And the officials’ are getting paid plenty to expand with that growth, as fast as it may be! They have our tax money and the resources, but seem to be pocketing the money instead of making the system better. Have you noticed that the main changes they made this year did not require the use of more money on there behalf (dress code, ect). My child is changing her clothes for P.E. in a storage room at the Middle School, the bus drivers can't get on schedule for anything, the food in the elementary schools is complete crap (and scary), and the list of incompetence goes on and on with worse things that have already been listed in the forums before. It appears that you are the only one that is Whining here, we as parents are hoping to make some worthwhile changes in the City and schools that our tax money goes to... and not have to ship our kids elsewhere for an adequate education. | | | |
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| | momof2boys
Posts:75
| | 09/03/2007 9:15 AM |
Alert | hobson,
There is nothing wrong with expressing constructive criticism, but saying that the school serves green hotdogs (a bit of an exaggeration) and coming down on the parents that do support the school is counter productive. Are there problems in MUSD? Yes. But I have seen schools in both the Mesa district, and the kyrene district, and there were problems there also.
I spend a lot of time in the school my children go to, and I see a lot of good things. But unfortunately, nobody wants to here about it. Anytime someone says something positive about the schools here, someone without fail will chime in and try to trump it with something negative.
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| | hobson77
Posts:0
| | 09/03/2007 10:03 AM |
Alert | | I have put many kids through different school systems and have never seen the problems that I have seem hear in MUSD. I have seen the hotdogs and dare you to eat them. Also, I simply asked why they are defending the district, it is the worst one that I personally have ever seen. If they have had a good experience they can state it, but don't defend it without stating why. Most of them seem to be parents with very young children that have not had the chance to have seen other districts and the differences. | | | |
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| | momof2boys
Posts:75
| | 09/03/2007 10:34 AM |
Alert | I've eaten the schools food numerous times when I go visit my kids during their lunch time. While I will admit that it isn't gourmet food by any means, it's edible. I've never seen anything that would suggest that the food isn't safe to eat.
The thing is, the positive comments can barely be heard, because they always are always followed up by comments of negativity towards the district. My kids do very good here, and I have seen growth in learning from both of them. The teachers that we have encountered all seem to have the children's best interest at heart.
Hobson, you have children here at MUSD and you obviously have a severe dislike of the district. Have you ever expressed your concerns somewhere other than an open forum. You don't like the food, have you ever called the food service director? It's okay to have criticisms, but when you voice them over an open forum, it doesn't really accomplish anything. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/03/2007 10:47 AM |
Alert | Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 10:03 AM
I simply asked why they are defending the district, it is the worst one that I personally have ever seen. If they have had a good experience they can state it, but don't defend it without stating why. Most of them seem to be parents with very young children that have not had the chance to have seen other districts and the differences.
Don't make assumptions.
It's apparent you have had a bad experience...or maybe a few. You are not the majority.
My child is not "younger". She is in middle school. This is our second year here and we have had no major personal problems, whatsoever. I do, however, have some concerns that don't effect us directly, but rather the district as a whole.
This is also the third school district my daughter has attended since Kindergarten, although the other two were in another state. We have a bit of experience outside the real of Mari-Mayberry-Copa. The first one she attended, which happened to be my alma mater and dearly cherished, was way more of a mess than MUSD. It had deteriorated so badly in the 16 years from my graduation to my daughter's start in Kindergarten. I fought every step of the way for 3 school years and saw no change. The change was up to me. I home-schooled her until I could place her into an acceptable district.
Likewise, the change is up to you. If you think the food is unacceptable, call the health department. If it passes inspection, you have to accept that your standard for what a quality hotdog (what an oxymoron that is) should look like, is too high and have your children pack their lunch.
If you think the fire alarm was broken for weeks, months, years even...and the school knew, yet did nothing, report it to the Department of Education. Be prepared. Hearsay does not fly with them. You'll need proof. If the alarm was just a one time glitch that couldn't possibly have been predicted, you must accept that vicissitude occurs and as mere mortals, we are never going to be immune.
On that same subject, if you think the decibels emitted from the alarm has perhaps caused some irreversible hearing damage to your child, contact OSHA. I think that's their department.
You have a right to your opinion. How you state it, however, it subject to critique since you choose to make it publicly available on this forum. Those who don't agree with either your opinion or your methods are equally armed with the same right to free speech.
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| | Chuck
Posts:62
| | 09/03/2007 1:25 PM |
Alert | Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 7:27 AM
"It's not saying anywhere that we are not going to try to fix the problems."
I'll agree with you there!
Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 7:27 AM
"Maricopa wanted this growth, or else it wouldn't have happened."
All of them?
Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 7:27 AM
"They have our tax money and the resources, but seem to be pocketing the money instead of making the system better."
Irrefutably proven where?
Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 7:27 AM
"...and the list of incompetence goes on and on with worse things that have already been listed in the forums before."
Just because they are listed doesn't make them true!!!
Posted By hobson77 on 09/03/2007 7:27 AM
"...we as parents are hoping to make some worthwhile changes in the City and schools that our tax money goes to... and not have to ship our kids elsewhere for an adequate education."
On THIS I couldn't agree with you more but I feel some of the comments are more complaints without any truly substantial recommendations which then sounds more like ranting. How do you make the cafeteria better? Offer positive support to the people trying to feed the kids. They may be more frustrated than you about what and how they have to serve the kids. Thank everyone, even if you have to bite your tongue to do so; that way you have a better chance of having a constructive conversation. You can always disagree but at least you'll be doing so in a respectable way.
Early on, when I worked for a very small, deep desert school district one of my chores was to update the marquee. During my last week there I posted a quote {of my choice} by Abe Lincoln: "The best way to destroy your enmy is to make him your friend." | | | |
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| | red
Posts:3
| | 09/03/2007 1:49 PM |
Alert | | It may be that you haven't heard of all these other problems at the disticts you came from because there is not a forum like this where you can immediately post a gripe about any and all problems (big and small). When I was a kid and there was a problem parents would talk with one another and that was as far as it went. | | | |
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| | lazydoubleA
Posts:133
| | 09/03/2007 6:42 PM |
Alert | | The reason that this site has to have both sides to the story posted is that if new people read this site, they would only read the negative parts of MUSD. If I had read these posts in 2002, I would have never moved here. I have and I am trying to help the situation by volunteering and not complaining. Is MUSD perfect, hell no. Is most of the negativity correct...no way. I like this community and I am supporting it. I too could slam every problem in the district, but choose to try to help, not hinder things. | | | |
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| | carouselncopa
Posts:133
| | 09/03/2007 8:43 PM |
Alert | Desert Newbie and Chuck and several others above,
I think each of you has offered some constructive advice. There are problems everywhere, however I am disturbed when our officials, board, superintendent, etc are aware of them and are not held accountable. I am not sitting about whining, and simply posting on the forum, I am actively making reports as suggested above, attending meetings in the district, and WILL be present on voting day to remove the dead weight on our school board. I wish and hope that every citizen in Maricopa will also stand up on voting day and make their voices heard. We are seeing the same concerns being made about city and now the truth is coming out there. I wish that there was more media involvement throughout the city on the corruption at the schools, but to date the majority have remained silent with the exception of the Maricopa Connection. Time for some truth to come out by our other media personnel, and most hopefully 85239.
Given that the media all have the information that was provided over the course of the summer to the board, I am amazed that their silence remains.
Jessica Calliope | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/04/2007 6:31 AM |
Alert | Jessica,
I can't wait to meet you and talk you into running for an open spot on the BOE. :-) | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 09/04/2007 8:02 AM |
Alert | | My daughter didn't even mention it, so this is the first i've heard of the fire alarm incident. apparently, it didn't bother her enough to mention it. perhaps some students/teachers were able to just get over it and keep to the task at hand? obviously, the school didn't burn down, and nobody was injured or killed. lets move on. things break, they fix them, life goes on. | |
If you can't spot the loser, it might be you
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| | thiskiss
Posts:334
| | 09/04/2007 5:46 PM |
Alert | The kids just need to get used to the whole fire alarm thing seriously! No matter what school they attend they are going to have fire drills. Schools are required by law to have them atleast once a month. I certainly know that I would want my child out in the heat while they were fixing the fire alarm instead of the buring building, and none of them even knew there was a fire because they some how turned them off or whatever because they didn't want to hurt you child's sensitive ears. Its a part of the school system and that is one thing that isn't going to change. Just wait until they get to middle school and high school and they have bomb threats or annoying younger kids who think its fun to set stuff on fire in the restrooms or pull the fire alarms. Not to mention I remember my freshman year of high school we had a bomb threat. We were outside all morning long on the football feild running around with out friends in Sept. And another time when we were all with our classes in the parking lot for atleast an hour and a half for a fire drill.
Everybody that sends their children to school aren't going to come and pick them up from school just because there is a fire drill. What do you expect your children to do if there really was a fire in the school? They would be totally clueless because you have sheltered them so much that they can't even practice fire drills at school. Fire drills and alarms are part of any school no matter where you go, you need to get over it and just accept it. | | | |
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