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| | Author | Messages | |
thatperson
Posts:60
 | | 10/08/2007 10:49 PM |
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Horses need to be cared for. Children need to be educated
We both live to fight another day.
good night and good luck | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/09/2007 7:29 AM |
Alert | Wow...just wow.
You both have excellent points, bet's get back to the original.
When the teacher learned of the thread here, regarding her poorly-written note to this parent, what reason did she give for the errors? Did she say she was having a bad day, too hurried or "what errors?"
For the record, before the other two threads got zapped, I stated that comparing a member of the lay public to a teacher really isn't fair. Most "chatters" on this forum didn't choose a career that entails molding and shaping young minds. Their poor grammar and spelling errors are equally annoying, but don't affect anyone else like a teacher's mistakes could. Only the poster looks ignorant, but a classroom full of kids isn’t potentially involved.
Likewise, comparing a "chat board" post to a written communication regarding a child's education is pretty much comparing apples to Buick's. Here, it is commonly accepted to type things like, "r u 4 real?" That should never happen in a note from a teacher. With that, I'm sure you'll agree.
So, let's keep race, past arguments, by what manner it was handled and any other extraneous issues out of it so we can find out...what does the teacher have to say about the note she wrote, which started this hailstorm? Can she, or any other teacher for that matter, at least see how that could cause a parent great cause for concern and question her ability to be teaching that subject?
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:513
| | 10/09/2007 8:44 AM |
Alert | thatperson,
Standing up for your friend is very noble, but the way you are going about it is extremely immature. It is hardening in stone the way many people are feeling toward the teachers and administration in our district already. I'm sure the last thing you want to do is to be a part of that. | | | |
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| | leefamily
Posts:0
| | 10/09/2007 10:03 AM |
Alert | Oh you two knock it off! Why don't you PM eachother and have it out?? That way you can throw some colorful four letter words at one another and really get down and nasty to eachother.
Ok, NO ONE is perfect and I have to say that YES AN ENGLISH TEACHER needs to always, always, always, always, have great grammar, punctuation, spelling and whatever else. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, ALWAYS.
Why would you sit here and repost all the instances with mispelled words, improper grammar, etc., let's face it - I am an English freak, as a matter of fact I own every MLA handbook there is, but I very rarely care abt my punctuation and grammar when on the forum. And I doubt anyone else does.
It is your job Horses to point out when a teacher does wrong because we send our children to school to learn from professionals who hopefully know more than we do. KUDOS TO YOU!
thatperson - I understand why you want to defend your coworker and friend, but I think it's time you admit she was wrong and give up your argument. | | | |
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/09/2007 10:13 AM |
Alert | leefamily HAS SPOKEN
conversation OVER!
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/11/2007 4:58 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Clap clap clap clap(my applause)
Congrats on being a "GREAT" parent and teaching your child that if he doesn't like a person in authority and complains to mommy, that mommy will rescue him and get him out of a tough situation. Also congrats to you for undermining the position of that teacher when it comes to discipline in the classroom. Now every kid in this teacher's class now knows that if they don't like it they can have mommy get them out of it. That should do wonders for my fellow teacher's classroom management. The right thing to do was to go about this privately and let the school take care of it in house. So yes you did attack this teacher and yes you did hurt this persons feelings deeply, because I saw the hurt in her face when we talked about your cheap shot on this VERY PUBLIC forum. What makes you so qualified to judge who belongs in what department at school? Do you have a degree in anything? Have you ever worked in the public school system? You now have also brought the better judgment of Mrs. Sharp into question because she hired this teacher for her current position. Which could now result in other parents questioning her ability as an administrator. So I applaud you for being such an upstanding and supportive member of the school community. (sarcasm is dripping from the page) So next time when you are thinking of making such an effort to help your son learn such important life lessons try to think of all the people you will assassinate in the process.
Clap Clap Clap (my applause)
P.S. If you took time to read my original post you would see that I was scolding a different parent for a phone call to a different teacher. </div>
This is my deal with my children. I want them to have personal repsonsibilty and accountability. If the teacher gives them discipline, I will back the teacher 100%. I feel this is what is wrong with the youth today. They have parents that will rescue them when they do wrong. How is the child going to grasp the real world, if parents rescue them? My child complains about his teacher, I tell my son that he has to suck it up. She is the teacher, you need to listen to her. Yes my son can be difficult. I am not going to make excuses for him. He does not go to MUSD. When I told my sons sixth grade teacher, "if she needs to lay more discipline on him, go right ahead." She sounded shocked. She thanked me for the support. Teachers are danged if they do and danged it they don't. I have respect for teachers, I could never do the job. Rescuing a child from a teacher or discipline is not teaching them anything. | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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|  | Bionicbunny
Posts:513
| | 10/11/2007 6:50 PM |
Alert | It didn't sound to me like she was saving him from discipline, she was doing her job as a parent and making sure her child was and is being properly educated. She owes him that. That is the real world, people taking responsibility for their children; not letting him sit in a class and be taught poor grammar from a teacher who can't even speak proper english.
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 10/11/2007 6:55 PM |
Alert | | Does anyone here think that a teacher sending a letter home to a students parents shouldnt take the time to make sure the note is legible, and edited correctly? I wouldnt think so. You are definately right to complain, but I think we are all seeing through this argument. The real point is that you didnt like getting a letter telling you how to handle something with your children. It could have been edited by the head of English at Harvard. How bout this, write a letter to your teacher, then wait for it to show up on a public post somewhere, and lets see the fit you throw about it. How dare some teacher put my personal note to them online !@#$@%. I can imagine. It might have been better to deal with the school administration directly, instead of trying to publicly lampoon them. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/11/2007 7:27 PM |
Alert | This is his first behavior issue in his school career. It began with my son questioning why his teacher could correct him, when she was making errors in her grammar. From that point on, my son felt ostracised by this teacher and he became obstinate when she began to blame him for things going on in the classroom.
This is where my post came from. Yes, teachers should read and write proper English. Students however, should not question a teacher on a personal basis such as the student did. | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:60
| | 10/11/2007 7:56 PM |
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marni & cbjlovenest
Thank you Thank you
Somebody finally gets it!
Now I can shut up about it. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/11/2007 8:02 PM |
Alert | | Actually, I teach my daughter if she sees something wrong, speak the heck up! Of course, I expect her to do it respectfully, and there is no indication here that this kid didn't correct his English teacher respectfully. That isn't the issue from where I stand. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/11/2007 9:12 PM |
Alert | Thank you Thank you
You are welcome  | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/11/2007 9:19 PM |
Alert | Actually, I teach my daughter if she sees something wrong, speak the heck up! Of course, I expect her to do it respectfully, and there is no indication here that this kid didn't correct his English teacher respectfully. That isn't the issue from where I stand.
Yes it does need to be done respectfully. There are situations when a student needs to speak up. Situations like safety, sexual abuse and the like, yes speak up please | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | Digger
Posts:63
| | 10/11/2007 9:48 PM |
Alert | I believe the Teachers are representatives of the District in which they are employed. As rare as this event is they should still consider that when speaking with parents. Adults defending their children isn't wrong most of the time and shouldn't be condemed. Everyone can play monday morning quaterback, so unless you were actually there and witnessed the entire conversation from everyones perspective then everything is speculation. Maybe this teacher is being sensitive, maybe the child asked a question like alot of kids do? It seems to me that small mistakes were made by everyone.
This isn't (IMO) a life altering event. There are lessons to be learned by everyone! | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:513
| | 10/12/2007 8:40 AM |
Alert | "There are situations when a student needs to speak up. Situations like safety, sexual abuse and the like, yes speak up please "
So Marni, are you saying that the student and parent shouldn't speak up and question a teacher who appears to be incompetent? Quite a bit can be learned over a school year bad habits included. I would rather not sacrifice my childs entire academic year so this teacher doesn't get his/her feelings hurt or "feel" disrespected. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:513
| | 10/12/2007 8:50 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Digger on 10/11/2007 9:48 PM
This isn't (IMO) a life altering event. </div>
Ahh, but it could and possibly should be. This teacher SHOULD be reevaluated by the district. If found to be incapable of speaking and writing properly she should be terminated. It would be a shame to have a classroom full of students use an entire year to form bad habits and learn poor grammar. Thats a lot for next years teacher to undo and it's unfair to those kids! | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:397
| | 10/12/2007 4:37 PM |
Alert | So Marni, are you saying that the student and parent shouldn't speak up and question a teacher who appears to be incompetent? Quite a bit can be learned over a school year bad habits included. I would rather not sacrifice my childs entire academic year so this teacher doesn't get his/her feelings hurt or "feel" disrespected.
In a nutshell, no, I do not think a child should question a teacher on the grounds that the child did. How did the child discuss this with his teacher? Was it during classtime? Were there other students around to hear the child questioning his teacher?
Let me pose a question to you. You are a supervisor, you have an employee. That employee is correcting you, publicy. What are your feelings on that? Depending on your supervisor that could be grounds for insubordination. | |
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/12/2007 8:06 PM |
Alert | I have had very little luck communication directly with the school. That is why is came to the forum with my issue, as well as to alert other parents to a lacking in the English department. Proper spoken and written English is what I expect my children's language teacher to speak and write, regardless whether it be in speaking to me directly, over the phone or a note written home.
I am no teacher, but I can read and write enough to communicate with people. When in a business situation, I use proper English, no slang/profanity, etc. I try to write so as to be understood. No abbreviations, I try to use spell check and I know my punctuation and sentence structure is lacking. But again, I am not a teacher. I am sorry if my expectations are too great for the MUSD to handle.
I have always taught my kids to ask questions. There is no such thing as a stupid question. If you don't ask, you will never know. I am not unhappy about my child questioning this teacher, I am not unhappy she wrote to me regarding his behavior. He is being punished for his misbehavior in this class. I am simply unhappy with the incorrectness (if that is even a word) of the note home. End of story, no reading between the lines. This is a really simple issue, but everyone wants there to be more. I believe English is like Math...it is either right or it is wrong. There is no gray area. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/12/2007 8:33 PM |
Alert | | Ouch...you might want to proofread that and try out the handy-dandy edit feature. :-) | | | |
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/12/2007 9:40 PM |
Alert | | DesertNewbie, if you are talking to me. My apologies. I injured my back and am taking Soma. I couldn't tell you if what I wrote is close to right or not. I asked spell check. I guess I will check back in couple of days when my head is clear. | | | |
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