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Digger
Posts:63
 | | 09/20/2007 10:14 PM |
 Alert | Could it be that one of the posters on this thread has a relationship with one of the coaches?
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| | joyintheroses
Posts:89
| | 09/20/2007 10:27 PM |
Alert | Dig,
I can only speak for myself and while I do not, I do know and appreciate the hard work they do way beyond the modest stipends they are supposed to receive. Why would a relationship make any difference in an issue of compensation...seems like a mute point. | | | |
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| | carouselncopa
Posts:133
| | 09/20/2007 11:04 PM |
Alert | Sounds vaguely reminiscent of the after school people that did not get paid until well into the year. So Phantomlover, if you are aware of why they haven't been paid what is the big secret? You clearly, by your admission, work for the school district, enlighten us. What would be the reason behind another group not being paid?
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/21/2007 6:44 AM |
Alert | Just keeping it real, guys...that's what I do...no matter which side. I agree with most of this thread, however.....
Coaches, at the middle school level, do not invest 30 extra hours per week. I don't like it when "the other side" exaggerates, so let's not stoop to that.
Practices and/or games are Mon-Thurs only. Kids get out of school at approximately 3:30 and are usually picked up by 5:30...late bus kids leave at 5:00 If there is an event, especially an away game, it could go as late as 6:30 or 7:00, but that's only one night per week. In total, it's no more than 10-15 hours per week.
High school is probably more time involved, but that's not what we're discussing in this thread.
Having said that, the middle school coaches indeed should be paid and for them to not be is unacceptable. | | | |
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| | Pepperdog
Posts:233
| | 09/21/2007 10:19 PM |
Alert | Phantomlover,
You cannot link any "forum" attacks on teachers, food service workers, etc. to Phantom, Carousel, Joy or myself. We often express our admiration for the awesome job our teachers and school staffers do. We resent that you and other district employees and sympathizers try to spin the issues we bring up as attacks on such people. The funny thing is, the teachers and staff know our positive feelings towards them and our efforts to assisst them to do their jobs. That one of the main ways we get our information.
I would like you to point out one such attack on a teacher or school staffer by any of us four. I do not think you can. If you are not able to or refuse to produce such evidence then you will continue to have zero credibility.
Regarding your lamenting on how this forum is tearing apart this district I would suggest to you that if what you say is true it is because of the responses of those people in the district offices and sympathizers of this administration. When we raise an issue it is often met with a personal attack against one of us for bringing it up rather than an honest exchange on what the problem is and how it can be solved. People see this clearly and get the message: If you mention a problem you will be attacked. THAT stiffles the district more than anything.
We are adults, we expect problems. It is how they are handled that is the issue and you should look to yourself and your co workers responses for insight into the true problems. This forum could be a fantastic tool for identifying and solving problems in the district. Too bad that the district does not choose to use it as such. Too bad that the district doesn't look at an issue being rasied as avenue for growth and success. Rather our district chooses to ignore and/or abuse those who are honestly trying to make it better.
You see, it first has to start with the realization by this district administration and staff that they are public employees and their work will be and should watched by said public. That is a good thing for it creates pressure to excel. I know it is far easier to never be questioned, to not have mistakes made public, to basically operate in a vacuum, but that does not make it better, that leads to complacency and incompetence. It is far better for our school district (and other public officials) to be watched closely, to know that poor performance will not be tolerated, that mistakes will be corrected honestly and forthwith. If you had THAT perspectvie with regards to your district job and this forum you would have everyone behind you and we would make terrific improvements. Instead, you and this district admin prefer to act and attack as you do. Go figure.
I would suggest to you in the future that when an issue is raised, be honest about it, if it is a mistake than admit it and respond with how it it being corrected. Thank the person for bringing it up and by resolution making the district better. By all means refrain from the personal atacks, it only shows that as a district employee you have little respect for the people and parents you serve.
If you turn this forum into a positive tool then those who persist in what you call "tearing down the district" will be powerless. Right now, the way this district responds to issues only makes it look arrogant and incompetent, creating the implosion that is occuring.
We really do want this district to improve and we can only do so by getting the issues identified, addressed and resolved. The burden is on you to make it happen, it is your job.
Thank you,
Pepperdog. | |
Anyone who advocates a "one" world government, a "one" social order, or a "one" enviroment is a communist trying to take away your freedoms. Nature celebrates diversity! | |
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| | phantomlover
Posts:27
| | 09/21/2007 10:23 PM |
Alert | If I was in payroll, I would be quick to answer. If these "unpaid" employees have not called to the district to find out, then they should. Don't you think. I can say, "I heard...." or, "Someone told me a few other people did...." and misinformation could spread like the smoke of a tire fire. You guys know how that works. Right? If people have issues with a certain situation, they should find answers. Not play the blame game and the rumor tree. I'm not saying it's not happening, I just don't know the full story. But I'm sure if it is happening, then the coaches should be getting the problem solved and straightened up with payroll.
Hmm I noticed that Joyintheroses and Carouselncopa have a thread removed. I don't think it was about the content. It was because of the personal attack while using their name again. If you read the forum rules, it is pretty clear. You are lucky they have not pulled the plug on this one yet as you started it on a personal attack again. Maybe some day you will learn.
As for me. I will sign off for now after this. I hope some of the many school employees can walk a little taller with me. I know why they don't try to fight back. It's sometimes like talking to a brick wall. Those who want to tear us down just don't get it. It's not about mistakes of the past, its about the promise of the future and the children of this growing city. Maricopa is the true American Melting Pot with families moving in from everywhere. Work together to improve, or drive forwad while looking back constantly. It does not work in a car either. Learn from mistakes and move forward. Write letters, make phone calls for improvements. Volunteer ANYWHERE if you can. Get to know your neighbors and your teachers. Watch each others children for all our safety. Forums aren't bad places, you just have to be careful of some of the not so nice folks lurking around.
Peace to all. | | | |
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|  | Digger
Posts:63
| | 09/21/2007 10:31 PM |
Alert | | I finally had a chance to check out the Phantoms blog, very interesting documentation straight from the district heads...Sounds like he has something big coming, you should check out the documents. | | | |
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| | resofcopa
Posts:42
| | 09/22/2007 6:27 AM |
Alert | I talked to one of the coaches at the the high school and they confirmed that the coaches have not been paid at all as of yet. I asked a bunch of questions but they were not answered with much information. My friend was trying to be a company man.
I can not believe that any level administartor would allow this to occur. These are the reasons Maricopa has such turnover.
As for the comment about 30 hours being an out of line comment I thought I would elaborate as to what we did as a football staff when I was coaching football.
Monday - Thursday
Practice: 10 hours
Friday Games:
- Pregame: 3 hours (chalk talk/taping/warm-up etc...)
- Game: 2.5 Hours
- Video: 2 Hours
Saturday:
- Practice: 1 hour
- Video review - 1.5 hours
- Opposing film breakdown: 4 hours
- Next weeks game plan: 3 hours
That is a pretty average week for what most programs will do which is about 26 hours extra and that is without the travel time for an away game.
It is absurd that any coach of any sport would be asked to do their job without being paid. If teh superintendant allowed this to happen then every parent in this town should be going to the board to say how terrible this is. If the school board thinks this is acceptable then they all need to be recalled.
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/22/2007 6:33 AM |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/22/2007 6:35 AM |
Alert | Resofcopa...yes, that's High School. I misread the post and thought we were only discussing Middle School coaches. They don't spend any time on weekends or video watching, so the vested time is much lower. I believe I said in my post that high school is probably more.
I see now that Joy said high school coaches aren't being paid either. What a shame. We have great athletes in Maricopa and it's hard enough for them to receive genuine scholarship offers with the lack of media attention our sports programs get, but to deal with nobody wanting to coach because they won't get paid will surely kill our growing programs.
PS: I didn't say your comment was "out of line"... I just said let's not exaggerate things like Team Flores does (but again, thought we were only talking about MWMS). | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 09/22/2007 6:49 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By phantomlover on 09/21/2007 10:23 PM
Hmm I noticed that Joyintheroses and Carouselncopa have a thread removed. I don't think it was about the content. It was because of the personal attack while using their name again. If you read the forum rules, it is pretty clear. You are lucky they have not pulled the plug on this one yet as you started it on a personal attack again. Maybe some day you will learn.
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Hold up...hold up.
The person in question has chosen a career in the public eye. The rules of engagement are much different.
EXAMPLE:
If the Mayor screws up, people will be well within their rights to say, "Kelly Anderson messed up."
We have had threads that mention the names of council members, firefighters, board members...why not the Editor of the newspaper with the highest readership in the city? She chose that career. She has to welcome critique via "Letters To The Editor", so why not here?
She also chose to place herself on a recall team and actively gather signatures. Does she have kids in this school system? No...so why make the political stance and then claim rights to privacy?
If she doesn't want her actions called to question, then perhaps she should take some classes on remaining neutral as an Editor should.
I saw her making the bed and I would very much like to see her lying in it for a change. | | | |
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| | joyintheroses
Posts:89
| | 09/22/2007 3:09 PM |
Alert | for those of you asking me about Phantom's blog , here is the address again - good stuff
http://phantombari78.blogspot.com/ | | | |
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| | Pepperdog
Posts:233
| | 09/27/2007 11:44 PM |
Alert | | Phantomlover,
You cannot link any "forum" attacks on teachers, food service workers, etc. to Phantom, Carousel, Joy or myself. We often express our admiration for the awesome job our teachers and school staffers do. We resent that you and other district employees and sympathizers try to spin the issues we bring up as attacks on such people. The funny thing is, the teachers and staff know our positive feelings towards them and our efforts to assisst them to do their jobs. That one of the main ways we get our information.
I would like you to point out one such attack on a teacher or school staffer by any of us four. I do not think you can. If you are not able to or refuse to produce such evidence then you will continue to have zero credibility.
Well it's been several days now and not one proof of the allegations made by phantomlover. Why am I not surprised? Go figure. Just more spin and evasion by the district. | |
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| | azreplant
Posts:223
| | 09/28/2007 9:17 AM |
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