hobson77
Posts:178
 | | 08/31/2007 9:02 PM |
 Alert | | What's up with the fire alarm at Pima Butte going off for hours today. I guess the teachers were not able to teach because the students couldn't hear over the extremely loud noise. I am really upset that parents were not contacted and given the choice to pick up there children from school. Is anyone else bothered by this? | |
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"JustJodi"
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| | 08/31/2007 9:06 PM |
Alert | | No, my kindergartner was fine. They had to wait outside for a bit and that was hot but that was all she said. I am sure they did not realize it would last that long so why would they call the parent's? The teacher said it went off once and then again for a bit! I just don't see it as that big of a deal unless they knew it was going to go off for awhile! | |
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hobson77
Posts:178
| | 08/31/2007 9:09 PM |
Alert | | They knew that it was broken and after the first hour, they should have realized that the kids should not have to sit in the classrooms and listen to it. The teacher told you a bit, but I was told otherwise. | |
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"JustJodi"
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| | 08/31/2007 9:12 PM |
Alert | | I guess if they knew it was broken they could have called, I just don't see it as that big of a problem. Is the alarm so loud it could cause hearing issues?? I just know my daughter would have complained if it was that bad!! | |
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prnces
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| | 08/31/2007 9:17 PM |
Alert | My son was crying about the prep drill they did yesterday so I am pretty sure that if it was too bad today he would have told me. He said that it went fine, he just covered his ears and went outside so they wouldn't "burn up".  We had a long talk about how there wasn't a real fire. | | | |
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hobson77
Posts:178
| | 08/31/2007 9:26 PM |
Alert | I just don't think they make very good decisions, that have our kids best interest in mind. Yes the alarm was very loud as for hearing problems all I know is that one of my kids has a hole in her ear and everything is amplified, so it really bothered her and my other daughter said that she was really annoyed by it. Also what if there really was a fire, what would they do. The best thing would have been to contact the parents when they realized that it was broken. I want to know that when something happens at the school like that that they are going to do the right things. Kinda like last year when they tried to hide the rat thing without notifying the parents until word leaked out and they had to speak up about it.
Plus my daughters were not given a choice as to go outside they stayed in the classrooms. | |
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DesertNewbie
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| | 09/01/2007 6:06 AM |
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DesertNewbie
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| | 09/01/2007 6:08 AM |
Alert | Example:
(I don't know the actual number of students enrolled at PB, but I bet I'm close and a nice round number will be easier to follow in the example)
1,800 students (300 per grade....K-5)
10 staff members available to make calls (another guess, but since teachers need to stay with kids, there probably aren't a lot more than that available to make calls)
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Each one has to call 180 parents
Dialing = 5 seconds
Ringing = 10 more seconds
Speaking to the parent, who wants to ask a million questions, answering them shortly enough to be informative so as not be accused of being uncaring or rude, but trying to move on quickly, because you have so many other parents to call = 1 minute.
So, one call takes 1-1/4 minutes, if if they are able to reach the parent on the first try, at the first number.
Calling 1,800 parents would take 10 people 225 minutes, which is 3 hours and 45 minutes.
I'm relatively certain if they didn't think the fire alarm would stop sounding within that time frame, they would have begun this time consuming process...that is of course unless it happened late enough in the day that parents and buses would have been arriving to remove kids anyway.
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lazydoubleA
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| | 09/01/2007 9:44 AM |
Alert | | I think they have around 600-700 there. Still, as a parent, would/could you leave work (in Phoenix) just to pick them up? and you are right, how many hours would it take to make all of those calls? | | | |
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hobson77
Posts:178
| | 09/01/2007 12:07 PM |
Alert | | Ok even if they did not have time to call the parents, why did some kids get to go outside and some had to stay in the classrooms? Why do you people stand up for the school system out here so much, I mean they serve our kids green hotdogs for cryin out loud!<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/sick.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Sick' align='absmiddle'> | |
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"JustJodi"
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| | 09/01/2007 12:18 PM |
Alert | | I will stick up for the system as long as I know my child is getting the best education she can here! I have only been in musd for 4 weeks but I am going to fight for them when I think they are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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jmel
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| | 09/01/2007 12:33 PM |
Alert | If you are so unhappy with the school whay are your children still there? I did not bitch I pulled my kids out last year and they are so 100% happy at there new school. In Kyrene dist.
I just think that if you are happy in Maricopa schools GREAT for you -- I was not and instead of running my mouth I made a change. I am not hear to change the mindes of all the other parents and get them on my side -- I am here to make sure my kids have the best chance at life as possible!
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Bionicbunny
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| | 09/01/2007 12:43 PM |
Alert | | Isn't it AGAINST THE LAW to keep kids in a public school with a broken fire alarm? | | | |
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hobson77
Posts:178
| | 09/01/2007 12:57 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Bionicbunny on 09/01/2007 12:43 PM
Isn't it AGAINST THE LAW to keep kids in a public school with a broken fire alarm? </div>
Thank you, that's what I am saying. | |
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momof2boys
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| | 09/01/2007 3:02 PM |
Alert | Honestly, by the time they would have to take to call ALL of the parents, the problem would have more than likely been resolved. From what both of my kids tell me, it sounds like it was just a minor glitch. Had it been a major malfunction of the system, then I think that they would take appropriate action.
hobson77, you obviously have a severe dislike over the district. If you are so unhappy, then maybe the MUSD isn't the right place for you or your child. I stick up for the district because I personally have seen growth and development in my children since being enrolled in the district. I am sorry hobson that you are unhappy, but to be honest, expressing your dislike over the school and the food they serve over a forum is going to do nothing to solve the problems you have with both the school and the district. | | | |
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Chuck
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| | 09/01/2007 3:12 PM |
Alert | | What you're saying is that each time a problem like this occurs the school needs to contact the parents and give them XXX amount of time to pick up their children? In addition, the school buses will be called and students will then be transported to their bus stops and dropped off, regardless of the time of day or outside temp? And those children left behind or not picked up will be turned over to law enforcement? | | | |
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DesertNewbie
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| | 09/01/2007 6:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By lazydoubleA on 09/01/2007 9:44 AM
I think they have around 600-700 there.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. My numbers would be if we only had one elementary school. The class sizes don't reach 300 per grade until they all merge into one middle school here.
Posted By hobson77 on 09/01/2007 12:07 PM
Ok even if they did not have time to call the parents, why did some kids get to go outside and some had to stay in the classrooms?
I wasn't there, so I can't answer for sure, but taking an educated guess I would say it's because some of the classrooms were more closely situated to the area from where the noise originated and it couldn't be muted enough by simply closing the door.
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Pepperdog
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| | 09/01/2007 8:30 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By jmel on 09/01/2007 12:33 PM
If you are so unhappy with the school whay are your children still there? I did not bitch I pulled my kids out last year and they are so 100% happy at there new school. In Kyrene dist.
I just think that if you are happy in Maricopa schools GREAT for you -- I was not and instead of running my mouth I made a change. I am not hear to change the mindes of all the other parents and get them on my side -- I am here to make sure my kids have the best chance at life as possible!
Good Luck and do what is best for your children and family!</div>
Didn't you write a letter to the editor of one of the local papers last year about how you and your daughter were treated? | |
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Pepperdog
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| | 09/01/2007 8:35 PM |
Alert | The arguement that if you don't like it here than leave is part of the problem.
Such thinking resolves no problems and actually allows tolerance for poor performance.
We have brand new schools located in our communities, with excellent teachers and very good principals.....Why the heck should I have to move my kids out of the district simply because the district administration and school board are not doing therir jos.
Personally I would rather replace them with better than accept their ineptness and go away. | |
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carouselncopa
Posts:133
| | 09/01/2007 10:30 PM |
Alert | 1. If each teacher called just their class's parents, that would be around 30. I would think you would call the parents of any children seriously upset by the noise/feeling of a threat that there was a fire, first. It would then be the choice of the parent as to whether or not to pick up their child.
2. It must not be against the law to hold school without a working fire alarm because last year there were posts about how the high school does not and has not had a working system in years and was part of some fire review that had been done.
3. This is in no way a criticism of parents choosing Kyrene, but a curiosity on my part. Are you ever concerned that the regular travel of your children on a bus to Kyrene puts them at greater risk being on 347? That has always made me hesitant to send my children there. Especially with this week's escapade. It took me over 2 hours to get to work and one of the Kyrene busses was sitting there near me. I cannot imagine that being on a hot bus for 3 hours was much fun for any of them, especially the driver.
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