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Phantom78
Posts:232
 | | 08/14/2007 8:25 PM |
 Alert | | We can dwell on the dress code issues, but they aren't going to change. It's a no win situation for the district, if they had gone to uniforms people would complain about that....The bigger issue is how we arrived at the new dress code policy...If you recall last year it was about the gang issue, this years dress code poilcy (IMO) doesn't really make it easier to identify gang members, so I'm not sure what they were thinking. In the end the good get penalized because of a few. Maybe a better solution could have been to force the students who were into the gang issue to wear uniforms. Let them wear that badge of honor in whatever colors we choose! I think pink would look good! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 08/14/2007 8:36 PM |
Alert | | here here!! I agree LOL | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 08/15/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 08/14/2007 6:22 PM
I think some of you are reading WAY too much into the dress code. It doesn't say anywhere that kids can't wear silkscreen t-shirts. It says "Logos, other than school logos, may not be any larger than 2”x2”.
Copy/Paste from Education section, top story on the main page of this website:
Dress Code: There are changes to this year’s 6-12 grade District Dress Code Policy. Shirts must have sleeves and be free of writing and pictures/logos larger than two by two inches.
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 08/15/2007 4:16 PM |
Alert | THE ONE FROM THE MUSD WEBSITE IS DIFFERENT
Dress Code
Maricopa Schools
Grades 6-12
Students and parents/guardians should be aware that school is a place for the business of education and is not a showcase for extreme
styles of dress and grooming. Students must follow the dress code guidelines as listed below:
General
• Dress and grooming will be clean and in keeping with health, sanitary, and safety requirements.
• While attending school or participating in any school sponsored activities, a student’s dress and/or grooming will not
disrupt the setting or constitute a health or safety threat to the individual or other students.
Shirts/Blouses/Turtlenecks
• Upper body articles of clothing should have sleeves. NO tank style tops. Shirts or blouses exposing midriff, backs, or with
plunging necklines are not permitted. Midriffs may not be showing at any time. Both sitting and standing alike. Logos,
other than school logos, may not be any larger than 2”x2”.
• All clothing must be of sufficient density that the body cannot be seen through the clothing.
• Undergarments should not be showing at any time.
Slacks/Pants/Skirts/Shorts
• Lower body articles must be hemmed. Logos, other than school logos, may not be any larger than 2”x2”.
• Shorts/Skirts/Skorts will extend at least one inch past fingertips when the hand is extended at the side while standing
straight.
• No “saggin” (baggy) pants/shorts. Shorts and pants must be worn at the waist.
Other
• Baseball caps are permissible, with school logo only. Cowboy hats are permissible. No headgear (hats) may be worn
inside the building. Hoodies/hooded sweatshirts may not be worn in class.
• No bandanas, beanies, do rags or headbands may be worn or in possession on campus.
• No T-shirts or “rags” may be slung over the shoulders.
• Sunglasses may not be worn inside school buildings unless a note from a physician is provided in the nurses office.
• Clothing that is torn, ragged, or designed to look sloppy or attract undue attention will not be permitted.
• Sleepwear or beachwear is not permitted.
• Proper footwear may be required in certain classes, i.e. Physical Education. No flipflops, slippers, or “heelies” allowed.
• Pocket chains, studded bracelets, dog collars, giant beaded necklaces and other articles which may be judged to be
potentially harmful and/or could be used as a weapon are not permitted.
• Clothing items cannot be worn in anyway that reflects gang affiliation, conceal contraband, creates a distraction, or creates
an atmosphere of threat, intimidation or undue pressure or disrupts the educational environment/process.
• Jewelry used in conjunction with visible body piercing such as nose rings, studs, tongue studs, eyebrow rings, chin studs,
ear gauging, etc… is prohibited.
• All tattoos must be covered and hidden from view – permanent and temporary
• Articles of clothing, buttons or badges may not be worn if it contains the following:
o Offensive/obscene/vulgar words, phrases, or illustrations; derogatory statements toward the purpose of
education, political, religious, racial, or national groups; references to drugs, alcohol, weapons, violence, gangs;
inappropriate sexual references; and/or advertises any product or service not permitted to minors by law (ie:
alcohol/tobacco companies, Playboy bunny).
Students not following the dress code may not attend classes/events until they change into appropriate attire.
The above guidelines are in effect on school property, as well as while students are attending any event in which a Maricopa Unified
School District team, squad, group, or individual is participating, regardless of location. If a student is unable to get appropriate attire
from home, the office will provide substitute items as available. All inappropriate articles will be confiscated and need to be picked
up by parents/guardians.
Administrator Discretion:
The school administration retains the final discretion to determine that the garment or accessory meets the dress code. The school
administration retains the right to change certain requirements in the dress code as issues arise throughout the year. Some exceptions
may be made for uniforms, formal attire, and or spirit days.
Consequences:
Students in non-compliance with dress code will be removed from the classroom and provided one opportunity to get in dress code
(i.e. change, remove, call parents, etc..) All additional violations will result in disciplinary action including ISS, OSS, etc… | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/15/2007 5:40 PM |
Alert | Reading that I can't see why there would be any confusion on the dress code, It's as clear as mud (Sarcasm button off)...! I remember reading that, trying to break it down to it's simplist form, and giving up after a few minutes!
I think relying on their discription leaves it open to interpretation...
leaving the parent bitter and frustrated. Unfortunately it's to late for most.
I would suggest revising the list with a detailed description and examples of the correct and incorrect options or scraping the entire thing and going to uniforms for the offending gang wannabes. | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 08/16/2007 9:13 AM |
Alert | Reading that I can't see why there would be any confusion on the dress code, It's as clear as mud (Sarcasm button off)...!
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By the two different codes that were posted, I can see why parents are mad. They must have revised the code after most we school shopping. Back to the mall. | | | |
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|  | Java Lover
Posts:0
| | 08/16/2007 3:46 PM |
Alert | | It is very clear and address many of the issues the schools are dealing with. If you leave any leeway at all the kids and parents will push the limits, give them and inch and they will take a mile. | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/17/2007 9:40 AM |
Alert | I think that is true to a point but I also think it works in reverse as well...
Give the District an inch and they will take a mile...This was due to 40+ kids involved in gang activity, not the remaining number of kids in the community...
So in the end the children who weren't involved get punished, the gang members continue being gang members with little repercussion, and the parents continue to get frustrated at the gut reactions of the district.
(Keep in mind that last year the district thought that specific colors should not be worn, this year those colors aren't an issue!
I hate to say it but maybe Joe Arpaio hit the nail on the head with the outfits his tent city people wear.
The only restrictions that should have been imposed (imo) were revealing clothes, vulger or profain language on clothes, and any gang related dress or style.
Not every parent has the money to buy school clothes and play clothes...If you asked most parents and kids I'm sure they'd tell you they wear different clothes outside of school hours! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | Cruzin
Posts:145
| | 08/17/2007 12:11 PM |
Alert | | A dress code is not a punishment for anyone PERIOD! A dress code is a standard, usually a higher standard and I am proud that we in Maricopa expect a higher standard from our kids! | | | |
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| | Nickswebcamfriend
Posts:1292
| | 08/17/2007 1:06 PM |
Alert | If these colors aren't an issue this year then why are some teachers telling kids that they are not allowed to wear blue...? Not in the hand book....
Says nothing about Red and Blue for this year... but are being told by one teacher that they are ok and by other administrators that it is not ok. So they do not even know what the dress code is?
Just a QUESTION!!! | |
Who's using me, what should we do? Because you can't be a pimp and a prostitute too. - White Stripes
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/17/2007 2:50 PM |
Alert | Cruzin, I agree that the standards should be raised but when 40+ people are the reason for the dress code policy it is clear that remaining students and parents are penalized for the actions of a few. Granted this policy removes any attire that is to revealing, of a sexual nature, and profane, ect...It is to restrictive in other area's that have nothing to do with the safety of our children. The younger kids don't care, but once you move them to the Middle School or High School level they are more prepared to developed their own style. I'm sure every one of us turned out ok wearing the clothes we had back in the day. It's no different now!
I'm all for cleaning them up enough to show them how to respect themselves and others but this dress code goes far beyond that. This is all about CONTROL.
If someone else comes on campus with intent to harm or if gang members decide to reach out, our kids will be no safer than they are now, regardless of the clothes they wear.
I think it should be modiied to allow fashionable clothes for all kids and anyone involved in gang activitity should have to wear jump suits moving forward. | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 08/18/2007 6:29 AM |
Alert | The problem with some "fashionable" clothing is that its excessively large, with many hiding places for weapons. A kid who has any tendancy to bring a weapon to school would be able to do so much more easily without the dress code.
Will the die-hard rebels still find a way? Probably, but why make it easy for them?
I'm not sure what the number "40" has to do with anything. There were only 2 gunmen at Columbine and that was plenty. | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/18/2007 11:27 AM |
Alert | Desert would you agree that if 40+ people were involved in the gang activity then 40+ people should have been disciplined severe enough to send the message of no tolerence?
If 40+ people were not punished what kind of message was sent?
The problem isn't the clothing but the lack of consequences to the offending gang wannabes!
I think spandex is out of style! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 08/19/2007 6:29 AM |
Alert | Yes, I can agree to that. I think every last one of them should have been instantly and permanently removed from our district.
However, I just want to be clear that the number of kids that were discovered with gang ties of some sort isn't really relevent in determinining the magnitude of the problem. So many have said, "We just have a small group of gang wannabes...no real problem." That is the mentality (underestimation) that allows gangs to grow and thrive.
One gang member sharing air with my daughter is too many. | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/19/2007 9:50 AM |
Alert | | I agree! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 08/19/2007 9:54 AM |
Alert | | Dress codes are out there for the protection of students and staff alike. As a teacher in the district I have already been questioned several times by the students about the dress code. Amazingly enough not one student complained about it and they actully understand it. Which is more than I can say for some of the parents. The association to gangs comes from generalizations made by students currently enrolled when meeting new students to the district. One question that is is easily asked when a student wears "colors" that are associated to gangs is "Are you in a gang?" The new student may want to seek acceptance and say that they are. Then before you know it little cells of "gangs" form. I have already been on the lookout for such behavior which includes and is not limited to handshakes, tagging of notebooks, and the way clothing is worn (one pant leg rolled up and the other not) As an educator my job is to offer a safe haven to children. As parents you should support that regardless of how stupid you feel it is. When you bad mouth the school policy it makes my job 10 times harder to do. I wept when I saw columbine and I fear that someday I have to witness such an event. With a gun being brought to the Middle School last year it could have became a reality. Please support this policy and set the example to your children that life isn't always going to be fair in all cases. Support us to keep your children safe. Do you prefer high fashion over high safety? I pray for the safety of your children. please please please answer that prayer and help us rather than slam us. | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 08/19/2007 12:38 PM |
Alert | thatperson no one is complaining about the teachers involvment in the dress code, there are some aspects that go over board but it's not the dress code that's the issue.
From a teachers perspective can you tell us what became of the offenders last year? If safety is such an issue why let the fox back into the hen house? We haven't addressed the threat we've only covered it up!
We we lucky last year only because a child step forward, not because anyone was able to identify a gang member. With more and more students coming in it will become more difficult to identify gang members as they adapt to the new code.
Communication is the issue here not the dress code. Has the district stepped forward to make it easier on the parents to understand what's acceptable and what's not? Sure they have a list but as you can see there are many questions that have gone unanswered. Have the posted anything that guides the parent on identifying clues to gang involment?
I have already documented how the district doesn't have that information readily available to the public. I have also posted a URL to help parents understand what to look for...I afraid I have done alot more than the district in my effort to parents to show them the cancer will spread unless we cut it out. Many schools have dress codes, the problem still remains. Lets build another program that meets the needs of the gang member...
The cells you speak of are already in the system, we can cloth our children and create this false sense of security or cut out the cancer that continues to spread.
Communication and action against this cancer is the only treatment that will stop it.
Keep up the good work we appreciate all the teachers who have our childrens best interest in mind!
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It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 08/19/2007 1:01 PM |
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We have a program on campus (middle school) called P.A.G. (positive alternative to gangs) it is an every afternoon program for students who have been flagged as possible gang members or potentially gang members. We cannnot by law deny students an education based on the possiblity of their involvement in gangs. We can only treat the cancer, not cut it out. We understand the frustration that the community is feeling in all aspects of a growing school community. It would be more constructive to go to board meetings and get clarification on the dress code issue. Or if that seems to be not an option for most I am sure that the district office would be able to help clarify the issue. I was at the open house for the middle school that was geared for new 6th grade students and new students to the district. We had quite a large number of participants who were introduced to what we were expecting as far as dresscode is concerned. Phantom....it seems you have a strange motive of just keeping the embers burning in a fire rather than letting them go out. Be an advocate to the school district on more of a consistant basis please. | | | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 08/19/2007 1:11 PM |
Alert | | Another quick note on dress code. Has anyone considered the fact that the dress code also helps to eliminate so much socioeconmic division in a school. Lets just say after growing up in a poor family without much money to buy the most trendy fashion I appreciate the dresscode. I still have the memories frozen in my brain of being teased due to the way I dressed and because my family wasn't able to afford the brand named cool clothes. Maybe we are dwelling to much on the gang issue and not realizing that our society is one where the haves are more popular than the have nots. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 08/20/2007 6:30 AM |
Alert | | I have considered that and with the high population of less fortunate families in our area, I am more thankful for the dress code for that reason than any other. | | | |
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