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bmw4242001
Posts:415


 | | 08/06/2008 5:21 PM |
Alert | Why do you send your kids to schools in the valley? Do you pay the taxes to those school district? Do you pay extra for gas money for those schools to send buses out here to pick up your kids? Just curious!! | | Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!! | |
| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 08/06/2008 5:47 PM |
Alert | Those other school districts have been around longer and score better on tests. They think the Maricopa schools are filled with gangs, drugs, incompetent administration and non caring teachers. | | | |
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| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497


 | | 08/06/2008 6:31 PM |
Alert | I send my 2 kids to kyrene de los lagos for many reasons&i will list them:1) they have a great reputation not only as a school, but district wide. the consistancy of being an established district for 20 yrs operating at a high level is EXTREMELY attractive& i dont want to go through any growing pains with a new district or school. i want to know right from the start exactly how things operate from yr to yr&KSD is the one that has that between LTS,KSD&MUSD. 2) i dont like school uniforms. that may be trivial to some&i understand&respect their opinion, but i think they are more expensive than regular clothes&quite frankly i dont believe they help nor hinder the kids learning experience plus they just look nicer dressed in everyday clothing imo. 3) it saves me time&$$$ not having to drive them to a MUSD school or LTS although here in AC they could take a MUSD bus, but again i cite #1&2 as reasons i didnt choose MUSD. kids are gone from 630-330 and with a baby to look after as well as a household, i need all the time i can get so i can get everything done. plus the kids like riding the bus so its a win win for everyone.
if MUSD had the amenities,reputation,AIMS scores, no uniform policy etc etc etc as KSD, i would gladly place my kids in their hands but alas they do not. same goes for LTS so that is why i send them to KSD. hope that helps | | listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
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| | Dweezil
Posts:73

 | | 08/06/2008 9:17 PM |
Alert | Because morons like Tim White aren't on the school board in the Kyrene district.
Reason enough right there. | | | |
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| | frappucino addict
Posts:194


 | | 08/06/2008 10:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By Dweezil on 08/06/2008 9:17 PM
Because morons like Tim White aren't on the school board in the Kyrene district.
Reason enough right there. Wow... Interesting... When I went to the board meeting, he seemed to be the only person questioning the district and attempting to hold people accountable. Did I miss something? | | | |
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| | buzymom
Posts:73

 | | 08/06/2008 11:34 PM |
Alert | | Why is it your business??! A parent has the right to choose to send their kids where they feel is best for them. All established school are better academically which is why I hear so many do send them out of district and one day MUSD will catch up but not today! How can you judge a parent for doing what is best? My son will go to Saddleback and he is in kindergarten...if he were older I 100% would send him to Kyrene but I feel confident MUSD will provide my son what he needs for now. Time will tell. | | | |
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| | apm
Posts:4


 | | 08/06/2008 11:35 PM |
Alert | | Well personally I graduated from Hamilton High School in Chandler, while living in Maricopa. I decided on HHS mainly because it had the AP classes that I needed, plus the extracurriculars to make the 30min drive worthwhile. HHS also has really good test scores, and while MHS will be good in 5 years, I didn't have 5 years. | | To find the measure of a man (or woman) look at not how they treat their equals, but how they treat their inferiors. -Old Proverb | |
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| | bmw4242001
Posts:415


 | | 08/07/2008 6:36 AM |
Alert | Obviously buzymom I have hit a nerve with you. I was not judging anyone because they do it, I was merely curious when we have schools here. This is the first place I have lived that had so many people go to schools outside of their district and just wondered if there were extra costs for it. I respect everyone's choice and as I say "TO EACH THEIR OWN". I don't feel my asking was rude or judgemental. By the way, if you were offended by my curiousity then you should not have replied!! | | Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!! | |
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| | CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:348


 | | 08/07/2008 11:13 AM |
Alert | bmw...I can understand your curiosity. We had our child in the MUSD district for 3 years. And our child was to move to middle school this year. I will share with you and all our reasoning.
After all of the hardship she had dealing with bullying almost since day 1, working with a principal who had an attitude of well, just ingore it, or speak up and maybe it will stop. When she finally did speak up, everyone alienated her. The superintendent had the attitude of he will speak about it, and while after having to go through all of that, it was her 5th grade teacher who really helped ease things at least for her last year in the elementary phase. That teacher did not move on to the middle school, only to another elementary or else we would have considered staying with MUSD. Considering all of the things that I hear from the middle school (we have family children going there) and all that she has went through, we felt it was time for a change. It was a very hard and difficult decision, but now that she has had a couple days at her new school, for the first time since we have moved here, she is finally happy to be in school again. That speaks volumes to us, and just to see her smile again, it is more than enough to know we made the right decision. Our children do take a bus, and it is their first time on a bus, but it is working for us. I am thankful there is such a thing as charter schools, something not as common in CA, and it is more difficult to transfer to out of district schools. | | "Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent." -Marilyn vos Savant | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:855


 | | 08/07/2008 1:32 PM |
Alert | | Why? Because if something isn't working for their kids, loving parents move mountains to get their children what they need. They don't just whine about the crappy schools and leave their kids to fend for themselves. | | `cos everybody hates a tourist Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh. Yeah and the chip stain and grease will come out in the bath...
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| | buzymom
Posts:73

 | | 08/07/2008 4:42 PM |
Alert | Well the problem is many people in Maricopa get so mad when parents take their kids to another district. I am honestly tired of these parents being hasseled for doing what is best for their kids. I personally don't have experience with the schools here but if we have any issues I will pull him in a heart beat! He is only in kindergareten and while we did consider Kyrene we just felt the drive was too much for him and would make his days too long.
I never been in a place where so many people get mad at other parent for taking them out of the district! | | | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:855


 | | 08/10/2008 3:01 AM |
Alert | Posted By bmw4242001 on 08/07/2008 6:36 AM Obviously buzymom I have hit a nerve with you. I was not judging anyone because they do it, I was merely curious when we have schools here. This is the first place I have lived that had so many people go to schools outside of their district and just wondered if there were extra costs for it. I respect everyone's choice and as I say "TO EACH THEIR OWN". I don't feel my asking was rude or judgemental. By the way, if you were offended by my curiousity then you should not have replied!!
The questions that you asked did seem to be judgemental. Perhaps you did not mean for your post to come across that way, but considering the derision with which parents who ship their kids out are treated, it's natural that they might read it negatively.
Here is a link to the MUSD report card. It is horrible. Of course, MANY AZ schools are failing to meet the needs of the community. They are profoundly underfunded and have ranked in the bottom for student expenditure every year of the 11 that I have lived here. So I cannot fault parents who find good schools and stick with them. http://www10.ade.az.gov/ReportCard/DistrictDetails.aspx?id=4441&ReportLevel=2 It's funny. Since deciding to homeschool my kids four years ago, I have met with a lot of criticism from parents and educators who feel that I could not possibly do as well of a job as the public schools. Excuse me while I laugh hysterically. | | `cos everybody hates a tourist Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh. Yeah and the chip stain and grease will come out in the bath...
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| | ksw
Posts:1

 | | 08/10/2008 6:42 AM |
Alert | I dont very often post anything here. I just wanted to say, I send my child out o f district. I think it is a personal decision that the parent should make based on the child and their family circumstances. Not everything works for every family and child. I have never had my child in MUSD so I can not complain or really commnet on whether it is a good learning enviorment or not. Whatever decision families make they feel they made the correct one for their children. we should respect that. | | | |
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| | bmw4242001
Posts:415


 | | 08/10/2008 1:35 PM |
Alert | The questions that you asked did seem to be judgemental. Perhaps you did not mean for your post to come across that way, but considering the derision with which parents who ship their kids out are treated, it's natural that they might read it negatively. I appreciate everyones feedback and in no way did I want to come across as being judgemental. The only person who seems to have thought I was being judgemental though was someone who is sending their child to a MUSD school and not out of district. I admit when I first moved here I thought it was stupid that people "shipped" their kids out of Maricopa for school but after the year I had with my son it was a real possiblity for us to do this year. So again, thanks for the feedback and now my family has something else to consider if this year is just as bad as last. | | Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!! | |
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| | Urban Cowgirl
Posts:209

 | | 08/10/2008 3:38 PM |
Alert | | Why does my son go to Kyrene? One reason: student/teacher ratio. In kindergarten last year, he had 19 students in his class in Kyrene, while kindergarten classes here were 25-30+. At that age, and especially with a "spirited" boy, it makes a difference. | | Janelle --------- You can take the girl out of Kansas, but can't take Kansas out of the girl! | |
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| | shertex
Posts:1053


 | | 08/10/2008 4:56 PM |
Alert | | I am one that is split. Each child and situation is different. I have one in the 8th grade here in Maricopa and one that is a Senior at Hamilton. It is working out wonderfully for both!! | | Senior Member Posts: 5042 Joined: Jan 2006 You better make it count, cause you can't get it back! | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:355

 | | 08/10/2008 4:57 PM |
Alert | Posted By buzymom on 08/07/2008 4:42 PM
Well the problem is many people in Maricopa get so mad when parents take their kids to another district. I am honestly tired of these parents being hasseled for doing what is best for their kids. I personally don't have experience with the schools here but if we have any issues I will pull him in a heart beat! He is only in kindergareten and while we did consider Kyrene we just felt the drive was too much for him and would make his days too long.
I never been in a place where so many people get mad at other parent for taking them out of the district!
I think it's hassle on both sides, people who leave their kids in this school district look like we don't care or don't have enough information, and that is not true. I would not pull my kids out of this school district but there is not one member of this school district or at my kid's school who doesn't know my name or shudder when they see me coming. It's about changing things for the better around here and when things don't work, we need to call the school and make it better, not get on a message board and complain about it. I always call my school at see how I can help or complain when things didn't go right and most of the time they are very open to change. They want to see things change for the better. Sometimes they can't see things the way a parent can and they need us to point it out.
Anyone has the right to sent their kids to whatever school they what for the time being, as long as Kyrene continues to have low enrollment. When they have enough kids in their own districts they will no longer accept Maricopa kids. Kyrene parents think Maricopa parents send their kids here because they have no other choice and that is not the case...I want my kids to go here. The schools are brand new my kids' teachers are great, the bus drivers are great, the commute is short. Yes they have their problems but I hear Kyrene parents bitch about that school district too, they just don't do it on here.
One parent pulled her kid out of Maricopa schools, thinking it was the teacher's fault he was doing so bad, when it turns out he is doing just as bad in Kyrene. And the bus ride is horribly long for him everyday. If your kid is a bad student sending them to the best school in the world isn't going to help them if they don't want to learn. MUSD has fantastic teachers and Kyrene has some pretty bad ones. In 5 years lets all come back and see how our kids are doing. I bet you won't see a bit of difference from the ones who graduated from MUSD vs. Kyrene. You may think you are giving them a leg up by sending them there but they still may end up flipping burgers at the new McDonalds while the MHS grads may be on a full scholarship to collage. You just never know. We all just do the best we can can and hope for the best. | | | |
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| | mom 2 BNM
Posts:123


 | | 08/11/2008 7:48 PM |
Alert | In 5 years lets all come back and see how our kids are doing. I bet you won't see a bit of difference from the ones who graduated from MUSD vs. Kyrene.
I beg to differ here. When I decided to stay home (I was a teacher in Tempe and my kids attended my school), I chose to send my kids to Kyrene because that was way back when K-2 and 3-5 were at different schools here in Maricopa and I just didn't get a good vibe from the 3-5 school while touring it. I bussed my kids for one year and then decided it was too long of a drive and was taking away from our family time and extra curricular activities. I figured since I was home and very involved in their educations it would work out better. My oldest entered MUSD in fifth grade after taking gifted classes in Kyrene. My son and a few other boys sat in the back of the class and taught themselves 6th grade math because the teacher admittedly could not keep up with their pace. Although not happy with the method of instruction (none really) I was at least happy they weren't forced to repeat math they had learned a year prior. At conference time I was told that they had just started social studies because they finally recieved textbooks and weren't doing science due to a lack of books. HELLO! You don't need textbooks to teach science. I printed out the science standards from the ADE website for fifth grade and gave suggestions for implementing science w/out the books. I made sure to volunteer any time she attempted to tackle projects within the classroom, etc. Anyway, to make a long story short, he was pulled from MUSD after sixth grade and started back in Kyrene last year for 7th. Boy was it a rude awakening! Although he had all honors classes at MWMS and maintained good grades, he was in NO WAY prepared for 7th grade to the same level as the existing Akimel students. He had to work his butt off to catch up to where the other kids in his advanced classes were. I also like how Kyrene keeps the 6th, 7th and 8th grades separate from one another. In 6th grade at MWMS he not only was mixed with 8th graders on campus, he played sports with them as well. Last year, he played sports strictly with 7th graders and this year it will just be 8th graders.
I could go on for days about what the two years in MUSD did to my now fifth grader..... Thank goodness for Legacy, because I really don't like the idea of shipping my elementary kids off for school again. Things may be getting better, but from 2005-2007 the schools were not providing an adequate educational experience. | | | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:355

 | | 08/17/2008 12:24 PM |
Alert | I don' think you understood my point...parents send thier kids to Kyrene thinking they are going to make 6 figuers when they grow up and they very well may. Or they could get pregnant at 19, drop out of collage, live in a trailer and work at The Gap for the rest of their lives. Not exactly the life you would want for a child who was educated a Kyrene.
On the flip side. A kid who went to MUSD who got a 4.0 in all their AP classes who got a full ride to the college of their choice. Went on to a great job and live happily ever after.
You just never know...my life DRASTICALLY changed at 19 not for the better but not for the worst...it just changed and you deal with that...all we can do is just raise them the best we can do. And not all education comes from school hopefully parents teach them street smarts as well.
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| | cptpizza
Posts:75

 | | 08/17/2008 2:53 PM |
Alert | One other thing to note. Schools are not funded in Arizona the same way they are in many places. The money all goes to one pot and then the money is distributed to schools based on enrollment numbers, ELL enrollment, and Special Education enrolmment, which the school reports to the state.
To make things even more complex, the funding is based off of 40th day of school numbers and 100th day of school numbers, so, if the school gets a large enrollment number after the 100th day, they will not see any funding resulting from the increase in students until the following years 40th and 100th day numbers are in. | | | |
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