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Phantom78
Posts:232
 | | 07/12/2007 2:08 PM |
 Alert | Here is a fact that you can try and disprove...
The superintendent allowed gang suspended students to return from their nine day suspensions without scheduling their due process hearings due to a shortage of hearing officers.
The Superintendent had one trained and board approved hearing officer. This person was one of the Nonrenewed people. He gave this person the additional "non paid assignment" as a hearing officer. He wasn't able to place anyone in the position. The Superintendent was notified that he had 32 pending hearings to be scheduled, when the hearing officer was released from that extra assignment, he then assigned the hearing officer duties to a principle who was neither trained by the school attorney nor approved by the board.
End result...
A slap on the wrist!
The teachers ratio is a well known fact announced at the recent board meeting, Flores also gives numbers in his recent 85239 magazine article 4700 kids now and he expects that number to grow to at least 5200 by october or november. He mentions that the district probably has 20-25 postions that haven't been filled, and may have more...He is currently trying to get the administration to find a way to lower the class sizes. All this from the man himself!
So snob, prove me wrong! I expect your tactic to continue to not disprove me but ask another question. Everyone knows who I am so why are you hiding hypocrite.
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| | osgoodsnog
Posts:55
| | 07/12/2007 9:28 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Phantom78 on 07/12/2007 2:08 PM
Here is a fact that you can try and disprove...
The superintendent allowed gang suspended students to return from their nine day suspensions without scheduling their due process hearings due to a shortage of hearing officers.
The Superintendent had one trained and board approved hearing officer. This person was one of the Nonrenewed people. He gave this person the additional "non paid assignment" as a hearing officer. He wasn't able to place anyone in the position. The Superintendent was notified that he had 32 pending hearings to be scheduled, when the hearing officer was released from that extra assignment, he then assigned the hearing officer duties to a principle who was neither trained by the school attorney nor approved by the board.
End result...
A slap on the wrist!
The teachers ratio is a well known fact announced at the recent board meeting, Flores also gives numbers in his recent 85239 magazine article 4700 kids now and he expects that number to grow to at least 5200 by october or november. He mentions that the district probably has 20-25 postions that haven't been filled, and may have more...He is currently trying to get the administration to find a way to lower the class sizes. All this from the man himself!
So snob, prove me wrong! I expect your tactic to continue to not disprove me but ask another question. Everyone knows who I am so why are you hiding hypocrite.
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While yes, there was only one trained hearing officer in our sleepy little town who was drawing two salaries from two companies, as well I don't have access to find out if stipends were also utilized to help pay for her extra work as is practice in many districts. Yes, it is unfortunate that she was the only on trained, however, she was not released from her duties until the end of June, but in many instances chose not to fulfill her obligation to the district. At one of the board meetings she stated that grants could have been acquired to increase teacher salaries.... I just wonder why she never applied for these grants before, or at least in the months she had left in her contract (March to June). She attained the easiest grants which would last multiple years, but stopped at those. Never sought Intel, Countrywide, and countless others out there... she sat on her laurels as "the only grant writer in the world"
So why did she not attend these.... could it be the many times she called out from attending work in those last few weeks.... not having the children as a priority as she claimed?
So yes, the next best thing to do in this urgent situation was to find the best qualified individuals who can show up to work and fulfill their commitment to the district. With so many hearings, SOME of the suspected students were allowed back and very closely watched by security staff, teachers, paraprofessionals and trained volunteers until process could be done as quickly and legally as possible. Hearings continued for weeks after the incident. Their outcomes from there are not known to me as the information was not public knowledge.
As for the non renewed employee.... she must have gotten board not doing work for so long, that she ended out her contract early at her request. She close to me, but does not know how disgusted I am about her behavior and attitude, but thanks for bringing her up so that I can get that off my chest.
Let's see.... about 80% of the resignation came from the middle school who's principal was also up for non renewal. According to the employment site on MUSD's webpage... not a lot of teaching positions are left. I called today to find that the website is updated weekly, so your information after this past board meeting is not accurate. HR stated that applicants for most general teaching positions were abundant with the recruiting efforts this year. I was not able to get a current student count as the staff was moving office space around, and computers were unplugged. They asked that I check back next week, but assured me that the district's goal is to bring that student/teacher ratio down. I still intend on getting the numbers for you, but don't want to guess or use old data to create chaos and anxiety as is your tactic
I have not lived my life on this forum... but would look at it from time to time... no I do not know who you are, nor do I care to. I just want to help this community with facts they can use and maybe move on to be contributing members of this city which has so much potential. A neighbor had brought your posting style to my attention. Someone needs to bring truth counter your inadequacies’
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 8:39 AM |
Alert | You have only proven my information is accurate, You verify everything I have said then go and bash the person I speak of. Obviiously they aren't here to defend themselves but you try and disguise they fact that I was right. It's ok to admit that. Before you call me out you need to make sure of your own information. Your response of I don't know doesn't come close to proving me wrong. It doesn't matter where the holes need to be filled the fact is they need to be filled. You are good at taking pot shots at the teachers and suppport team here without providing facts.
Your bring in your own personal views of indivduals you work with as a defense into why I am wrong yet you provide no proof of someones work ethic...Everytime people affliated with Flores come on here to argue their point they end up exhibiting the very attributes I talk about. It's a shame our schools have people in key positions who put their own selfish ambitions above the education of our children.
Accurate information on the student count and teacher count can only be determined once the school year starts the numbers I have given were From Flores himself. By the way, applicants are great but until they sign contracts they are not employeed by the district. (Nice try) My information is again accurate.
Please do us all a favor and stop trying to deceive of our community about how good things are especially when your last post shows what type of person you are...The teachers of this community don't need to be working with backstabbers when they have giant obstacles to overcome.
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It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | Jazz
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| | 07/13/2007 9:21 AM |
Alert | Phantom....you seem to have a pretty good grasp of things. What needs to happen for the situation to improve? New leadership? More hires?
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| | osgoodsnog
Posts:55
| | 07/13/2007 11:29 AM |
Alert | You say…….. "The superintendent allowed gang suspended students to return from their nine day suspensions without scheduling their due process hearings due to a shortage of hearing officers. The Superintendent had one trained and board approved hearing officer. This person was one of the Nonrenewed people. He gave this person the additional "non paid assignment" as a hearing officer. He wasn't able to place anyone in the position. The Superintendent was notified that he had 32 pending hearings to be scheduled, when the hearing officer was released from that extra assignment, he then assigned the hearing officer duties to a principle who was neither trained by the school attorney nor approved by the board."
I stated that……. While yes, there was only one trained hearing officer in our sleepy little town who was drawing two salaries from two companies, as well I don't have access to find out if stipends were also utilized to help pay for her extra work as is practice in many districts. Yes, it is unfortunate that she was the only on trained, however, she was not released from her duties until the end of June, but in many instances chose not to fulfill her obligation to the district.
The district did not casually allow as you indicate, for students to return. The process did take longer than anyone would have wanted due to the lack of available assistance with one hearing officer who was still on staff. It was up to her to come to work or not.
You make clam that….. "The teachers ratio is a well known fact announced at the recent board meeting, Flores also gives numbers in his recent 85239 magazine article 4700 kids now and he expects that number to grow to at least 5200 by october or november. He mentions that the district probably has 20-25 postions that haven't been filled, and may have more...He is currently trying to get the administration to find a way to lower the class sizes. All this from the man himself!"
And then you prove yourself inaccurate in your next entry by stating that…… "Accurate information on the student count and teacher count can only be determined once the school year starts the numbers I have given were From Flores himself. By the way, applicants are great but until they sign contracts they are not employeed by the district. (Nice try) My information is again accurate"
And by the way…. Contracts have been signed by both teachers and governing board… their names went to the board at last Wednesday’s meeting, and the agenda item passed. Your numbers are out dated. Just call the front office... it's public information.
You say……….. "You have only proven my information is accurate, You verify everything I have said then go and bash the person I speak of. Obviiously they aren't here to defend themselves but you try and disguise they fact that I was right. It's ok to admit that. Before you call me out you need to make sure of your own information. Your response of I don't know doesn't come close to proving me wrong. It doesn't matter where the holes need to be filled the fact is they need to be filled. You are good at taking pot shots at the teachers and suppport team here without providing facts."
The only holes left were stipend information and the outcome of hearings with regard to minors…… You seem to know everything about their slap on the hand, but you don’t produce the information either. Non renewal employees are welcome to defend themselves…. What are they afraid of… getting fired if caught??? They were not pot shots, they are facts that the individual did not do the job on her contract for several months.... go ask, and that person will have to agree. I have spoken with that person about it.
You say……. Your bring in your own personal views of indivduals you work with as a defense into why I am wrong yet you provide no proof of someones work ethic...Everytime people affliated with Flores come on here to argue their point they end up exhibiting the very attributes I talk about. It's a shame our schools have people in key positions who put their own selfish ambitions above the education of our children.
I don’t work with the “individuals”… that is your assumption… but you are good at that. Never clamed to be affiliated with anyone or anything, those are just more claims you pull out of nowhere. I don’t work for the schools. Anything said about the hearing office came from information shared so openly by the individual or from mp3 recordings of board meetings. I have not met Flores in person, but have spoken over the phone... you should try it sometime! Oh, but you stated you have never tried.
You say……. Please do us all a favor and stop trying to deceive of our community about how good things are especially when your last post shows what type of person you are...The teachers of this community don't need to be working with backstabbers when they have giant obstacles to overcome.
Shame on you!
I agree.. shame on you for inciting diversion from the attention which should be expended on the future of this city. The teachers need our help… but maybe not your brand. I don’t know who you are, but I hope your chosen profession is not teaching….. I left all your misspelled word in for you.
I noticed no kudos from you for the student who turned in her boyfriend…. Or would that be too positive of a comment from you?
I think she is awesome! There should be some king of award program for those that protect our children, especially if it is the other children who help. What do you think?
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 12:01 PM |
Alert | Jazz on...If you look at osgoods post you see and angry person who has sour grapes...They try to divert attention for their mistakes by jumping on people. Notice how she critques my spelling but doesn't mention her spelling errors. This is exactly how they are treating our teachers.
We need to start at the top and rebuild our Foundation. Since I am at work I don't have enough time to give a full explaination
Osgood mistakes:
While yes, there was only one trained hearing officer in our sleepy little town who was drawing two salaries from two companies, as well I don't have access to find out if stipends were also utilized to help pay for her extra work as is practice in many districts. Yes, it is unfortunate that she was the only on trained, however, she was not released from her duties until the end of June, but in many instances chose not to fulfill her obligation to the district. At one of the board meetings she stated that grants could have been acquired to increase teacher salaries.... I just wonder why she never applied for these grants before, or at least in the months she had left in her contract (March to June). She attained the easiest grants which would last multiple years, but stopped at those. Never sought Intel, Countrywide, and countless others out there... she sat on her laurels as "the only grant writer in the world"
So why did she not attend these.... could it be the many times she called out from attending work in those last few weeks.... not having the children as a priority as she claimed?
So yes, the next best thing to do in this urgent situation was to find the best qualified individuals who can show up to work and fulfill their commitment to the district. With so many hearings, SOME of the suspected students were allowed back and very closely watched by security staff, teachers, paraprofessionals and trained volunteers until process could be done as quickly and legally as possible. Hearings continued for weeks after the incident. Their outcomes from there are not known to me as the information was not public knowledge.
As for the non renewed employee.... she must have gotten (board) not doing work for so long, that she ended out her contract early at her request. (She close)to me, but does not know how disgusted I am about her behavior and attitude, but thanks for bringing her up so that I can get that off my chest.
Let's see.... about 80% of the resignation came from the middle school who's principal was also up for non renewal. According to the employment site on MUSD's webpage... not a lot of teaching positions are left. I called today to find that the website is updated weekly, so your information after this past board meeting is not accurate. HR stated that applicants for most general teaching positions were abundant with the recruiting efforts this year. I was not able to get a current student count as the staff was moving office space around, and computers were unplugged. They asked that I check back next week, but assured me that the district's goal is to bring that student/teacher ratio down. I still intend on getting the numbers for you, but don't want to guess or use old data to create chaos and anxiety as is your tactic
I have not lived my life on this forum... but would look at it from time to time... no I do not know who you are, nor do I care to. I just want to help this community with facts they can use and maybe move on to be contributing members of this city which has so much potential. A neighbor had brought your posting style to my attention. Someone needs to bring truth counter your inadequacies’
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|  | CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:321
| | 07/13/2007 1:01 PM |
Alert | osgoodsnog & phantom78, would you two like a boxing ring to release some tension? I thought I was trying to read a thread about gang activity and possibly some things other parents are looking to do to help resolve this issue. It seems as if you two are more concerned with the action of a former district employee who is no longer with MUSD.
So how about we move foward, and as OSGOODSNOG states, and give kudos to teens who have the courage to so call "rat out" their friends. Kudos to the young lady who was able to speak up about her friend. It is hard to live in a community with gangs, I did, and Maricopa is no where near that...yet.
It is up to us, the parents to teach our kids what is real and what is just for t.v. or radio. We are still a new, and growing community and we will continue to have our ups and downs/growing pains. I really hope that us Maricopans can work together regarding this situation instead of just bicker about it. | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 1:35 PM |
Alert | | If you read the entire thread you will see that Osgood derailed the conversation like they always do...There are reasons why Gang activity thrives which is what my first post was illustrating. The solution isn't as easy as having the parents have conversations with their children. The children that are already receiving those conversations aren't the problem. A good example is the person on the tread that turned in they're boyfriend. | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:321
| | 07/13/2007 2:10 PM |
Alert | | True, the gang activity will not get better if we keep up with the previous disciplining habits of the school district. And yes I did read your quote about kids who get their wrists slapped as their discipline. Yes is part of how a chilid/teenager begins to think he/she can start getting away with things, but ultimately it is the parent who is raising the child, to teach them right from wrong, and to know that just because Sammy Jr, or Suzy girl, is doing this or that, doesn't make it okay for their child to be involved with that nonsense. Trust me, you can live in it, live around it and still be able to say no to things. | |
"Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent."
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 2:19 PM |
Alert | This community is just like every community, you have many who care about their children enough to be involved in their lives, you also have those that are preoccupied with surviving were they are not able to devote enough time and do the best they can, even still yet you have parents who don't care and contribute to their delinquency.
Are the solutions easy to find, of course not. Accepting less than the highest standard has become the norm here and that starts at the top! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:321
| | 07/13/2007 2:50 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Phantom78 on 07/13/2007 2:19 PM
This community is just like every community, you have many who care about their children enough to be involved in their lives, you also have those that are preoccupied with surviving were they are not able to devote enough time and do the best they can, even still yet you have parents who don't care and contribute to their delinquency.
Are the solutions easy to find, of course not. Accepting less than the highest standard has become the norm here and that starts at the top!</div>
All we can do now at this point, is wait and see, a new school year is starting, we (Maricopa) had a really good & bad previous school year to look back at in regards to the mistakes/pluses MUSD made. Let's just hope that with the new staff, uniform policies, and openings of more schools, our children will have a better school year this year. | |
"Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent."
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 2:59 PM |
Alert | After all of my research I find the "Inspect what you expect, because everyone is suspect" approach the best for this community, It doesn't wait for results but constantly looks for measurable progress on a daily basis, deals with issues realistically and address the source of the problems.
You'll find the teachers for the most part are outstanding but the leadership (Except for a few notable performers) leaves alot to be desired. Thats why my children will be going to Hamilton.
I believe new leadership is needed to get us to that level! | |
It’s not a glass half full (optimism) or a glass half empty (pessimism)—it’s half of a glass of water (reality). Expend your energy and mental capacity on something worthwhile!
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| | CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:321
| | 07/13/2007 3:12 PM |
Alert | | Good point. I have to be honest, myself, as well as other family members have not been very impressed with the performance of certain leaders, which is why I am going to give it one more year, before we make our decision on if we want to continue our kids within the MUSD or take them out by where I work... Awatukee. But, for us, to move out here was a big, big impact on our children, and switching schools is not that easy of a decision. Our daughter is finally getting familiar with friends, and it would break her heart to leave her very good friend again. So, for us, we will try again, and hope for the better. | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 07/13/2007 3:19 PM |
Alert | I say .. kick the little punks out of school. Send them down the 347.....
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:0
| | 07/13/2007 3:28 PM |
Alert | | sounds like a slap on the wrist, and a school system that is in over its head and has no clue what it is doing, and is incapable of handling these type of situations. My kids are still a few years away from kindergarten but we already know there is no way they will go to school here if we still live here when the time comes. The situation would have to drastically improve. | | | |
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| | Threekids
Posts:187
| | 07/13/2007 4:28 PM |
Alert | | this kind of stuff is in every school. We just need to be more involved in our childrens lives. Keep them busy and out of trouble. know where your kids are at and what they are doing. It will get better IMO it already has. | |
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| | mom 2 BNM
Posts:115
| | 07/13/2007 4:54 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Threekids on 07/13/2007 4:28 PM
this kind of stuff is in every school. We just need to be more involved in our childrens lives. Keep them busy and out of trouble. know where your kids are at and what they are doing. It will get better IMO it already has.</div>
These comments make me sick!!!! It doesn't matter how close of tabs I keep on my child if these hoodlum kids keep getting away with this crap! My son is an honor student, plays sports, has fabulous friends, and has never even come close to getting in trouble (aside from not cleaning his room). This did not keep him from ending up with a gun in his possession on April 13th. As any good kid with nothing to fear would do, he (along with 2 others) walked the gun immediately to the office. This is the incident that started all of this. I more than anyone, have firsthand experience with how this was/was not handled. Due to the fact that the district is allowing these students to return, my son will not step foot on a campus in Maricopa. Sucks since we've lived here for 5 years and have some pretty serious roots planted here!
As for getting involved, I was also the PTO president at one of the elementary schools and once again saw firsthand what is really going on in this district. Most of the people I know who fought to help the district and get people involved (including myself) will not be returning.
As for class sizes, I think everyone is in for a rude awakening when school starts! | | | |
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| | Phantom78
Posts:232
| | 07/13/2007 8:43 PM |
Alert | Thanks mom for your input, I've been trying to share how things were being handle before and after this unfortunate incident...The real trouble makers got away with what started this event. To add more information to this and how Flores and the board handled this situation...
When the administrators were notified that they would be nonrenewed it was 5 days prior to the first board meeting, at that time Julie simply told Dr. Flores that she would no longer perform this extra duty for the district. Can you blame her! Secondly he knew that at the beginning of April that she would not perform this duty any more. Why then when the gang thing went down did he not have somone else in place. He had at least a couple of weeks to get someone board approved, he could even have done it the night of the renewals. She (Julie) was always up front with him about that duty.
March 23rd is the date they were notified about the nonrenewed, that is at least 3 to 4 weeks prior to the lockdown, Flores had plenty of time to act. In addition he then had an additional 9 days of suspension to get all of the principals trained and board approved. He has called for special board meetings before hasn't he. Why not in this case?
The training is not difficult. It'is basically reading a script. We cannot allow Flores to turn from the fact that it is his responibility to facilitate the district runnings and he should have been on top of that situation from the get go.
We already know osgood works in the district office. Being Flores teammate it's always easy to debunk anything they say.
Osgood please let Flores know that more information is on the way to the community he can hide behind his interviews but we will get the truth out about him and the rest of team Flores.
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| | CODEBLEU
Posts:202
| | 07/15/2007 9:33 PM |
Alert | | It would be interesting to hear how your son ended up with a gun in his possession. Sounds pretty strange! Did they find it on school property or did they take it away from the lunatic that brought it to school in the first place? | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 07/16/2007 7:01 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By CODEBLEU on 07/15/2007 9:33 PM
It would be interesting to hear how your son ended up with a gun in his possession. Sounds pretty strange! Did they find it on school property or did they take it away from the lunatic that brought it to school in the first place? </div>
I'm sure Mom will come back and answer this with details (if she wants), but the story that was originally printed stated her son came into possession of the gun when the student who brought it to school asked him to keep it for him. Instead of saying no or keeping it, her son did the right thing and turned it into the office.
The boy who originally brought it, as well as other gang-related offenders that were identified and suspended that day, are all allowed to return to MUSD for this upcoming school year...hence a "slap on the wrist." Mom is saying she won't allow her son back because he will obviously be a target for having "ratted out" the gun bringer. I think she's making the right choice.
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