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Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 9:12 AM Alert 

Unless we can talk the environmentalists into releasing their strangle hold our entire country, as we know it today, is history.  We are just beginning to witness some of the effects these extremists have perpetrated on us.  

We must never forget that extremism is a form of insanity.  Those that practice it should be shunned, not honored.

Just my 2 cents worth!  

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05/23/2008 10:18 AM Alert 

I came from a town in the Midwest of 950 people, but we had a grocery store, dentist, gift store, two insurance offices, car dealer, local cooperative, tax office, nursing home and most important, doctors office.  I guess I don't understand why not getting a hospital is a priority over more fast food businesses in Maricopa.  I have heath issues as well, and would be more comforting knowing there is a local hospital locally.  It would create numerous jobs and the local doctors would still be available to accomondate their patients at a local level.  Isn't there some way the city could try and recruit for a hospital?

spl002User is Offline

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05/23/2008 11:02 AM Alert 
It is a given that this city will grow. There will be several million people moving to the Phoenix Metro within the next ten years. Phoenix, and the surrounding areas does not have enough room. More people are bound to move to Maricopa and the Casa Grande area.

It is a no brainer that the city will grow. However, there will be growing pains as we have seen with the housing market. But be positive, look at the big picture and look down the road 5 to 10 years. Look how far we are now. In 5 years we will have a lot more good stuff. Speaking realistically, the only negative will be the one way in and out of the town. However, I think as more people move in here it will create more pressure to find a solutions.

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JasonYUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 1:16 PM Alert 
Posted By Cactus Rob on 05/23/2008 9:12 AM

Unless we can talk the environmentalists into releasing their strangle hold our entire country, as we know it today, is history.  We are just beginning to witness some of the effects these extremists have perpetrated on us.  

We must never forget that extremism is a form of insanity.  Those that practice it should be shunned, not honored.

Just my 2 cents worth!  

Huh?  What does this have to do with the growth of Maricopa?  The Southern Baptist Convention and Big Oil have a strangle hold on this country if anything.


"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 3:14 PM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 05/23/2008 1:16 PM
Posted By Cactus Rob on 05/23/2008 9:12 AM

Unless we can talk the environmentalists into releasing their strangle hold our entire country, as we know it today, is history.  We are just beginning to witness some of the effects these extremists have perpetrated on us.  

We must never forget that extremism is a form of insanity.  Those that practice it should be shunned, not honored.

Just my 2 cents worth!  

Huh?  What does this have to do with the growth of Maricopa?  The Southern Baptist Convention and Big Oil have a strangle hold on this country if anything.

JasonY.

Higher fuel prices have everything to do with the economy of Maricopa, Arizona and our country as a whole.  How can you not  think so?

Big Oil (stockholder owned) netted about 8% profit last year.  Outside of a few highly paid big wigs, not many others made any real money and none of big oil's stocks are on anyones "buy" list that I know of.  

The high fuel prices are caused by shortages, the result of our being unable to break the grip of environmentalists determined to prevent drilling in ANWR and the resumption of off-shore drilling regardless of the effect it has on our economy.  Now that's extreme, don't you think?          

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05/23/2008 3:17 PM Alert 
There are lot's of Mormons in Maricopa and they love to have kids. So yes, Maricopa will grow.
JasonYUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 3:22 PM Alert 

Cactus Rob,

I agree there is a shortage of oil, it is pretty much a non-renewable resource. Some say the world will be out of oil by around 2025. This country should be focused on alternate sources of energy, not drilling for more oil. The oil gets more expensive because as oil fields dry up, expensive new ones have to be setup. And the deeper you have to drill for oil, the more expensive it is with the equipment. Drilling in ANWR is only putting a little bandaid on a huge problem.

Maricopa's growth is slowed by lack of numerous adequate roads in and out of town, high retail rent, long lag time in receiving building permits, minimal existing infrastructure, etc etc.


"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 4:25 PM Alert 

JasonY,

I agree we should be focused on alternative sources, but the fact is, we aren't. 

Realistically, replacing fossil fuels with an alternative energy source is a huge undertaking.  If it is even possible, and I'm not convinced it is, it will take many, many years and trillions of dollars to make it happen.  

The environmentalists in Congress have got to start living in the real world .  The Saudis recently sent President Bush packing when he ask them to pump more of their oil so we wouldn't have to.  I don't blame them.  We should use our own oil.  We have 20 billion barrels under public lands alone.      

I guess we'll just agree to disagee about whether $6 to $10 per gallon gasoline will affect Maricopa's growth. 

spl002User is Offline

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05/23/2008 5:49 PM Alert 
Cactus Bob and Jason Y

The oil and gas issue is a serious concern. But on the positive side it looks like over the past several weeks some of the main car companies have anounced producing electric cars within the next several years. For example, Nissan says they will have electric cars in production and on sale in the US by 2010. Many other companies (including Honda and Toyota) will increase their production of hybrids and the hybrids will be better. There are going to be making plug in hybrids where the battery will work for 40-50 miles then the gas will kick in. I think there are some positive changes in the industry. It just took high gas prices to get the public to change their mind and demand more fuel efficient cars.

I think there is a positive side to high gas prices, and that is change. The car companies see opportunity and money from offering different cars.

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spl002User is Offline

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05/23/2008 5:51 PM Alert 
Bye the way, do a google search or check the honda, toyota and Nissan website. These new cars will not be weird looking either. They won't be the electric weird looking cars of the past. They will look like normal cars.

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Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 6:53 PM Alert 

spl002,

Won't alter the economic problems in the least.  Folks will have to cough up big bucks to buy these vehicles and it will take years of gas savings to recover their investment.  It just won't reduce our gasoline consumption enough to ease the shortage, at least not for many years.

Since the shortage won't be eased, they'll still be paying more for everything they buy because of the ever increasing freight costs (even the freight on their new car).  To my knowledge there aren't any plans to produce locomotives, trucks, aircraft, ships, etc. that run on alternative fuels. 

And, they'll continue to pay more and more for fuel oil, propane and natural gas to heat their homes and higher prices for electricity to cool their homes since most generating plants are fueled by natural gas.

Nope, I don't think the poor and middle class are going to like this idea very much once they experience it.  

The answer is the elimination of the shortage through massive drilling for new sources as quickly as possible.  Once we've eased the shortage, brought the oil prices down, and reduced transportation charges to acceptable levels, then we will be in a position pursue alternate fuels.   

 

spl002User is Offline

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05/24/2008 1:22 AM Alert 
Cactus Bob,

I respectfully disagree with you stating that Hybrid cars and electric cars "Won't alter the economic problems in the least". Ok, I agree with you that in the short term it won't make a huge difference until people gradually start replacing their SUVs and gas guzzling cars with hybrids and electric cars. However, over time, it will change the economics and our reliance on the middle east. Also it would change the commodities market and the oil futures if they forsee a huge shift in American consumers in us buying hybrid cars. Long term, if consumers accross the world start using alternative energy sources it would scare the OPEC nations into not sticking it to us with the gas prices.

I just don't think the future is as negative as you make it out. This will create the American Economy to react and change according to market forces.

I agree with you we should start drilling in ANWAR as soon as possible. I would rather we not import any oil at all and tell the middle eastern countries that we don't want their oil any more. It is the OPEC nations that are causing this problem and the solution in the short term is drill in the US.

HOWEVER, the long term in my opinon is relying on a different alternative energy. Anyways, I guess we kind of hijacked this thread. But it is an interesting conversation.


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Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/24/2008 8:52 AM Alert 
Posted By spl002 on 05/24/2008 1:22 AM
Cactus Bob,

I respectfully disagree with you stating that Hybrid cars and electric cars "Won't alter the economic problems in the least". Ok, I agree with you that in the short term it won't make a huge difference until people gradually start replacing their SUVs and gas guzzling cars with hybrids and electric cars. However, over time, it will change the economics and our reliance on the middle east. Also it would change the commodities market and the oil futures if they forsee a huge shift in American consumers in us buying hybrid cars. Long term, if consumers accross the world start using alternative energy sources it would scare the OPEC nations into not sticking it to us with the gas prices.

I just don't think the future is as negative as you make it out. This will create the American Economy to react and change according to market forces.

I agree with you we should start drilling in ANWAR as soon as possible. I would rather we not import any oil at all and tell the middle eastern countries that we don't want their oil any more. It is the OPEC nations that are causing this problem and the solution in the short term is drill in the US.

HOWEVER, the long term in my opinon is relying on a different alternative energy. Anyways, I guess we kind of hijacked this thread. But it is an interesting conversation.


We agree more than we disagree.  Thank you for sharing your thoughts and beliefs.   

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05/24/2008 11:15 AM Alert 
I think if anything, the astronomical cost of gas will deter people from moving here, especially because, with all the money they spend on gas, they can spend the same and buy a home closer in town. However, if they do want the beauty and a quiet, serene location, Maricopa definitely is the place to be!!

As far as a hospital, I totally agree that specialists are what we need much more and also a public transportation system to give others that cannot drive or share one car a way to get in and out of here. The city's priorities seem to be really misdirected to me.


And to clarify someone else's comment, my health status was not like this when I moved and now I am in desperate need of those specialists and due to a spinal cord injury cannot drive so that is why I am moving. I totally agree that people who have chronic health problems and need to see specialists on a regular basis or need public trans because they cannot drive should NOT move here. I run a support group for those with chronic conditions and I already advised several of them NOT to move here because they will be miserable and isolated without the healthcare they need, but to definitely consider Maricopa if and when it grows and we have more specialists, public trans, etc.

I am actually very sad to be leaving here..... not only do I NOT want to rent my house and am scared out of my mind to do so but I do like the look and feel of Maricopa and as much as I am looking forward to moving closer to where I can get what I need healthwise, not looking forward to leaving the beauty of maricopa behind.
Cactus RobUser is Offline

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05/24/2008 12:01 PM Alert 

I'm sure others here join me in wishing you the best.  And in the words of the Motel 6 commercial, "we'll leave the light on for you" should you ever find it possible to return.  

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05/26/2008 2:02 PM Alert 
I think Maricopa so much to offer, maybe not RIGHT now, but soon and within the next few years it will be so different. I'm willing to stick it out. I remember coming here a few years a go there was just CVS. My sister literally said turn left at the CVS, I told her I will need better directions. She said "No, you won't!

Think of how great it will be in another 3 years! The housing market is not tanking, it is leveling off. My sister built her house two years ago for $175 and thought she could sell it for $350. ON WHAT PLANET! She seems really disappointed that she only has a house worth $175. So many people came out here thinking they will flip or strike it rich by investing and it bite them in the ass. We only have the builders and bankers to blame for that, not the townsfolk of Maricopa.

I'm sorry some people hate here, I love it. People up in Chandler think it takes 45 minutes to get to the 10 or say "You live all the way in Maricopa" like the commute is sooooooooo long. I have double the house for half the price and it's brand new with a pool! They can keep there 10 year old 1900 sq ft house for $350 that needs 20 grand in upgrades, no thanks!
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05/29/2008 9:33 PM Alert 

I think the fact that word is out on dateline saying that our home prices are low is really going to help Maricopa to grow its a great time to invest in a home here and people are seeing that and we are starting to have home sales again.  Keep your chins up with the Wal-mart and shops on Porter Rd. things are sure to improve.

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05/29/2008 11:02 PM Alert 

If you are ill you had better plan on moving. Maricopa is not going to grow much for a few years with the economy as it is. I doubt your illness will wait. I would hate to need to get to a hospital or doctor and get stuck on 347. And when the town starts growing again 347 will just get worse. I'm sorry you are ill.

 


They put up a bunch of ugly boxes and JESUS people bought em!
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06/13/2008 5:04 PM Alert 
I have health problems knew going into the house here in 04 that hospital will be long time off, no biggie I took the house for retirement and have no plans on leaving. Gas prices are what they are no reason to complain about them. We cut back on some driving and slowed down abit, this helped things out. No matter what happens it is what it is. Things will pick up not really concerned as we are not going anywhere. I even would have preferred to keep it small like it was in 04.
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