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60milecommute
Posts:37

 | | 02/11/2008 6:54 AM |
Alert | | tds2277, I challenge you to find me a retail store that exculsivly sells only US made products!! Until that happens, i'm still shopping at Wallmart, target etc. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 02/12/2008 11:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By NY2Copa on 02/10/2008 5:40 PM
Wal Mart is great and I WILL shop there ... cannot wait. I read the article and sadly, it's all true .... but I still maintain this will turn around. Real estate is cyclical and the one constant one can depend on it that this situation will change. That having been said ... I WISH I would have known to sell high and rent then buy low. ....... I know now and would not get caught up in that again, but nevertheless, I love my house and Maricopa and will only love it more ... eventually ... when this inevitably turns around, businesses and employment are here and my house is back to being worth what I paid for it or more (knock wood). There are several reasons why I love your post. First of all, you are very wise...this downturns, like every downturn before it, WILL turn around. We have had Depressions in the past that have made things like this look like a mere speedbump, and the country picked itself up, dusted itself off, took stock of what it had learned, and survived. Which brings me to the second reaon I love your post...because you've learned from experience. All of us are going through this together. Some of us saw it coming, some didn't. But we're all here now, and we can all look around us and say "Jeez, I'll know better the next time I see the warning signs." It's the old adage again, "that which does not destroy you only makes you stronger." We'll live through this and gain knowledge that will help us out down the road. Nobody can predict the future, and trying to beat the market with the perfect "buy low-sell high" mentality can almost never be played to perfection. You may be able to pull it off in the short term, and you may be able to squeeze out some profit, but few people ever get the timing down perfectly. So it really isn't worth beating yourself up about at all. Maricopa has a unique set of problems, but it is by no means the worst place to be or an impending ghost town. As someone else said, anyone who has taken a journey out to Johnson Ranch or the fringes of humanity in Buckeye can attest to that. Sure, 347 is a parking lot sometimes. But being 35 freeway miles to downtown Phoenix beats dealing with 60 miles of mostly street driving, which is what our friends in Johnson Ranch bet their livelihoods on. Even when the newspapers infer otherwise, there are far worse places to be than good ol' Maricopa, AZ.  | | | |
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Posts:106


 | | 02/13/2008 12:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By Red95King on 02/09/2008 9:55 PM
Oh, and McDonalds doesn't come in without a population of 100k to support it.
100k? Where did this figure come from? I have seen hundreds of McDonalds in towns that have less than 10,000 people in them. Many of them are near a major travel route, but I can think of dozens that are not, as well. In fact, I would venture to say that Maricopa is among the largest towns/cities in the US that doesn't have a McDonalds.
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3015


 | | 02/13/2008 12:58 PM |
Alert | Well.. it sounds like the truth to me. We have two across the street and 3 empties to the north of us and 4 to the west of us...
That's 9 houses that are not occupied or that have signs in front of them.
No matter how you slice the bead...It's still bread! | | Vote Carl and Marvin for City Council!. Haddad and Dunn is why the City is catching "The Buss" ______________________________________ I guess there's always NEXT season! Go NYG! *************************************** San Diego Super Chargers! GO!!! Joined old forum March 2006 Post count: 3068 + these | |
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| | NY2Copa
Posts:65


 | | 02/13/2008 2:27 PM |
Alert | | GilaGuy .... thanks ... I agree with you as well ... And you have a really good point about getting the timing right. In a year or two, when values rise .. inevitably, so will mortgage interest rates .... so even refinancing will be tricky. It's quite a ride to be on right now .. watching, waiting ... and as you said so well ... learning from all this and doing it all better next go-round. | | | |
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| | Colgate
Posts:573


 | | 02/13/2008 10:17 PM |
Alert | | Good for you Nate!!! I appreciate the letter on your behalf!! | | Live every day as if it were your last and smile! | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3303


 | | 02/14/2008 12:28 AM |
Alert | Posted By Sinbad on 02/13/2008 12:58 PM
Well.. it sounds like the truth to me. We have two across the street and 3 empties to the north of us and 4 to the west of us...
That's 9 houses that are not occupied or that have signs in front of them.
No matter how you slice the bead...It's still bread!
Well, it depends on the sample of bread you take. We're not even in the Top 100 for foreclosures:
http://money.cnn.com/real_estate/zip_code_foreclosures/ Phoenix is, but they went and led in with Maricopa on the article. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:179


 | | 02/14/2008 9:38 AM |
Alert | | The real estate market will eventually turn around, but with Maricopa having foreclosures listing 218 homes in actual foreclosure, an additional 96 homes listed for auction and another 10 homes being sold due to bankruptcy, that is a lot of homes compared to the size of our community. Other communities may have more total foreclosures, but we have a high amount per capita, which of course impacts us all. | | | |
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| | NY2Copa
Posts:65


 | | 02/14/2008 5:50 PM |
Alert | | gilbertcln ... I bet a big reason for all the forlosures per capita has to do with all the investors who came and lost their shirts ... some buying up 3 and 4 and even more houses back two and three years ago. It's a bust for them and us. BUT the bright light I can see in this, is that people will come and absorb those forclosures ... and then we'll get back to even ... I only hope and pray that families buy those homes ... not more town-ruining investors. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 02/14/2008 11:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By NY2Copa on 02/14/2008 5:50 PM
gilbertcln ... I bet a big reason for all the forlosures per capita has to do with all the investors who came and lost their shirts ... some buying up 3 and 4 and even more houses back two and three years ago. It's a bust for them and us. BUT the bright light I can see in this, is that people will come and absorb those forclosures ... and then we'll get back to even ... I only hope and pray that families buy those homes ... not more town-ruining investors. More wisdom here. Anecdotally, it does seem that many of the homes that sit empty were either never occupied to begin with, or were owned by investors who had temporary occupants that never desired to be a long-term part of the community anyway. Either way, my opinion is that it is not a big loss. I've said elsewhere that I really don't have much sympathy for those whose greed caused them to snap up six houses more than they needed...thereby pricing out some decent, hard-working families that could have used them. Either way, things have changed now, so those hard-working families are beginning to be able to buy in at prices comparable to what they could have had four years ago. Funny how things work out when the market corrects itself.  | | | |
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| | IrishCream
Posts:275


 | | 02/15/2008 7:45 AM |
Alert | I have never lived in a community that was so active in it's own growth and direction! I lived in many "small towns" in PA on the East coast and this is the only time that I have felt welcomed and safe for the most part. This is a great town/city and those who think it isn't, either get off your butt and make a difference without all the whining, or move somewhere else. I love Maricopa and yes, it has not gone in the direction that most had hoped, at least not as fast as many of those have hoped, but it is getting there. It will take active involvement and action on our part to truly see Maricoipa become all that it can be.
This is the first and only place I have lived in this state and I have to say, I don't think I would live anywhere else in AZ. I can travel to the more majestic landscapes of this beautiful state, I can drive into the city to get the things that I can't find here. But, what I can't find there (in the city and the more majestic places) is the feeling of "home" that I have here in my community.
The people who work at Fry's and Blockbuster and Subway and the Library and CircleK, know who I am and recognize me when I walk in the door. This is something that you really can't find in many places, at least not without living there for a while and visiting their establishments for awhile. This is a strong community and aside from all the "whaaa burgers and french criers" I see, we have a wonderful thing going.
The market may be upside down, but we have seen growth in recent months. The naysayers will attribute this to an influx from wild fire victims in CA, but I have talked to people from other countries who are looking to move into our neighborhoods within the year. We have friends from other parts of the valley that are looking to relocate to MAricopa as soon as the market turns around. Yes, people from Phoenix, Queen Creek and even Tucson want a slice of the Maricopa pie! Maricopa is where it's at if you want to be in a place that works it's way from the ground up!
Stop complaining and move if it is that bad for you! Seriously, if you're so fearful of a foreclosure or financial ruin, then just let it happen, relocate and start again. Learn from your own mistakes and stop making it someone else's fault. Own up to personal responsibility and take action to make your life what you want it to be. If Maricopa is not what you want it to be, either take action or move on. We don't want or need your negative energy here.
As for me and my house, we love Maricopa and will probably never move anywhere else in the state. We may be new to Maricopa, but we are decidely residents for life! We are a part of the pioneering west. Do you really think that places like Phoenix and Tucson became what they are by having a bunch of cry-baby residents? NO! They fought tooth and nail to make these places what they have become. I do not wish to see Maricopa become another Chandler, Mesa, Queen Creek (God forbid), I want Maricopa to stand out from the rest and I truly believe that there are enough other people like me who will also fight to us become the "town of the future". A place where you feel at home as soon as you pull up in your U-haul. | | “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
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| | jeeptj02
Posts:79

 | | 02/15/2008 11:40 AM |
Alert | | wow someone took a exctasy pill this morning! guess you havent lived in to many nice towns to see that this ones going to the birds quick. No structure for the city,vacant lots overgrown with weeds and trash, surronded by indian res. one way in one way out. (unless you want to go the really long way) double the trains with in the year and no overpass or quiet zoneing that i know of. traffic lights every 20 feet. no scenery to look at other then trash and old crappy buildings and maybe a few drunken illegalls hanging out in the street by there bar. Yeah great.....town to live in! why did i move here you ask? well i had high hopes and i work in casa grande and there a even bigger dump then this place so i refuse to live there plus yes i brought a massive house that i have no use for dirt cheap luckly i kept my condo in cave creek which is were i go when im not working so i guess i do live here but i dont. Ok im done complaing lol | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3303


 | | 02/15/2008 1:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By jeeptj02 on 02/15/2008 11:40 AM No structure for the city,
False.vacant lots overgrown with weeds and trash,
Every community has this.surronded by indian res.
So?
one way in one way out. (unless you want to go the really long way)
Similar to Ahwatukee.double the trains with in the year and no overpass or quiet zoneing that i know of.
Apparently the trains will be going at full speed, so that minimizes the impact of this. And, we're not the first town to have a rail line through one of its main access roads.traffic lights every 20 feet.
Downtown Tempe anyone?
no scenery to look at other then trash and old crappy buildings and maybe a few drunken illegalls hanging out in the street by there bar.
You have selective vision. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | CliffinAZ
Posts:394

 | | 02/15/2008 2:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 02/14/2008 12:28 AM Posted By Sinbad on 02/13/2008 12:58 PM
Well.. it sounds like the truth to me. We have two across the street and 3 empties to the north of us and 4 to the west of us...
That's 9 houses that are not occupied or that have signs in front of them.
No matter how you slice the bead...It's still bread!
Well, it depends on the sample of bread you take. We're not even in the Top 100 for foreclosures:
http://money.cnn.com/real_estate/zip_code_foreclosures/ Phoenix is, but they went and led in with Maricopa on the article.
Gilbertglcn has a good point. It would be interesting to see what the percentages of foreclosed houses are in the various cities as opposed to the straight number. Of course the raw number of foreclosures in Phoenix will be greater than here--because there's such a higher population/so many more houses in Phoenix to begin with; but I great the percentage of foreclosures is out of the total number of houses is much, much higher here.
But I tend to agree that this isn't necessarily the sign of a 'dying town' given that a lot of those houses were bought by speculative investors in the first place. We just need people to fill 'em up once the market starts to switch direction again.
I have a bigger concern about the city allowing out-of-control new building before all of the vacant homes we have are filled. I think that we need more new builds like we need a hole in the head at this point. | | | |
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| | NY2Copa
Posts:65


 | | 02/17/2008 8:29 AM |
Alert | | CliffinAZ .... excellent point about the city allowing all the new builds with the plethera of existing homes that need to be filled. I wonder if we have any say on that? I know that even the builders have brand new spec homes that are just sitting empty. I'm all for a STOP on all new home builds until the percentage of homes for sale or forclosure is down to a normal level for a town of our size and poplation. Absorption should be the name of the game right now. Absorption of the current home inventory (both new and resale) BEFORE creating new empty inventory. The builders need to go back to a mindset of supply and demand. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 02/17/2008 7:13 PM |
Alert | Posted By NY2Copa on 02/17/2008 8:29 AM
CliffinAZ .... excellent point about the city allowing all the new builds with the plethera of existing homes that need to be filled. I wonder if we have any say on that? Our say would be limited to asking our City Council to stop authorizing residential growth until the existing homes have been snapped up...which they are not likely to do. Why? Because it is a money grab for them. We often hear and read about "projected income" being used to justify expensive purchases or expenditures. We saw that when the Police Department was created, we saw it when the Fire Department wanted to build four brand-new stations, and we are seeing it now with the annexation debate. The projections are based on certain amounts of growth, and are based on their being a certain number of new residential developments built in town. Even though we have more available homes than the market can support right now, the City is disinclined to turn away more residential development because that would result in a decrease in the City's income. This is why you've seen some fiscal conservatives beg the City to go easy on spending (i.e. quit wasting money by paving temporary parking lots, etc) until this has all settled itself out. Because being reliant on streams of income that stem from new residential development is extremely counterproductive in a town where the oversupply of residential dwellings is posing such a problem already. | | | |
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| | JMR9999
Posts:18


 | | 02/20/2008 8:23 AM |
Alert | OK, number 38 in the CNN article is Woodbridge, VA which is in the DC suburbs, about 17-20 miles from DC. You have to travel on I-95 to get there -- that's about 1 to 1 1/2 hour commute each way. And no mountains, no mild winters, etc. . . but of course, a Walmart. ; - ) | | | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:179


 | | 02/20/2008 9:03 AM |
Alert | Gilaguy - I am not sure where you are getting your information on the Fire Department. Although there are four fire stations, only two of them are actual buildings, and none were acquired when the department was in the City. Only station 571 was completed while a city department, but it was paid for by County bond funds, funded when the department was the Fire District. The other two stations are mobile buildings, donated by the developers or home builder company, on land that was temporarily provided to the Maricopa Fire District, when it was a county entity. The two stations were built from bond funding that will be paid off over the next 20 years. Although growth projections were used for the bonding issuance, the projections were form 2005, and did not go overboard in terms of over estimating the growth in the area. As for the Police Department, they are not over staffed, nor overbuilt for the current population. There are no permanent Police Stations as of yet, so I am not sure why you bring this into the comments, as our community is large enough, even now, to need the police and fire departments. | | | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:313

 | | 02/20/2008 9:29 AM |
Alert | I enjoy Maricopa. The city is awesome. The people are awesome. Sure, the city has its challenges. What city doesn't? That is a part of life. One of the things I like is seeing people I know wherever I go(similar to Irishcream's experiences.) I don't only mean the employees of establishments,but the patrons,too.
I go to Fry's(I used to work there) and I see kids I used to coach soccer,friends from flag football(one who is a manager of a local bank), the local newspaper editor,a softball teammate that runs a local insurances company. I went to the local bookstore and I saw a former coworker of Fry's. The list goes on and on.
For he first time last night, I my daughter and I went for a jog.On the surface it isn't a big deal,it was quiet and calm. It was such an awesome feeling doing what I had envisioned for my family 3 years ago; living the life I wanted to for us. Everytime I pass the VRed's communty center/park, I remember our first visit to Maricopa when we decided to move here. My youngest wasn't born,yet. But, we could see him playing in the tot lot park. He's 3 now and he loves going to the park and playing in the sand with his older brother.
BTW, my daughter wants us to jog almost every night.We'll see how that goes.lol | | You may remember this from the original 85239:
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 02/21/2008 11:23 PM |
Alert | Posted By gilbertglcn on 02/20/2008 9:03 AM
Gilaguy - I am not sure where you are getting your information on the Fire Department. Although there are four fire stations, only two of them are actual buildings, and none were acquired when the department was in the City. Only station 571 was completed while a city department, but it was paid for by County bond funds, funded when the department was the Fire District. The other two stations are mobile buildings, donated by the developers or home builder company, on land that was temporarily provided to the Maricopa Fire District, when it was a county entity. The two stations were built from bond funding that will be paid off over the next 20 years. Although growth projections were used for the bonding issuance, the projections were form 2005, and did not go overboard in terms of over estimating the growth in the area.
As for the Police Department, they are not over staffed, nor overbuilt for the current population. There are no permanent Police Stations as of yet, so I am not sure why you bring this into the comments, as our community is large enough, even now, to need the police and fire departments. Thank you for your input. Read closely though, I think you missed my point. My point was that a lot of building has been going on or has been planned, and this comes at expense. Bonds are merely tax hikes that are voted on by the people...the money doesn't come out of thin air, it comes from the pockets of those who live here. And when projections are used (as you mentioned), they are almost universally done through rose-colored glasses that tend not to mention the economic probability of a serious downturn. Which, of course, is what actual economists were predicting as long ago as 2004. There are four fire stations, two of which are now brick-and-mortar, and two that will be. The point of bringing that up, as well as bringing up the issue of there now being a municipal PD as opposed to a contract with the County Sheriffs is that this is another large cost that has been placed upon the taxpayers here. When growth is going as it was projected when all of this was created (do you remember the "100,000 by 2010" remarks at council meetings? I do.) it isn't a problem. When growth hits a negative (which I do not believe it has) or stalls (which it most certainly has), then the burden to taxpayers is far higher than it would have been otherwise. And that is what I am getting at. The fiscal conservatives' position is always "take it easy" when it comes to spending. If you'd like to do a Comparitive Class study on cities with our actual population (not the speculative 37,000, it would have to be an accurate count) and count their fire and police manpower that could probably be done...but that's a bit beyond the point. The crux of the matter is that basing your spending on projected income is problematic at best, and foolhardy at worst. | | | |
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